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Replying To bloodyban: "I think I agree with almost all you say. However to equate 'taking the knee' is a fly by night phenomenon. Wearing a poppy to commemorate men who fought for freedom.. its a stretch even for an Ulster poster to put the 2 of them together." The poppy is commemorating a lot more than the couple of times British soldiers were fighting for freedom. Ethnic superiority and greed were far bigger factors in the death of so many brain washed youngsters in Britain who thought they were doing the right thing by signing up through the years.
The annual hysteria and pressure on athletes/TV personalities to pin a poppy to their chest is dangerous. Regardless of an individuals background or feelings towards an imperialist force they are expected to wear one or face a media backlash which filters into society and threatens the safety of anyone who wants to have their own opinion. Hardly a fitting tribute to anyone who did fight for freedom is it?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 12/06/2021 12:58:22
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Being against racism is populist? How is it none of our business when players have experienced racism on our GAA pitches? Honestly, if that's how you feel with a gesture, it says more about you than anything else. Away with you so if you want to leave a sport due to something like that, I'd rather you not be associated with the sport" Nonsense, it's getting like the ice bucket challenge, trends fade after a while. People taking the knee looking around to see who watching with their look at me heads on them.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 12/06/2021 13:23:09
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Replying To bloodyban: "I think I agree with almost all you say. However to equate 'taking the knee' is a fly by night phenomenon. Wearing a poppy to commemorate men who fought for freedom.. its a stretch even for an Ulster poster to put the 2 of them together." With respect, there were 6 million Africans taken in chains to America. And it is reckoned another half million died en route. Under British colonial rule. And famine and penal laws against Irish speaking Gaels in Ireland under self same British crown rule. You can forget that down in Limerick but thankfully the Gaels of Galway do not. Is mise le meas.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 12/06/2021 13:24:47
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Replying To HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 12/06/2021 13:29:53
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Replying To SaffronDon: "The poppy is commemorating a lot more than the couple of times British soldiers were fighting for freedom. Ethnic superiority and greed were far bigger factors in the death of so many brain washed youngsters in Britain who thought they were doing the right thing by signing up through the years.
The annual hysteria and pressure on athletes/TV personalities to pin a poppy to their chest is dangerous. Regardless of an individuals background or feelings towards an imperialist force they are expected to wear one or face a media backlash which filters into society and threatens the safety of anyone who wants to have their own opinion. Hardly a fitting tribute to anyone who did fight for freedom is it?" Yes, let's defend ourselves against Nazi Germany because we are ethically superior and greedy and not because we want to defend our country and it's people, and by consequence Ireland and Irish people as well !
Any schools up there at all ?
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Replying To SaffronDon: "The poppy is commemorating a lot more than the couple of times British soldiers were fighting for freedom. Ethnic superiority and greed were far bigger factors in the death of so many brain washed youngsters in Britain who thought they were doing the right thing by signing up through the years.
The annual hysteria and pressure on athletes/TV personalities to pin a poppy to their chest is dangerous. Regardless of an individuals background or feelings towards an imperialist force they are expected to wear one or face a media backlash which filters into society and threatens the safety of anyone who wants to have their own opinion. Hardly a fitting tribute to anyone who did fight for freedom is it?" Excellent post.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 12/06/2021 13:47:36
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Replying To greatpoint: "Do you have any evidence at all that as you say, the same message is being given to African-Americans today?" What more evidence do you need. Killing them. Ruining inter state highways through their communities. Suppressing their vote, poverty etc. Take off the blindfold and show some empathy towards a people who are suffering or are we Irish too high and mighty in our recently achieved liberty and freedom.
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Yes, let's defend ourselves against Nazi Germany because we are ethically superior and greedy and not because we want to defend our country and it's people, and by consequence Ireland and Irish people as well !
Any schools up there at all ?" Go have another read of what I posted before bringing up education there Walter. Take your time.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 12/06/2021 13:59:42
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Replying To galwayford: " Replying To HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA.
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I have a few issues with BLM movement.
Firstly I think the police in America have been portrayed incorrectly by this movement. Policing in America is a terribly dangerous job, very different to here due to the crazy gun ownership laws and gun ownership rate. For many reasons, probably a lot of it down to poverty levels, the amount of violent crime in the black community in America is much higher than in overall society. The police obviously are the ones who deal with this. Most of the time rather than racism it is the levels of violent crime in this community that is causing police to be trigger happy with black men as they are genuinely, in their own mind, fearful for their lives (by the way, before anyone says it I know it is a small minority of black men who actually commit violent crime).
