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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/05/2021 15:03:12    2345909

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
If a team have the ball in there own have and if they cross there own 45 with ball the team should not be allowed to go back behind 45 with ball. The must go forward. If they pass back behind the 45 they will have to give up the ball to other team. Very easy for linesman to call if it happens

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 127 - 27/05/2021 15:07:34    2345911

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "
Replying To Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
If a team have the ball in there own have and if they cross there own 45 with ball the team should not be allowed to go back behind 45 with ball. The must go forward. If they pass back behind the 45 they will have to give up the ball to other team. Very easy for linesman to call if it happens"]Interesting idea.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/05/2021 15:15:41    2345913

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Replying To AfricanGael: What you're saying though could be applied to anything in life, that the average car today is better than a car from the 70's or whatever, but that's totally irrelevant.

Many people tend to forget that the vast majority of games today are total and utter garbage, encounters best forgotten.

In any normal Championship you wont miss too much if you don't tune in until the Quarter Final stage.

Without focusing too much on the fitness of players and without forgetting to not consider the link between fitness and perceived skill levels just ask yourself where the game would be today if some of the great players of the past started messing around doing basketball moves and hiring basketball coach's in the past.

We could all point to Pele, George Best, Maradona, or Eusébio making mistakes but it doesn't take away from the fact they were great footballers who are still in the best footballers of all time category and who sits down to watch these players and comes away talking about the mistakes which were made. Nobody.

If the above mentioned were playing today, they'd still destroy the opposition, and the same goes for great Gaelic footballers of the past.

Yes we know mistakes were made by all, but sure so what, they were amateur's, they had proper jobs, a family to feed, maybe a farm to take care of or whatever, the only gym they knew was Jim the butcher, if it's a perfect robotic game your looking for that's fine, give me mistakes and good attacking football from good honest players any day, rather than the boring s***e we see played by many today.
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Congrats yet again on completely missing the point I was making. Quite the talent you have there. But really, please don't try and debate a point with me that I was clearly not making. I've already explained my point, and don't try and switch it to different scenarios, like if those in the past had the time, conditioning that modern players have etc. They didn't, so it's all moot. Stop debating that point with me.
And the game is way better today than a lot of the quality on display in the past. It's easy to see

And please answer me this: what on earth do you do with your replies? You make them unreadable due to whatever way you do it. You add in bold text, italics, and various other things that mess up the reply mechanism. Whenever I see a messed up reply, I'll look and there you are, AfricanGael in the middle of it. Please reply properly or I'll not engage further. I had to pull out your reply above to make it in any way readable...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 27/05/2021 16:13:42    2345933

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African Gael

You say you hate the blanket and generally don't like it at all at all.. it's quite clear

Yet you have a problem with the team that has completely negated the tactic...

Hmm bit silly

But as you said sure it's only opinions

Some are more rounded than others though

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/05/2021 16:25:06    2345939

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 27/05/2021 16:44:31    2345947

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The game is grand. Overly cautious coaching has made it less of a spectacle for some. There are emerging signs that some coaches might throw more caution to the wind in 2021.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 27/05/2021 19:02:03    2345977

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/05/2021 19:03:56    2345978

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 27/05/2021 19:56:03    2345989

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https://youtu.be/GDwrxdoWkJE

This was the 1976 All Ireland final. Undoubtedly the 2 best teams of the era playing. I started watching this and the first 2 minutes, I sort of thought this is better than I expected. Dublin worked a goal chance from a nice serious of hand passing.

Their first score came from some good quality direct kick passing.

The quality degenerates quickly after that.

Ball hoofed long. Ball kicked away. Line ball hoofed into the mixer. Ball kicked short. Ball hoofed. Out for a line ball. Ball hoofed. Out for a line ball. Line ball kicked right to an opponent on his own 20m away. Late tackle. Free scored (phew). Ball hoofed. Easy take spilled. Ball hoofed. Straight to the keeper. Ball hoofed, given away. Ball hoofed, goes to a forward, runs wide, does evade his man, kicks a shot for point wide and short. Keeper collects, silly free. Ball hoofed, ball hoofed. Spilled ball, late tackle. Free from the middle of the posts missed. Ball hoofed, player pushed out over the sideline. Line ball hoofed runs tamely back to keeper. Ball passed inaccurately and out over sideline.

