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Replying To MurphBalls: "You are missing the point here. In fact you are so far off the point. We're not talking about Ulster teams being good enough in Croke Park or not. The fact of the matter is whether Donegal will field a strong team against Dublin or not. Let's face it, I would much rather play Clare, Tipp, or Cork than play Derry (Who are one of the weaker teams in Ulster). There are 4 Ulster teams in Division 1. That alone shows the competitiveness of the province. It's not about pity or being good enough. It's about the competitiveness of the province compared to a Leinster or Munster championship. Therefore, the schedule impacts Ulster teams by the time they get to Croke Park. You can keep telling yourself there is a level playing field but you're only kidding yourself." How many games will Kerry have to play in Munster before an AI semi final? 2? Against non Division One teams while we could have 4 games and 2 Division One teams to play all going well in Ulster.. definitely lop sided structure and worse than ever where it's a condensed championship with no back door. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1478 - 04/06/2021 14:08:29 2348215 Link
Replying To Soma: "If Donegal win Ulster they will have played 4 games, if Kerry win Munster they will have played 3. They start off against the Munster champions, then probably a game against a Clare side who could be promoted to Div 1 by then, and a final against a Cork side who knocked them out last year. Yes being in the preliminary round means Donegal have 1 extra game, but there seems to be a real feeling of self-pity in Ulster football now that is doing the province no good. When Ulster teams are beaten in Croke Park it's because they are not good enough, not due to any schedule." Crucially for Kerry to win the Munster championship they won't have to play any Division 1 teams, this is standard fare. When was the last time Ulster didn't have the most teams in Division 1? greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 454 - 04/06/2021 14:18:05 2348216 Link
Replying To MurphBalls: "I don't expect anyone that plays are holding back hence why I think Bonner will pick a team with lads that aren't exactly regular starters. Donegal have to play Dublin in a game that doesn't matter. If Donegal win they can't play a final so what's the point. Donegal "should" beat Down and I would then expect a difficult match up with Derry, who seem to be in good form. If they beat Down and then Derry they then must play Tyrone in an Ulster semi final and if they win that they will likely have to play a hungry Monaghan or Armagh side. The three league games they played was good conditioning for every team but we are getting to the crunch time of the season and to go all out against Dublin with nothing to really play for makes no sense at all. If you are part of a modern day gaelic football setup it is much more scientific and tactical than it used to be. Teams are actually setup to peak for when it matters and that's why Ulster are at such a disadvantage because they must peak well before Dublin and Kerry. Whoever plays for Donegal against Dublin will be going hell for leather, it's not a case of lads trotting around the field not giving a hoot. It's about smart player management. If there was no prelim for Donegal then I think the conversation would be different but the fact that Donegal must possibly play 4 tough Ulster Championship games and hope they are lucky enough to get a crack at a fresh Kerry side who will have plenty of time in between Munster Championship games to be fresh for the AI series. Therefore, I think it would be stupid for Donegal to realistically think they can start their strongest possible side and hope to get through Ulster without lads with too many miles in the legs and burn out or injuries because of overtraining." Murph yer getting a free shot at the dubs who will play the very same way that they'll play if ye meet them in an allireland final, I reckon Bonnar would be silly not to use this opertunity as a chance to try out a few things and to build a bit of confidence as ye'll need it if get to the allireland final. But that's just my view on it. As for ye having a hard time getting out of ulster, it'll be tough for sure but when we lost to ulster teams between 2002 and 2012 we were told that it was because of the tough games that ye had in yer provincial championship and thats why yer intensity was greater than ours. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2021 14:35:55 2348218 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "Crucially for Kerry to win the Munster championship they won't have to play any Division 1 teams, this is standard fare. When was the last time Ulster didn't have the most teams in Division 1?" I'd say it was in 2019 when Connacht had Mayo Galway and Roscommon (3 teams in div 1) which would have been equal to ulster. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2021 15:17:33 2348227 Link
