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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I wouldn't go as far as saying a team must shoot but a simple rule like a maximum of two hand passes in a row is very simple to enforce, we need to get the kick passing skills back into the game, but there's more to it than that also. Lets be honest about it, hand passing is right at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to skills of Gaelic football.

There was a passage of play yesterday in the second half where Dublin were very close to the Kerry goal and within 30 seconds they had passed the ball out to the middle of the field, I honesty thought I had lost it and they were playing the other way.

How people can say this is good football is beyond me, they clearly never played the game at any level, and I always found it was players who were never very good at the game who shouted loudest in their praises of of hand passing, it was always helpful in camouflaging their lack of kick passing ability.

Of course you need a certain amount of hand passing but ultimately I believe Dublin's obsession with this basement "skill" will lead to their downfall.

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Dublin were winding down the clock pure and simple. Their skill levels are very high. They are also extremely will organised and in great physical condition. Mentally Dublin are very, very tough. They never panic. Limiting the number of hand passes will only encourage teams to drop back and wait for the kick. The game is much more open in recent times. Leave it alone. Let it evolve and stop this constant meddling with the rules."
Winding down the clock with 20 plus minutes left of a league game ? I've heard it all now. :-)."]7 minutes."]I'd suggest you change the batteries in your watch or actually watch the game again. The fact that you say 7 minute plus 4 or 5 in injury time without any hint of disgust shows you support such garbage."]Your arrogance and ignorance are something to behold."]Watch the game , before you start picking numbers off the top of your head , I doubt you kicked a ball in your life , win a tenth of what I've won as a player and a coach and you'd have done well. So put that in your pipe ."]Ah the mighty coach you are you would surely be fit to come up with a way to beat the handpassing instead of crying for rule changes no?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 24/05/2021 17:06:04    2345073

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An interesting topic. There has been a lot of chopping and changing of the rules lately. A lot of this has made the game an inferior product both to play and watch (forward mark and water breaks spring to mind). I think if you treated the handpass like a bounce (you cant have two handpasses in a row) it would improve the game. It would encourage the return of kick passing and also reintroduce an element of risk taking and excitement with a battle to win the kick pass. I know the 5 handpass limit was trialled before but I think having the ref having to count to 5 caused more confusion that anything. A lot easier to remember you cant do two in a row.

Cnocrua (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 24/05/2021 17:39:11    2345084

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Replying To centerfield:  "This passing the ball around the place timewasting has gone beyond a joke. Teams get 3-4 pts up towards the end and starts playing keep ball for 5-6 min.

Max pass limit should be put into place in rules.

e.g after 8 passes you must shoot. if team doesn't shoot possession given to opposition keeper.

Will force teams to attack not mind their lead"
Nonsense. Go get the ball back with a high press. If you are not good enough to do it then tough luck.

The short advanced mark needs to change but that's about it.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7889 - 24/05/2021 18:38:21    2345101

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Open to correction here but is AfricanGael not Real Louth Fan? I thought they were banned way back when

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 24/05/2021 18:49:01    2345107

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An 8 pass rule? I suppose the ref has nothing else to be watching out for. Give him something to do wouldnt it...

I'm seriously fed up with all these rule changes. They are setting the game back and making refereeing almost impossible. Every time we get a poor match these rule proposals show up here. They are reactive, short sighted notions. Nothing more.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 24/05/2021 19:03:52    2345117

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Nonsense. Go get the ball back with a high press. If you are not good enough to do it then tough luck.

The short advanced mark needs to change but that's about it."
Agreed. As much as I don't like the overuse of the hand pass the pitch is the same size for everyone. All we have is two teams afraid to turn to a plan B or be more adventurous with the tactics. Hardly a need to make more rule changes to the ridiculous amount already passed at Congress over the last number of years.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 24/05/2021 19:15:00    2345120

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This rule or the no passing back into your own half would ensure every team drops 15 players back behind the ball when not in poession. It ould only reward playing the blanket defence

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 24/05/2021 19:35:29    2345131

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Open to correction here but is AfricanGael not Real Louth Fan? I thought they were banned way back when"
Think again Breffni40/Tonguey, think again.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/05/2021 19:37:22    2345134

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Replying To achara:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I wouldn't go as far as saying a team must shoot but a simple rule like a maximum of two hand passes in a row is very simple to enforce, we need to get the kick passing skills back into the game, but there's more to it than that also. Lets be honest about it, hand passing is right at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to skills of Gaelic football.

There was a passage of play yesterday in the second half where Dublin were very close to the Kerry goal and within 30 seconds they had passed the ball out to the middle of the field, I honesty thought I had lost it and they were playing the other way.

How people can say this is good football is beyond me, they clearly never played the game at any level, and I always found it was players who were never very good at the game who shouted loudest in their praises of of hand passing, it was always helpful in camouflaging their lack of kick passing ability.

Of course you need a certain amount of hand passing but ultimately I believe Dublin's obsession with this basement "skill" will lead to their downfall.

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Dublin were winding down the clock pure and simple. Their skill levels are very high. They are also extremely will organised and in great physical condition. Mentally Dublin are very, very tough. They never panic. Limiting the number of hand passes will only encourage teams to drop back and wait for the kick. The game is much more open in recent times. Leave it alone. Let it evolve and stop this constant meddling with the rules."
Winding down the clock with 20 plus minutes left of a league game ? I've heard it all now. :-)."]7 minutes."]I'd suggest you change the batteries in your watch or actually watch the game again. The fact that you say 7 minute plus 4 or 5 in injury time without any hint of disgust shows you support such garbage."]Your arrogance and ignorance are something to behold."]Watch the game , before you start picking numbers off the top of your head , I doubt you kicked a ball in your life , win a tenth of what I've won as a player and a coach and you'd have done well. So put that in your pipe ."]Ah the mighty coach you are you would surely be fit to come up with a way to beat the handpassing instead of crying for rule changes no?"]Every team is coachable , with the exception of the Farney "men" . :-)

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/05/2021 19:43:25    2345142

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Think again Breffni40/Tonguey, think again."
Show us your medals !!!!