Just shocking stuff. There wasn't a lot of evidence of thinking on people's feet, the ball was just hoofed left right and centre. Wasn't much great defending. The ball was kicked 50/50 practically every time. There was barely an attempt at a real tackle half the time. Don't get me started on the shooting.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 27/05/2021 20:07:55    2345992

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Its impossible to compare different eras.In reality one might say the modern players would beat past players easily but if the older players were playing now they would be fitter,better looked after, play on better pitches and more coaching so who knows.Backs that time tended to balloon the ball away but if the were playing now that would nt happen.Also there are some players today doing very well that are outstanding athletes but not great footballers.They would nt have made it years back.Also the game was tougher back then and very little diving like today.I also agree we look through rose tinted glasses at times and sometimes the standard was nt great but a tight game was exciting and I agree the keep ball tactic makes the game boring and was nt in back then.Now as a Kerryman I have to admit the first time I saw the keep ball tactic being used was by Dr Crokes of Kerry as far back as the 90s when the were managed by Pat O shea (who was a brilliant basketball player who played for Ireland).A poster mentioned a few days about the keep ball tactics Kerry employed in the last few minutes v Dublin in the o7 semi final.Well Kerry then were managed by the forementioned Pat O Shea.Needs must and we all want to win.Ironically when Kerry dismantled the Donegal blanket in 14 many Kerry fans while thrilled with the win but criticised Eamon Fitzmaurice over his tactics.When he played attacking football v mayo in 17 semi and drew he was criticised for a weak defense.For replay he went defensive .Mayo beat Kerry and Fitzmaurice got lots of heat.At the end of the day its all about the result.Finally on the eras there are many of the players from the 70 s 80 s and 90 s would be super players today also.The likes of Matt Connor Mickey Linden Pat Spilane Maurice Fitzgerald Jacko Shea Brian Mullins Ciaran Duff Kevin Moran Anthony Tohill Tony Mc Manus Dermot Earley Val Daly Liam Mc hale Ciaran Mc Donald Dinny Allen Larry Tompkins Trevor Giles Colm O Rourke Glen Ryan Deaclan Browne Oisin Mc Conville Peter Canavan would all make it in any era without a doubt.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 27/05/2021 20:32:25    2345996

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I still play, coach and promote globally.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/05/2021 22:49:01    2346011

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Replying To Whammo86:  "https://youtu.be/GDwrxdoWkJE

This was the 1976 All Ireland final. Undoubtedly the 2 best teams of the era playing. I started watching this and the first 2 minutes, I sort of thought this is better than I expected. Dublin worked a goal chance from a nice serious of hand passing.

Their first score came from some good quality direct kick passing.

The quality degenerates quickly after that.

Ball hoofed long. Ball kicked away. Line ball hoofed into the mixer. Ball kicked short. Ball hoofed. Out for a line ball. Ball hoofed. Out for a line ball. Line ball kicked right to an opponent on his own 20m away. Late tackle. Free scored (phew). Ball hoofed. Easy take spilled. Ball hoofed. Straight to the keeper. Ball hoofed, given away. Ball hoofed, goes to a forward, runs wide, does evade his man, kicks a shot for point wide and short. Keeper collects, silly free. Ball hoofed, ball hoofed. Spilled ball, late tackle. Free from the middle of the posts missed. Ball hoofed, player pushed out over the sideline. Line ball hoofed runs tamely back to keeper. Ball passed inaccurately and out over sideline.

Just shocking stuff. There wasn't a lot of evidence of thinking on people's feet, the ball was just hoofed left right and centre. Wasn't much great defending. The ball was kicked 50/50 practically every time. There was barely an attempt at a real tackle half the time. Don't get me started on the shooting."
And the crowd loving it, not a Nordie blanket in sight, attack attack attack !

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/05/2021 22:53:50    2346013

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "And the crowd loving it, not a Nordie blanket in sight, attack attack attack ! "
The crowd do love it. Ignorance is bliss and all that. That was the pinnacle of the game... at the time.

I don't think we need to go back to that.

I've been to plenty of recent games where the crowd have loved it to.

Was at both Mayo Kerry semis in 2017 for instance. The first game was incredible excitement from start to finish. Class.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 28/05/2021 10:06:11    2346030

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general.

Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales.

Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 10:30:10    2346032

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general.

Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales.

Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons.
"]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/05/2021 10:46:58    2346036

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "And the crowd loving it, not a Nordie blanket in sight, attack attack attack ! "
The crowd do love it. Ignorance is bliss and all that. That was the pinnacle of the game... at the time.

I don't think we need to go back to that.

I've been to plenty of recent games where the crowd have loved it to.

