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This passing the ball around the place timewasting has gone beyond a joke. Teams get 3-4 pts up towards the end and starts playing keep ball for 5-6 min.

Max pass limit should be put into place in rules.

e.g after 8 passes you must shoot. if team doesn't shoot possession given to opposition keeper.

Will force teams to attack not mind their lead

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 24/05/2021 10:40:57    2344860

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Replying To centerfield:  "This passing the ball around the place timewasting has gone beyond a joke. Teams get 3-4 pts up towards the end and starts playing keep ball for 5-6 min.

Max pass limit should be put into place in rules.

e.g after 8 passes you must shoot. if team doesn't shoot possession given to opposition keeper.

Will force teams to attack not mind their lead"
Why this need to micro manage things in the game to such minute detail. Never mind giving something else for already overworked refs to try keep an eye on. How do you honestly police this one? Fix the problem, not the end result. It's on the team without the ball to get it back if they're down by 3 or 4...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 24/05/2021 10:56:33    2344868

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Why this need to micro manage things in the game to such minute detail. Never mind giving something else for already overworked refs to try keep an eye on. How do you honestly police this one? Fix the problem, not the end result. It's on the team without the ball to get it back if they're down by 3 or 4..."
How do you police 4 steps, you count them

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 24/05/2021 11:15:08    2344877

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Why this need to micro manage things in the game to such minute detail. Never mind giving something else for already overworked refs to try keep an eye on. How do you honestly police this one? Fix the problem, not the end result. It's on the team without the ball to get it back if they're down by 3 or 4..."
Exactly, teams can go get the ball instead of having 14 players in their own half and 1 man chasing the balls. Can we not just leave the rules alone? Teams/ managers will figure it out.

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 584 - 24/05/2021 11:17:16    2344880

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Replying To achara:  "Exactly, teams can go get the ball instead of having 14 players in their own half and 1 man chasing the balls. Can we not just leave the rules alone? Teams/ managers will figure it out."
well they haven't figured it out over the last 3 years?

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 24/05/2021 11:24:01    2344884

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Replying To centerfield:  "How do you police 4 steps, you count them"
I mean counting 8 passes, that can take place over 20 seconds ort longer, and you've the ref trying to keep count of that along with everything else going on. 4 steps takes place over a second and is easily counted quickly. They'll clearly get it wrong a lot of the time, like they did with that trial rule of a kick pass after 3 fist passes. We saw many times a team pulled after a 3rd pass when the refs thought it was a 4th (and the other way round too), how on earth are we expecting them to correctly call 8 passes in a big championship match with lots going on around them?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 24/05/2021 11:30:43    2344888

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We don't need more rules, we need to get rid of some rules like the palmed in goal, the forward mark etc. imo.
these refs have a hard enough time trying to ref the games as it is, a team passing around time wasting is annoying but it's just part of the game. There is a skill to it as well keeping possession like that.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3311 - 24/05/2021 11:32:19    2344890

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It's an absolute joke and requires urgent attention. If you are attacking you should not be able to pass the ball back into your own half, that is a very easy rule to implement

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 24/05/2021 11:39:38    2344893

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Agree something needs to be done or all teams will end up trying to replicate the pre-programmed cyborgs who have perfected the keep ball hand passing puke that we are witnessing

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 105 - 24/05/2021 11:59:19    2344900

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "We don't need more rules, we need to get rid of some rules like the palmed in goal, the forward mark etc. imo.
these refs have a hard enough time trying to ref the games as it is, a team passing around time wasting is annoying but it's just part of the game. There is a skill to it as well keeping possession like that."
I agree. I'd get rid of forward mark, square ball, fisted scores, black cards. Scoring frees have to be taken from ground. As for keeping possession the obvious answer is to allow the existing tackle within rules to be allowed, so fair shoulder to shoulder tackle, knocking ball out actually to be allowed rather than blown up.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 24/05/2021 12:00:38    2344901

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "Agree something needs to be done or all teams will end up trying to replicate the pre-programmed cyborgs who have perfected the keep ball hand passing puke that we are witnessing"
A bit harsh. The games that I saw at the weekend were top class entertainment. Dublin did their usual and tried to wind down the clock for the last ten minutes against Kerry but other than that I was thoroughly entertained by the games I saw. The negativity about football has been excessive for years. That needs to change.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 24/05/2021 12:05:32    2344904

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I wouldn't go as far as saying a team must shoot but a simple rule like a maximum of two hand passes in a row is very simple to enforce, we need to get the kick passing skills back into the game, but there's more to it than that also. Lets be honest about it, hand passing is right at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to skills of Gaelic football.