Secondly the actual movement (BLM) considers itself Marxist. As people should be aware Marxism, when put into practice in the Soviet Union and other communist states was a vile horrible ideology which killed millions of people and took away their freedom.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 12/06/2021 15:21:45
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Replying To bloodyban: "I think I agree with almost all you say. However to equate 'taking the knee' is a fly by night phenomenon. Wearing a poppy to commemorate men who fought for freedom.. its a stretch even for an Ulster poster to put the 2 of them together." The poppy commemorates the men who drove their tanks into Croke park and killed 14 innocent people including kids
I'd prefer no one takes the knee and the GAA launches a proper campaign like the mental health one but actually follow it up with proper action
If players take the knee I wont be booing them though and I'll still attend games.
galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 12/06/2021 15:22:14
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Replying To HokeyPokey: " Replying To galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 12/06/2021 15:40:19
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Replying To ecad123: "Well I remember a few Galway players who took savage stick also while playing it must have been hard for their familys the abuse was terrible and these people were not in minority groups. Refs get untold abuse also so I think the current give respect get respect is the way to go, that way we include everyone and not just one section of society. I stand by my statement we are not a racist country we are very welcoming, you would swear by your post that every Irish person is racist! Which is false When on a gaa field everyone is liable to get a bit of stick it doesn't make it right but it happens to everyone." I never said that every Irish person is racist. You are just seeing what you want to see. I don't know why you refuse to accept that there any racists in Ireland. A few years ago I caught a cab in Eyre Square, Galway from a Nigerian taxi driver. After a bit of light-hearted banter about the Nigerian soccer team, I asked him straight out if he ever gets hassle from customers over the colour of his skin. He said that while most interactions are ok, he still gets racist insults hurled at him every day. Often when he is at the front of the queue, a customer will open the door to get in but when they notice the driver is black, they slam the door shut and go the next cab in line instead. This is his daily experience of living in Ireland. When I was in secondary school, there was just one black student in the whole city. Everyone knew his name because he was such a novelty. Whenever he was mentioned in any group setting, some moron would immediately start making monkey noises and others would refer to him as "Kunta Kinte".
Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 12/06/2021 16:36:23
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Replying To galwayford: " Replying To HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups.
There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent.
The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?
HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 12/06/2021 17:34:14
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Replying To HokeyPokey: " Replying To galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups.
There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent.
The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?"]Well there is a lot of money in Soccer. And also professional rugby. Hope though the GAA can attract some more non white Irish players. How many non whites are playing for Tyrone?
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 12/06/2021 17:50:27
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Replying To bdbuddah: "I have a few issues with BLM movement.
Firstly I think the police in America have been portrayed incorrectly by this movement. Policing in America is a terribly dangerous job, very different to here due to the crazy gun ownership laws and gun ownership rate. For many reasons, probably a lot of it down to poverty levels, the amount of violent crime in the black community in America is much higher than in overall society. The police obviously are the ones who deal with this. Most of the time rather than racism it is the levels of violent crime in this community that is causing police to be trigger happy with black men as they are genuinely, in their own mind, fearful for their lives (by the way, before anyone says it I know it is a small minority of black men who actually commit violent crime).
Secondly the actual movement (BLM) considers itself Marxist. As people should be aware Marxism, when put into practice in the Soviet Union and other communist states was a vile horrible ideology which killed millions of people and took away their freedom." The stats show completely different. If a black man is driving a nice car he is 75% more likely to be pulled over on some trunked up violation because he is suspected to have stolen it. The first thing black parents teach their kids when stopped keep your hands on the wheel because if you reach for any thing you may be shot. If arrested the charging and court system treats them different. Do you know there are thousands of black people in prison for having a few ounces of pot because they don't have the $100 to get out. There was a case of a woman who had spent 9 years in jail until some realized it and paid it. Prisons are privately run and they get paid per head. So fill them up. That is why U.S. has the highest prison numbers per capitol in the world. Some police in America are extremely biased towards blacks. Personally I know this while working there. A black co worker was stopped at least once a week on his way home. If he happened to work late he was almost sure to be swooped on. That is not to say there are not good police but until they deal with this they will all be painted the same. It is so convient to blame BLM and put labels on them. It a great way of pushing reality under the rug.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 12/06/2021 17:57:36
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Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups.
There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent.
The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?"]My wife teaches in a school that had a huge GAA tradition in the past. The demographic has changed completely now.. Very large population of different nationalities in the school.
They can't field a hurling or football team but have an excellent soccer team and actually have a cricket team.. The sport of choice for a lot of the students ..
There is little or no interest in the GAA whose absolute essence is in playing for where you come from. If a young fellah supports the Pakistani cricket team, the Limerick hurlers might not be able to compete with that.
It's all well and good saying that we need to be more inclusive but it's a two way thing. people from different backgrounds have to want to be involved also. If I saw a brilliant young fellah coming through for the senior hurlers with an eye for goal who happened to be African, Lebanese, Nepalese or Chinese I wouldn't care less. Most people would be the exact same.. Especially if he could score a goal or two.
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 12/06/2021 18:26:38
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Replying To galwayford: " Replying To HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups.
There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent.
The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?"]Well there is a lot of money in Soccer. And also professional rugby. Hope though the GAA can attract some more non white Irish players. How many non whites are playing for Tyrone?"]I'm talking about the GAA in general, not sure why you are bringing Tyrone specifically, I'm not sure why you are bringing that into or the other weird remarks you have made. I don't think funding comes into it. The GAA has plenty of resources and are at no disadvantage on that front at all.