Was at both Mayo Kerry semis in 2017 for instance. The first game was incredible excitement from start to finish. Class."
Agree, and you know why games like that are incredible ? Because teams like Mayo and Kerry want to play football, isn't that what I've been telling you, play the fn game and stop this messing around like the so called "greatest team ever" :-).

A team will emerge who will go man on man with Dublin and if the cynical cheating is kept in check by an impartial ref, the Dublin basketballers will be put firmly back in their box.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 10:47:37    2346038

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general.

Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales.

Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons.
"]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick"

The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/05/2021 10:53:47    2346041

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general.

Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales.

Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons.
"]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick"

The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/05/2021 11:22:26    2346044

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=SaffronDon:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "You'll see plenty muck being played over the next few months, by well waxed "men", that's a certainty. "
Just a lot of clichéd rubbish. There's plenty of good quality football."
I wouldn't say plenty at all, we can all dismiss what we don't like by copping out and calling it "clichéd rubbish", without realizing that the term "clichéd rubbish" is that biggest cliché of them all. "]Well somewhat fair point.

I can't see how someone can watch players like Fenton, Murchan, O'Callaghan, O'Shea, Clifford, Peter Harte, Murphy, McBrearty, McManus.

The play of Dublin when a game is in the mix is at times so incisive. How they dismantled Mayo in the 2019 semifinals just after halftime was very impressive.

Look I'm glad I can appreciate these players, if you can't well I'm disappointed on your behalf.

I don't like the keep ball of Dublin either but as others have said the onus is on others to win it back from them. I've floated the idea of not allowing pass backs like the 7 a side rule but the problem here is it could encourage more of the blanket."]I accept your point of view but with all due respect you are from Antrim so you can actually sit back and enjoy or admire watching the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or whoever play because you know it is highly unlikely that Antrim will face any of these teams in the latter end of the Championship any time soon, I don't say that as any slight on Antrim at all, players like Paddy Cunningham would be very high up my list when it comes to singing praises.

Perhaps I would admire Dublin more if I came from Antrim, if I didn't know how they got to where they are or "achieved" what they did, or if I was just a casual follower of football.

But parking all that to one side, there is no question that Dublin do have some great players and even with all their well documented advantages, do I believe there is a way to beat them. Absolutely 100%.
"]What does being from Antrim have to do with anything.

I also played club football in Meath for longer than I played in Antrim.

I just like football, watch it all over, watch lots of teams and various levels and played much more recently than you seem to have and played under a few very strong coaches."]I told you it wasn't a slight on Antrim, but if you're talking to someone from Antrim about football, it's like talking to someone from Kildare about Hurling, not a slight on Kildare either, but someone from Kildare has the luxury of sitting back and admiring Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford or whoever he likes, whereas someone from Tipperary may have a more analytical and critical opinion of Waterford or Limerick, and the game in general.

Surely you must agree that a conversation with a Kerry man for example would be a very different conversation regarding football than you might have with a man from Carlow. Or a conversation with a German regarding the World cup wouldn't be the same as having a conversation with someone from Wales.

Context man, that's all, so no need to get upset and narky about it. It doesn't mean that there aren't some very good players who play or have played for Antrim or Carlow, there are and I know them all, but counties of that size simply don't have the numbers and Antrim have lost a number of players this year for personal reasons.
"]What a load of sh#te from start to finish. Apart from players who play in the actual matches you're talking about, tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick have that one from Antrim or Carlow don't have? This from a poster to can't even put forward forward county that he represents, hilarious!"]"Tell me what an armchair fan from Tipp or Limerick"

The experience, joy and all that comes with it of seeing their counties win All-Irelands, if you have that in Antrim, I must have missed it."]So a lad from Tipp or Limerick telling us what a great time he had at Croker for the day is your idea of 'analytical' thinking? You must pick your teams after watching 'Up for the Match' the night before after all the important stuff is discussed."]I should have known better than to engage with this lad.

I think he's been shown up as another one who's bitter of Dublin's success rather than discussing the actual topic.

There's definitely tactics and passages of play I dislike about the modern game.

I do think the criticism at times is so over the top and just annoys me the drivel that gets spouted about how the games gone and the like.

I've really enjoyed the last few championships, I'm hoping some teams figure out how to counter Dublin's keep ball. It would be better if the competition was more open again and I'd be happy for keep ball to go the way of the ultra mass defence and die out as a legitimate winning tactic.

I'd rather it happen naturally than having more tinkering to the rules.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 28/05/2021 12:39:56    2346064

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