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I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point. I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus. The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive. Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf. I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises. Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football. But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%."]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything. I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim. I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general. Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales. Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons."]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick" The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad. I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic. There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game. I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like. I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic. I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? Never said that at all but he's likely to be far more qualified to talk about success than someone from Antrim who's won f all, but sure maybe yourself and your mate here might help Antrim or are you another two who talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Normally Antrim people are nice people. It's not my fault Antrim have won f all. I do admire Dublin, I admire the way they have codded armchair pundits like yourself and your mate here, the GAA and previous governments. Hats off to them. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 13:08:54 2346070 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point. I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus. The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive. Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf. I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises. Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football. But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%."]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything. I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim. I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general. Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales. Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons."]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick" The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad. I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic. There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game. I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like. I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic. I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules."]More fool me indeed Whammo. The state of these pages with all his copy and paste muck alone is enough for me at this stage. Reminds me of another double agent on here or maybe its the same one? But theyre nothing but a plague to this forum either way. I agree we've had some great matches in recent years. If teams could finally crack the Dublin setup we'd have a very good championship in prospect. Rather than imitation it would be great to see some top teams create their own identity with tactics and gameplans new to the scene that might surprise the best in the land instead of playing into their hands. A lot easier said than done of course. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/05/2021 13:10:15 2346071 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point. I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus. The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive. Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf. I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises. Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football. But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%."]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything. I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim. I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general. Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales. Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons."]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick" The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad. I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic. There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game. I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like. I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic. I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules."]More fool me indeed Whammo. The state of these pages with all his copy and paste muck alone is enough for me at this stage. Reminds me of another double agent on here or maybe its the same one? But theyre nothing but a plague to this forum either way. I agree we've had some great matches in recent years. If teams could finally crack the Dublin setup we'd have a very good championship in prospect. Rather than imitation it would be great to see some top teams create their own identity with tactics and gameplans new to the scene that might surprise the best in the land instead of playing into their hands. A lot easier said than done of course."]The problem with lads like yourselves is that you are too nice, you put Dublin up on a pedestal and admire and pander to them. We agree on a number of things, but both of you or maybe you're the same person, are ultra sensitive when it comes to critical analysis, and lose your heads too easily. Definitely not management or coaching material and would struggle in todays game with that type of temperament. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 13:31:18 2346076 Link 1 |
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I'm not sure you even know what 'critical analysis' is. I've yet to see any evidence of it from your posts AG. Read twice as much as you write would be a great starting point for you and the rest of us at this stage. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/05/2021 13:50:46 2346078 Link 1 |
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I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point. I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus. The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive. Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf. I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises. Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football. But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%."]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything. I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim. I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general. Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales. Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons."]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick" The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad. I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic. There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game. I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like. I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic. I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules."]And whammo reverts to his standard "if you don't like it you're just a bitter non-dub" position. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 28/05/2021 15:15:31 2346091 Link 1 |
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Dublin will be beaten, they're not machines nor Gods. They've been on the brink a time or 2. There wouldn't have needed to be a lot go differently to see them have 3 AI from the past 6. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 28/05/2021 15:38:43 2346096 Link 5 |
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I read the game, not the Dublin media propaganda that has many of you brainwashed.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 19:19:57 2346131 Link 1 |
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I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point. I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus. The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive. Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf. I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises. Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football. But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%."]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything. I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim. I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general. Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales. Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons."]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick" The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad. I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic. There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game. I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like. I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic. I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules."]And whammo reverts to his standard "if you don't like it you're just a bitter non-dub" position."]You'll be able to back that up with examples of me having pulled that before, yeah. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 28/05/2021 19:57:59 2346139 Link 7 |
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My whole take on this is that fair enough, Dublin are able to wind down the clock by keeping possession, making smart decisions on the pitch and waiting until the opposition allow them space in and around their preferred scoring zone. They have the players, and at the end of games they do use it to prevent the opposition scoring. kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 76 - 31/05/2021 12:55:10 2346921 Link 1 |
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How long should a shot clock be - it should be somewhat liberal - 90 seconds ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 03/06/2021 06:09:03 2347882 Link 0 |