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/05/2021 19:47:48    2345145

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It's obvious that all these lads advocating the excessive use of the lowest "skill" in the game, either never played or were very poor footballers, ditch players.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/05/2021 19:52:07    2345147

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I'm all for teams continuing to drop players back into their defense, while usually in the process of losing the game at the time.. genius stuff

Its funny how many ignore their own counties ineptitude while bemoaning Dublins far more tactically super efforts

Yiz can't see the wood for the trees

Long may it past

Bemoaning success while ignoring their own shortcomings.

It's the stuff of losers.

Long may it continue though.. plays right into Dublins masterful application.

They'd rather see rule changes then actually address their failure.

Dublin addressed their own short comings without looking to tie together our oppositions boot laces.

Yep.. tis loser talk.

No doubt about it.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/05/2021 19:55:36    2345150

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's obvious that all these lads advocating the excessive use of the lowest "skill" in the game, either never played or were very poor footballers, ditch players. "
There's no point lumping a long ball into an area that's been flooded with opposition players hoping to force turn overs in the hope of then counter attackingr

There's no point over committing and running into swarm tackles to then be countered.

I'm sure someone that understands the use of italics and bold functions on an Internet forum is aware of Newton's Third Law..

There are two tactics at play and as such

"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction".

Dublins reaction has been extremely successful

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/05/2021 20:09:28    2345155

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's obvious that all these lads advocating the excessive use of the lowest "skill" in the game, either never played or were very poor footballers, ditch players. "
Or just don't agree with you!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 24/05/2021 20:20:37    2345161

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I don't know why so many here are against the advanced mark. For a start it's rare that you would get more than 2-3 in a game, if it was as easy to do as lads make out it would be happening alot more often. It also seems to be forcing teams to go a bit more man to man, which encourages kick passing. I know a simple catch in the chest from a 20 yard pass and then kicking a score from the mark isn't hugely attractive, but a full forward catching a great ball and being surrounded by 4 defenders and getting blown up for over carrying isn't a great watch either.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 24/05/2021 20:21:46    2345162

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I'm all for teams continuing to drop players back into their defense, while usually in the process of losing the game at the time.. genius stuff

Its funny how many ignore their own counties ineptitude while bemoaning Dublins far more tactically super efforts

Yiz can't see the wood for the trees

Long may it past

Bemoaning success while ignoring their own shortcomings.

It's the stuff of losers.

Long may it continue though.. plays right into Dublins masterful application.

They'd rather see rule changes then actually address their failure.

Dublin addressed their own short comings without looking to tie together our oppositions boot laces.

Yep.. tis loser talk.

No doubt about it."
Since 2003 Dublin have addressed their own failures hand in hand with The GAA who asked Dublin what they wanted, how much it would cost and when Dublin would have their blueprints (no pun intended) ready so as The GAA could fund it indefinitely. Dublin have been reaping the rewards ever since and you can't blame them jimbo.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/05/2021 20:26:00    2345165

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's obvious that all these lads advocating the excessive use of the lowest "skill" in the game, either never played or were very poor footballers, ditch players. "
Well AfricanGael we're waiting. Show us your medals or are you as big a bluffer as KillingFields?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/05/2021 20:27:52    2345167

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Replying To centerfield:  "This passing the ball around the place timewasting has gone beyond a joke. Teams get 3-4 pts up towards the end and starts playing keep ball for 5-6 min.

Max pass limit should be put into place in rules.

e.g after 8 passes you must shoot. if team doesn't shoot possession given to opposition keeper.

Will force teams to attack not mind their lead"
That's fair enough, it might work at inter county level with all the officials, but at club level a referee has enough to be doing without having to count passes?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 24/05/2021 20:29:47    2345169

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I'm all for teams continuing to drop players back into their defense, while usually in the process of losing the game at the time.. genius stuff

Its funny how many ignore their own counties ineptitude while bemoaning Dublins far more tactically super efforts

Yiz can't see the wood for the trees

Long may it past

Bemoaning success while ignoring their own shortcomings.

It's the stuff of losers.

Long may it continue though.. plays right into Dublins masterful application.

They'd rather see rule changes then actually address their failure.

Dublin addressed their own short comings without looking to tie together our oppositions boot laces.

Yep.. tis loser talk.

No doubt about it."
"Dublin addressed their own short comings without looking to tie together our oppositions boot laces."



Yeah. To the tune of about €17million and counting!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/05/2021 20:35:54    2345172

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Replying To Soma:  "I don't know why so many here are against the advanced mark. For a start it's rare that you would get more than 2-3 in a game, if it was as easy to do as lads make out it would be happening alot more often. It also seems to be forcing teams to go a bit more man to man, which encourages kick passing. I know a simple catch in the chest from a 20 yard pass and then kicking a score from the mark isn't hugely attractive, but a full forward catching a great ball and being surrounded by 4 defenders and getting blown up for over carrying isn't a great watch either."
But those defensive duals are an attractive part of the game and they're dying out with this advanced mark rule. The art of man marking has been dealt a serious blow and I think that takes away from the game more than a player winning the ball and having to think fast like an elite player should. Its a few less stops to a game ever increasing with stoppages when it used to be known for its fast free flowing nature which is a great selling point for the game that we're losing.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 24/05/2021 22:37:10    2345219

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