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Which are the 5 counties?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 02/06/2021 19:16:55 2347805 Link 0 |
its not a pointless thread...60 odd comments some think its not too bad of a thread...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 02/06/2021 20:33:19 2347823 Link 2 |
Agree on Shefflin but even as a Tipp man I enjoy Dalys passion. His podcast is excellent entertainment too and his knowledge of the game is unreal.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/06/2021 20:34:08 2347824 Link 0 |
thanks to other posters for replying before me..Brian Whelehan for one as you mentioned yourself...Martin Hanamy was one of the greatest corner backs of the 1990's and its not me just saying that..Johnny Dooley was as fine a hurler to ever play in Leisnter if not Ireland..he is a quiet fellah who doesnt do RTE panels and like many then get forgotten about...he hasnt the haul of Henry Shefflin as Offaly dont have that supply chain...Coughlan and Delaney, Kinahanas defenders, Joachinm Kelly seemed to hurl for ever at midfield and never had a bad game even if Offaly lost.., Mark Corrigan as a forward along with Johnny & Joe Dooley, Brian Carroll..yes, none of these have the haul Henry or most of his KK compatriots have as we hadnt the calibre of these lads in every line of the field..but some of the greatst Offaly every produced, unfortunately they all hadnt the back up to win multiple medals, which in ways pays testament to their longivity in inter county hurling...Henry came into hurling prominence too when GAA entity was becoming commercial and its all very well hurling til you drop and well looked after etc. given the prominence of the county..Offaly and many many more counties dont have that luxury...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 02/06/2021 20:43:41 2347827 Link 3 |
Can't take Daly's voice at all... the best pundit on hurling is/was Michael Deignam from Offaly who said it as it is and didn't do the "I can't say that on RTE" like the rest of them....!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 02/06/2021 21:57:27 2347841 Link 1 |
Can't take Daly's voice at all... the best pundit on hurling is/was Michael Deignam from Offaly who said it as it is and didn't do the "I can't say that on RTE" like the rest of them....!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 02/06/2021 21:57:34 2347842 Link 0 |
I knew I could have filled a page with Offaly greats. The "greatest " is in the eye of the beholder at a time in history and a useless exercise.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 02/06/2021 22:00:24 2347843 Link 1 |
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Henry Sheflin might have been a great hurler but he is a terrible pundit.... As for Daly from Clare... he would give an aspirin a headache...!!!" Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 02/06/2021 22:16:47 2347846 Link 1 |
Another phrase coined is, The " greatest doesn't exist on its own but is created by its many observers." - The greatest is self explanatory, Offaly have their fair share, no doubt.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 02/06/2021 22:52:54 2347853 Link 0 |
In fairness, 'that Wexford Camogie Player' comes with some pedigree. She and all her three siblings have played 'hurling' at the top level, for their county. Her father and uncle are All Ireland Medalists and her Great Grand Uncle, Jem Mythen, was a member of the 1910 All Ireland winning team. So I would be happy enough with her commenting on hurling as I am sure she knows a lot more about the game than I do."]Fair point and myself included. But camogie it is a completely different sport nothing against her she was a great player. But for me it's gonna down hill since Lester retired. I always looked forward to the Sunday game but for some reason not any more. It's just not working IMO.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 02/06/2021 22:53:21 2347854 Link 3 |
The best way to watch the sports now on RTE is with the mute button on the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 03/06/2021 08:37:48 2347894 Link 3 |
Agree with others on Joanne Cantwell. And its nothing got to do with her being a woman. I'm just calling it as i see it! She is poor imo!! Love Brolly or hate him he was the only one who spoke his mind. Even if at times you thought the stuff he said was pure rubbish, it was HIS opinion, and not the opinion set out in the SCRIPT! ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 03/06/2021 09:27:12 2347899 Link 3 |
I would have said that it is the teams that have had dominate periods down through the history of the GAA namely Cork, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Wexford and Offaly in the 90s. Those to me are the counties with players that are always muted as having the greatest hurlers during specific periods. Joe Canning, in my opinion is up there with regard to individual talent from any era but I wonder if a player like Joe Canning, who has won one all ireland to date, would be consider one of the best hurlers of all time with one all ireland. My opinion is that the greatest player of all time should be judged on more than all ireland medals and all star awards. All Ireland are generally won by a team, so an individual like Joe Canning is dependent on the players around him to win an All Ireland. The same applies to special players in other counties like Ken McGrath. The all stars are not an accurate barometer, as has been proven in recent years, you can be lucky or unlucky depending on the year and how many players the all ireland finalists get.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 03/06/2021 10:55:20 2347924 Link 0 |
Jimmy Smyth from Clare? More recently Logan, Jamesy O Connor and teammates? Galway have had legends as have Waterford both recent and in the past. Mick Mackay didnt play for any of the 5 counties you picked out either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 03/06/2021 11:22:30 2347930 Link 0 |
Brolly did take an age to make a point though so he needed to be hurried along, but there is a polite way of doing that and Cantwell isn't of the calibre of Bill O'Herlihy for example imo to change the course of a topic. In fact she likes to put her own opinion into matters.
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 03/06/2021 11:42:11 2347937 Link 0 |
You said a lot more than you're claiming now. You're also benefitting from anonymity same as the rest of us. Try to look at the big picture instead of feeling sorry for yourself because strangers online have a different opinion to you
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/06/2021 11:58:52 2347941 Link 4 |
You raise a fair point but it appears that the reason Henry Shefflin is being anointed as the greatest hurler of all time is that he has 10 all ireland medals and a similar all stars. There aren't too many counties that fit into this criteria which is why on my original post; I posed the question what is deemed being a 'great' or being the 'greatest'. To me, it should be wider than the number of medals and all stars a player has as both of these are dependent on one - the county or team mates along with you and two - the all star awards are very subjective and not always the best players get awarded such awards.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 03/06/2021 14:58:48 2347991 Link 0 |
For sure. I agree with your general point. The all stars are and have always been a bit of a joke. And All Ireland medals in any team sport are largely dependent on your teammates. If Brick Walsh, for example, had of been born in Kilkenny he too mightve had 10 Celtic crosses and all stars for example.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 03/06/2021 15:15:52 2347998 Link 0 |
The AllStars lost all credibility in the 1990s and are either the icing on the cake for All-Ireland winners or a consolation prize for all the rest. With perhaps an all expenses paid junket to the other end of the world to play an exhibition game ....
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 03/06/2021 15:21:15 2347999 Link 0 |
Obviously this is all opinion and you could pick numerous players and make an argument for them. Henry gets credit because He probably played in more big matches then anyone in the history of hurling. Especially with the system that is in place compared to 30 years ago. He also produced in most of those big games. When the game was in the fire he came through most of the time. That can't be discounted. Was he the most talented hurler ever i would say no. He wasn't the most talented hurler on those Kilkenny teams he played on. However he was very talented and more importantly he got the most out of what he had, more so then any other player I have seen. My top 5 would be DJ, Keher, JJ,Henry and Tommy. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 03/06/2021 16:31:44 2348024 Link 0 |