Replying To SurelyToGod: "I'd struggle to believe that any of Tipp, Clare, or Cork would be amongst the top 6 teams in Ulster..." Cavan were deserving Ulster champions last year, after reaching the final in 2019 also. Like Tipperary, they are 1 game away from playing Division 4 football next year. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 04/06/2021 15:36:38 2348232 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I'd say it was in 2019 when Connacht had Mayo Galway and Roscommon (3 teams in div 1) which would have been equal to ulster." That would indicate that Ulster did have the most teams in Division 1 in 2019, alongside Connacht. greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 454 - 04/06/2021 15:58:00 2348236 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "That would indicate that Ulster did have the most teams in Division 1 in 2019, alongside Connacht." Yes that's why I said equal to ulster. You asked when was rhe last time that ulster didn't have the most amount of teams in div1 and that was 2019 as Connacht also had 3 teams. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2021 16:34:11 2348242 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "That would indicate that Ulster did have the most teams in Division 1 in 2019, alongside Connacht." And that didn't even include Donegal who went onto win the Ulster Championship that year. MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 04/06/2021 16:34:26 2348243 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Yes that's why I said equal to ulster. You asked when was rhe last time that ulster didn't have the most amount of teams in div1 and that was 2019 as Connacht also had 3 teams." Do you think that because two provinces had the most counties that means therefore no province had the most counties? greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 454 - 04/06/2021 18:27:26 2348257 Link
We can get a bit precious about ourselves in Ulster. 2017, 18 and 19 were not hard won championships. Tyrone walked 2017 beating teams on average by just over 9 points. Donegal average winning margin was nearly 10 points in 2018 and 5 points in 2019. The closest match was Donegal beating Tyrone by 4 in 2019. Now in fairness last year was a change and there would seem an improvement on the way this year with Monaghan, Derry, Armagh on the up. Mcbrearty injury in Ulster final in 2018 was no doubt a factor to Donegal progression. 2019 had some injuries though performance against mayo was not great either. And well last year well that was very disappointing. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 899 - 04/06/2021 19:09:32 2348266 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "Do you think that because two provinces had the most counties that means therefore no province had the most counties?" Well obviously both provinces were represented equally (3 counties each) and both had more counties in div1 than Munster and leinster. Ulster had more counties in div1 than Munster and leinster but they hadn't more counties than Connacht, they were equally represented. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2021 20:25:58 2348275 Link
Awful pity we haven't these games on this weekend, we could have the league finals on then next weekend, it would have kept the profile of the GAA up too with the soccer Euro finals starting next Friday. I expect Dublin to win this game but no doubt the team we put out will be trying their best and trying to claim a place in the team for the Ulster Championship, it will be a busy Summer if we can get out act together, I'd like to see us work on our defence against Dublin, it's the one area that's letting us down badly at the minute. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3332 - 04/06/2021 20:46:23 2348284 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "Crucially for Kerry to win the Munster championship they won't have to play any Division 1 teams, this is standard fare. When was the last time Ulster didn't have the most teams in Division 1?" Are you not being presumptuous great point. Maybe Clare will be in division one. Dublin won all ireland last year without playing any team that are division one this year. Does it matter? No! They beat what was in front of them. As for Ulster the provincial champions like Munster are division 3 and have to play a relegation game to to avoid division 4.We all know Ulster is the most competitive province but unless you want an open draw it's not going to change. From reading alot of posts over the years it's seems to ve the Ulster counties that want to jeep the provincial system the most. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4008 - 04/06/2021 21:23:46 2348300 Link