Inter-county players come from grassroots and non-Irish background kids aren't choosing to play GAA it seems. You could make a case that most from a non-Irish background are concentrated in urban areas. But, I had a quick glance at the most recent panels for Hurling and Football teams in Galway, Cork and Dublin. Out of 180 players, there was only one clearly non-Irish surname and it was hurler for Dublin who had a German grandfather.
The GAA is an unbelievable organisation, but it is stark how rare it seems for anyone who isn't white, Irish and from a 'Catholic' tradition to be involved. As of 2011 census, 15% identified as not being Irish. Most sports participants are younger, so it would be likely be much more than 15% at younger age groups.
HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 12/06/2021 18:46:12
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Replying To Saynothing: "Nonsense, it's getting like the ice bucket challenge, trends fade after a while. People taking the knee looking around to see who watching with their look at me heads on them." Interesting you brought this up as Ice bucket challenge was to raise money for MND a very serious disease with no cure! I would like to see this trend still going and be more popular to raise much needed money for the cause. It seems to hit very active sports people as per rte yesterday.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 12/06/2021 19:04:58
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Replying To skillet: " Replying To HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=HokeyPokey: "I'm not sure how effective it is or whether it would work in the GAA. I think doing it in empty stadiums diluted the impact. The reaction now by fans in England and elsewhere is the point to these kinds of gestures. The reaction against highlights the work we need to do. It sparks conversation around race.
Disappointed but not surprised by the people here who have clearly drank the right wing Kool-Aid.
Taking a knee was started by an NFL player. BLM uses it, but the gesture doesn't belong to them in any shape or form. Soccer players are taking the knee to highlight racism and racial inequality, I haven't heard any of them endorsing anything tangentially linked to BLM.
Being against racism is not and should not be seen as political. People need to educate themselves properly on these issues. There are no shortage of statistics that show how stark it is. In the US, income inequality levels for blacks is the same as it was in the 1960s, a black masters graduate is still on average likely to earn less than a white high school graduate. Black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police and discriminatory laws, police checks of white drivers are more likely to find drugs.
Someone also mentioned about statues being torn down. This is a typical red herring used by the right wing. There was only one statue torn down in the UK and it was a long running issue. That hasn't stopped the Tories and right wing media from writing constantly about the threat. Now someone who defaces a statue can face longer jail time than a rapist in the UK. Makes sense, no?
Ireland is a racist country, that doesn't mean everyone is racist. It means we have work to do and we shouldn't try to shrink from that. Immigrants report experiencing discrimination in the South much more than other EU countries. Thankfully we don't have a media that perpetuates racism on the same level as elsewhere. But, issues with racism in Ireland is well documented and look at any comment section online you will find it very easily, and as someone else pointed out, we will all have heard racist remarks of varying degrees by friends, colleagues and families.
The GAA has a lot of work to do. Having played rugby and GAA in Ireland, there were far, far more players of different skin colours playing rugby, but I only ever remember experiencing very outright racism in GAA circles. The GAA needs to modernise and think more clearly what it stands for and its purpose. There's a lot of work to do to make it more inclusive and not just attractive to the typical GAA head." Are you a non white. You seem to be an expert. I have noticed far more racism in Irish rugby towards working class people. So does that count as discrimination. A lot of Irish rugby comes from fee paying schools."
I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types.
My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups.
There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent.
The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?"]My wife teaches in a school that had a huge GAA tradition in the past. The demographic has changed completely now.. Very large population of different nationalities in the school.
They can't field a hurling or football team but have an excellent soccer team and actually have a cricket team.. The sport of choice for a lot of the students ..
There is little or no interest in the GAA whose absolute essence is in playing for where you come from. If a young fellah supports the Pakistani cricket team, the Limerick hurlers might not be able to compete with that.
It's all well and good saying that we need to be more inclusive but it's a two way thing. people from different backgrounds have to want to be involved also. If I saw a brilliant young fellah coming through for the senior hurlers with an eye for goal who happened to be African, Lebanese, Nepalese or Chinese I wouldn't care less. Most people would be the exact same.. Especially if he could score a goal or two."]There's also the factor that if you are good enough (the skill, fitness and determination) to play inter-county football or hurling; there is chance you could also be good enough to play other sports. DJ Carey comes to mind, but there are plenty of others.
If you're a young lad with a good all round ability at sport, and you're not the academic type, a career as a professional sportsmen would be appealing. Think of Niall Quinn, I quote from Wikipedia:
Niall Quinn played Gaelic football for the Perrystown, Dublin 12, club Robert Emmets. He also played underage football and hurling for Dublin. In July 1983, Quinn captained a Dublin Colleges GAA party on a one-month tour of Australia. Aged 16, he played in the 1983 All-Ireland Minor Hurling Championship Final, and was offered a contract to play professional Australian rules football before settling on a career in soccer. He played Gaelic football for Co. Kildare club Eadestown after his retirement, winning a junior C county title in 2008.
Also, first and second generation immigrants in Ireland would not be as steeped in the culture and history, of the parish and county ethos, that undermines the GAA.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 12/06/2021 19:07:44
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