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Not looking good for Tyrone

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Well it is not half time and Kerry have scored 5 goals already. Tyrone are at sixes and sevens. It was a tough ask for Tyrone to go all the way down to Killarney. And Kerry are moving the ball well. Can Tyrone score a few goals and make a match of it. Not looking good.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2265 - 12/06/2021 17:48:22    2349860

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Can any Tyrone people answer where Cathal McShane is? He was a footballer of the year candidate when last seen in 2019. I know he was injured last year, is he still injured? Is it the same injury or a different one? Find it strange that such an important player hasn't been on the match day panel for any of the games and not a word about it really

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1036 - 12/06/2021 18:20:20    2349877

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Ah, Kerry were lucky enough with a few of those goals and a soft aul penalty. A hit and hope ends up in the net.
It'll be tough in Munster again this year for them.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/06/2021 18:44:54    2349887

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I only watched the last quarter. Nice training match. Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? Not sure I saw a single tackle in that quarter. Tyrone are exactly as they were a couple of games ago - they don't even have a bad defence - they have no defence. I've seen better organised club defences in the 1970s. All you need do to score v Tyrone is run up the field and get into a scoring position, you'll have plenty of space and not a glove will be laid on you : )

I'm sure the Kerry goals were very well taken, but if you're leaking 5 goals in one half, the defence has to accept at least 50% responsibility.

Hopefully we'll get our defence sorted out for 2022.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1050 - 12/06/2021 18:54:14    2349893

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Replying To catch22:  "Ah, Kerry were lucky enough with a few of those goals and a soft aul penalty. A hit and hope ends up in the net.
It'll be tough in Munster again this year for them."
Heh heh

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1050 - 12/06/2021 19:12:39    2349900

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This begs the question, how good are Tipp??

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 916 - 12/06/2021 23:56:37    2350040

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Replying To essmac:  "I only watched the last quarter. Nice training match. Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? Not sure I saw a single tackle in that quarter. Tyrone are exactly as they were a couple of games ago - they don't even have a bad defence - they have no defence. I've seen better organised club defences in the 1970s. All you need do to score v Tyrone is run up the field and get into a scoring position, you'll have plenty of space and not a glove will be laid on you : )

I'm sure the Kerry goals were very well taken, but if you're leaking 5 goals in one half, the defence has to accept at least 50% responsibility.

Hopefully we'll get our defence sorted out for 2022."
If you could mark your men and stop the goalie acting the maggot - they'd keep it to 3 goals anyway

Morgan is still playing as if Tyrone had a double sweeper.
When you play man on man you need a shot stopper playing in goal not a lad who wants to play centre back

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 869 - 14/06/2021 21:06:45    2350957

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "If you could mark your men and stop the goalie acting the maggot - they'd keep it to 3 goals anyway

Morgan is still playing as if Tyrone had a double sweeper.
When you play man on man you need a shot stopper playing in goal not a lad who wants to play centre back"
I see some soccer player from the Czech Republic lobbed the Scottish goalkeeper today from about 40 yards and folks are calling it the goal of the tournament, Gavin White lobbs Morgan from 45 yards and jimbo says its a hit in hope :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13486 - 14/06/2021 21:45:56    2350972

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A team still living on past glories of playing muck ball. Man on man, they'd be eaten alive.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 14/06/2021 22:18:22    2350989

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I see some soccer player from the Czech Republic lobbed the Scottish goalkeeper today from about 40 yards and folks are calling it the goal of the tournament, Gavin White lobbs Morgan from 45 yards and jimbo says its a hit in hope :-)"
Gavin White s goal was pure magic. I doubt very much we will see a better goal scored this year. Not many would even have the balls to try from such a distance not to mind the perfect execution.Brilliant!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 14/06/2021 23:24:57    2351008

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Replying To essmac:  "I only watched the last quarter. Nice training match. Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? Not sure I saw a single tackle in that quarter. Tyrone are exactly as they were a couple of games ago - they don't even have a bad defence - they have no defence. I've seen better organised club defences in the 1970s. All you need do to score v Tyrone is run up the field and get into a scoring position, you'll have plenty of space and not a glove will be laid on you : )

I'm sure the Kerry goals were very well taken, but if you're leaking 5 goals in one half, the defence has to accept at least 50% responsibility.

Hopefully we'll get our defence sorted out for 2022."
You've hit the nail on the head there. If a player is touched it's a free and if not it's a free for over carrying. Watched Clare v Mayo and similar stuff. Lots of goal chances and tackling not allowed.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 576 - 15/06/2021 09:11:01    2351043

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Replying To essmac:  "I only watched the last quarter. Nice training match. Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? Not sure I saw a single tackle in that quarter. Tyrone are exactly as they were a couple of games ago - they don't even have a bad defence - they have no defence. I've seen better organised club defences in the 1970s. All you need do to score v Tyrone is run up the field and get into a scoring position, you'll have plenty of space and not a glove will be laid on you : )

I'm sure the Kerry goals were very well taken, but if you're leaking 5 goals in one half, the defence has to accept at least 50% responsibility.