Scenario 1: Munster SFC Kerry vs Waterford/Limerick Kerry vs Cork AI Semi Final Kerry vs Mayo AI Final Kerry vs Dublin Scenario 2: Ulster SFC Prelim: Armagh vs Donegal Quarter: Donegal vs Derry Semi: Monaghan vs Donegal Final: Donegal vs Tyrone AI Semi Final: Dublin vs Donegal AI Final: Kerry vs Donegal I'm quite sure most fair minded people would agree that in a scenario such as the one I outlined above, Kerry would be the fresher team in that potential All Ireland final. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9883 - 08/06/2021 15:48:24 2349024 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Scenario 1: Munster SFC Kerry vs Waterford/Limerick Kerry vs Cork AI Semi Final Kerry vs Mayo AI Final Kerry vs Dublin Scenario 2: Ulster SFC Prelim: Armagh vs Donegal Quarter: Donegal vs Derry Semi: Monaghan vs Donegal Final: Donegal vs Tyrone AI Semi Final: Dublin vs Donegal AI Final: Kerry vs Donegal I'm quite sure most fair minded people would agree that in a scenario such as the one I outlined above, Kerry would be the fresher team in that potential All Ireland final." Kerry will have to beat 3 teams to get out of Munster this year lockjaw Donegal will have to win 4, being honest (and I don't mean any disrespect) but I think Tyrone will win Ulster this year and they will have played 3 games to get to the semi the same as us (if we get that far). KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/06/2021 16:23:01 2349033 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Kerry will have to beat 3 teams to get out of Munster this year lockjaw Donegal will have to win 4, being honest (and I don't mean any disrespect) but I think Tyrone will win Ulster this year and they will have played 3 games to get to the semi the same as us (if we get that far)." Yes but my example was hypothetical to illustrate the potential for lopsidedness and the inherent unfairness of the current system. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9883 - 08/06/2021 16:25:49 2349035 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Yes but my example was hypothetical to illustrate the potential for lopsidedness and the inherent unfairness of the current system." Kerry play Clare first and then Tipp if they overcome Clare and then if they beat Tipp they play Cork and then if we win we play ulster champions in semi. Lockjaw the dogs in the street know the system is lopsided and Ulster is and always was the hardest province to come out of. However anytime it was mentioned before about scrapping the provincial system it seems that the biggest objectors are from Ulster While Cavan and Tipp brought great joy last year I for one would be happy to have an open draw in the championship. For me the provincial can be played but not as part of an all ireland series. Its time for change but as we know it's a slow process. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4008 - 08/06/2021 16:51:48 2349043 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Kerry will have to beat 3 teams to get out of Munster this year lockjaw Donegal will have to win 4, being honest (and I don't mean any disrespect) but I think Tyrone will win Ulster this year and they will have played 3 games to get to the semi the same as us (if we get that far)." Kerry have to play 3 games compared to Tyrones 3 games? Yes, that is correct. But, Kerry are playing Limerick, Tipperary, and Cork. Whereas Tyrone play Cavan Donegal and Monaghan/Armagh. I don't know about you but I think I'd much rather play Limerick/Tipp/Cork. While we're talking about things that won't happen this year then I think Galway will win Munster this year. MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 08/06/2021 17:01:09 2349045 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Scenario 1: Munster SFC Kerry vs Waterford/Limerick Kerry vs Cork AI Semi Final Kerry vs Mayo AI Final Kerry vs Dublin Scenario 2: Ulster SFC Prelim: Armagh vs Donegal Quarter: Donegal vs Derry Semi: Monaghan vs Donegal Final: Donegal vs Tyrone AI Semi Final: Dublin vs Donegal AI Final: Kerry vs Donegal I'm quite sure most fair minded people would agree that in a scenario such as the one I outlined above, Kerry would be the fresher team in that potential All Ireland final." Ah you would have to back the team who knocked the Dubs off their perch all day long, the confidence that would bring to a team alone, couldn't be bought, and a two week break between semis and final, "freshness" wouldn't even come into the equation. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/06/2021 17:01:18 2349046 Link
Replying To MurphBalls: "Kerry have to play 3 games compared to Tyrones 3 games? Yes, that is correct. But, Kerry are playing Limerick, Tipperary, and Cork. Whereas Tyrone play Cavan Donegal and Monaghan/Armagh. I don't know about you but I think I'd much rather play Limerick/Tipp/Cork. While we're talking about things that won't happen this year then I think Galway will win Munster this year." I would prefer to play Fermanagh or Antrim than Clare or Tipp but that won't be happening. Dublin won't win ulster this year either. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4008 - 08/06/2021 18:18:58 2349062 Link