Hopefully we'll get our defence sorted out for 2022."
In answer to your question - Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? The answer is no one tackles and a defender is penalised most of the time. There's always been issues with tackling in gaelic football as the tackle is not (and never has been) defined. I can't find a clear definition of what constitutes a tackle in gaelic football; probably the same in hurling. Add in the various cards that you can be given and the result is, there is no tackling in gaelic football. A significant amount of the time, if a defender tackles an opposing player, the referee will award a free against the defender. It is very easy to get a yellow card in the modern game which means that you effectively have to restrict how you defend for the rest of the game, for fear that you will get a second yellow which results in a red. Tyrone didn't seem to have a game plan on Saturday. I know it is early days but Mickey Harte playing a defensive game may have been justified if this is the way that Tyrone are going to defend in future.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1396 - 15/06/2021 10:45:25    2351072

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A good defender can dispossess a forward cleanly if he waits until the attacker hops or soloes the ball, but when a good forward with pace is allowed to take six, seven or even more steps it's almost impossible to make a clean tackle. Strict enforcement of the four-step rule is the only way to give defenders a fair chance...........but then we'd have the "expert" analysts complaining about the ref not letting the game flow!

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 310 - 15/06/2021 11:04:05    2351082

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "In answer to your question - Does anyone tackle nowadays, or has it become illegal? The answer is no one tackles and a defender is penalised most of the time. There's always been issues with tackling in gaelic football as the tackle is not (and never has been) defined. I can't find a clear definition of what constitutes a tackle in gaelic football; probably the same in hurling. Add in the various cards that you can be given and the result is, there is no tackling in gaelic football. A significant amount of the time, if a defender tackles an opposing player, the referee will award a free against the defender. It is very easy to get a yellow card in the modern game which means that you effectively have to restrict how you defend for the rest of the game, for fear that you will get a second yellow which results in a red. Tyrone didn't seem to have a game plan on Saturday. I know it is early days but Mickey Harte playing a defensive game may have been justified if this is the way that Tyrone are going to defend in future."
The tackle is a frustrating aspect in playing Gaelic football personally I think the ball should be fair game as long as you're playing the ball and not the man I think the tackler shouldn't be penalised.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1035 - 15/06/2021 11:21:25    2351088

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Replying To midlands:  "A good defender can dispossess a forward cleanly if he waits until the attacker hops or soloes the ball, but when a good forward with pace is allowed to take six, seven or even more steps it's almost impossible to make a clean tackle. Strict enforcement of the four-step rule is the only way to give defenders a fair chance...........but then we'd have the "expert" analysts complaining about the ref not letting the game flow!"
If a player goes to ground carrying the ball and is surrounded, most commentators want to award them a free.
(Martin McHugh was at this again covering Galway Monaghan on Sunday).

So lets see. Player falls over due to a fair shoulder or tripping themselves up. Doesn't manage to get back up in time. Defenders converge without fouling due to good positional awareness. Result? Free to the lad who fell over. Ridiculous.

Players who go to ground in possession should have to immediately release or play the ball, otherwise free against them.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 845 - 15/06/2021 12:07:27    2351100

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Gavin White s goal was pure magic. I doubt very much we will see a better goal scored this year. Not many would even have the balls to try from such a distance not to mind the perfect execution.Brilliant!"
Not many would have the vision and awareness, great goal.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 835 - 15/06/2021 16:13:03    2351178

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "If a player goes to ground carrying the ball and is surrounded, most commentators want to award them a free.
(Martin McHugh was at this again covering Galway Monaghan on Sunday).

So lets see. Player falls over due to a fair shoulder or tripping themselves up. Doesn't manage to get back up in time. Defenders converge without fouling due to good positional awareness. Result? Free to the lad who fell over. Ridiculous.

Players who go to ground in possession should have to immediately release or play the ball, otherwise free against them."
I fully agree. Rugby changed the rules to make for a more free flowing game. Once upon a time, a guy could lie on
the ball all day long. Now if a player goes to ground, it is release or be penalized.

Give the player in possession the required time (4 seconds at the very most, as most likely the player will already have had possession for a bit) to play the ball or release it. If neither occurs, and the ball is held onto, give a free to the opposition.

It is not a difficult concept to introduce, and if it's announced loudly and clearly, it should not be difficult to enforce.

I really dislike it when players who are caught in possession in such situations, lament and remonstrate with a referee for whistling against them. You cannot hold onto the ball in a standing position for more than 4 seconds. Why should it be any different from a lying position? It is high time for players to realize that they cannot expect such easy, soft frees.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 672 - 15/06/2021 16:38:39    2351192

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not many would have the vision and awareness, great goal."
Thanks Saynoyhing. That's very sporting of you.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 15/06/2021 17:01:22    2351200

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Gavin White s goal was pure magic. I doubt very much we will see a better goal scored this year. Not many would even have the balls to try from such a distance not to mind the perfect execution.Brilliant!"
It's off the cuff football mick, I doubt that was planned by the management team before hand, I doubt they said Morgan likes to come off his line so if anyone gets the ball 45 meters out have a cut off it.

Kerry players are trusted and allowed to try the sublime and its pure magic to watch and football should be a bit more magic and less about numbers and figures on a computer screen/ less robotic.

I seen a Galway lad had a cut off a lobb as well against Monaghan but hit the cross bar but that kind of off the cuff football would be encouraged in Galway as well.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13486 - 15/06/2021 17:02:07    2351201

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It's off the cuff football mick, I doubt that was planned by the management team before hand, I doubt they said Morgan likes to come off his line so if anyone gets the ball 45 meters out have a cut off it.

Kerry players are trusted and allowed to try the sublime and its pure magic to watch and football should be a bit more magic and less about numbers and figures on a computer screen/ less robotic.

I seen a Galway lad had a cut off a lobb as well against Monaghan but hit the cross bar but that kind of off the cuff football would be encouraged in Galway as well."
Oh look of course its spur of the moment stuff and more often than not it does nt come off. In fairness Niall Scully tried one too v Donegal albeit closer in but it did nt come off either.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 15/06/2021 17:55:19    2351220

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