There was a passage of play yesterday in the second half where Dublin were very close to the Kerry goal and within 30 seconds they had passed the ball out to the middle of the field, I honesty thought I had lost it and they were playing the other way.

How people can say this is good football is beyond me, they clearly never played the game at any level, and I always found it was players who were never very good at the game who shouted loudest in their praises of of hand passing, it was always helpful in camouflaging their lack of kick passing ability.

Of course you need a certain amount of hand passing but ultimately I believe Dublin's obsession with this basement "skill" will lead to their downfall.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/05/2021 12:29:41    2344917

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "I wouldn't go as far as saying a team must shoot but a simple rule like a maximum of two hand passes in a row is very simple to enforce, we need to get the kick passing skills back into the game, but there's more to it than that also. Lets be honest about it, hand passing is right at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to skills of Gaelic football.

There was a passage of play yesterday in the second half where Dublin were very close to the Kerry goal and within 30 seconds they had passed the ball out to the middle of the field, I honesty thought I had lost it and they were playing the other way.

How people can say this is good football is beyond me, they clearly never played the game at any level, and I always found it was players who were never very good at the game who shouted loudest in their praises of of hand passing, it was always helpful in camouflaging their lack of kick passing ability.

Of course you need a certain amount of hand passing but ultimately I believe Dublin's obsession with this basement "skill" will lead to their downfall.

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Dublin were winding down the clock pure and simple. Their skill levels are very high. They are also extremely will organised and in great physical condition. Mentally Dublin are very, very tough. They never panic. Limiting the number of hand passes will only encourage teams to drop back and wait for the kick. The game is much more open in recent times. Leave it alone. Let it evolve and stop this constant meddling with the rules.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 24/05/2021 12:52:05    2344930

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Replying To centerfield:  "This passing the ball around the place timewasting has gone beyond a joke. Teams get 3-4 pts up towards the end and starts playing keep ball for 5-6 min.

Max pass limit should be put into place in rules.

e.g after 8 passes you must shoot. if team doesn't shoot possession given to opposition keeper.

Will force teams to attack not mind their lead"
There's enough stupid rules without another one. Teams are let passing the ball about by the opposition, players staying back and trying to do blanket defence and they are 3 or 4 points down. Numbers no jerseys now must mean nothing, pick up a man and stay on him and don't let all this unnecessary passing take place.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2368 - 24/05/2021 12:53:38    2344932

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I'd bin a lot of the rules as they are, not bring more in. If a team has played well enough to be a few points ahead and wants to retain possession then they are fully entitled to do so in my opinion.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9869 - 24/05/2021 12:56:25    2344933

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I see many of you here also saying about wholesale changes they'd like to make to the game. While I'd agree on removing certain aspects like black cards, forward marks etc. I think our game is where it needs to be. I do not want anything like certain number of passes, can't go back inside your 45 once you're outside it etc. There is no need for any of that, the game is in a good place, make it simpler if anything, not more confusing.

Something people here do is think the game was better years ago. Newsflash, it wasn't. It is far better now, the quality of play and scoring is consistently far superior to anything we've ever seen previously. Yeah sure the odd TG4 gold match looks like it was all great, but it wasn't always and they are a selection of the very best matches in the past. Many of those games in past eras were brutal, as some YouTube matches of old now show us. Lots of games these days are way better consistently. Stop tinkering with things too much, or make it simpler if anything. The past wasn't as good as we think

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 24/05/2021 13:00:39    2344935

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Replying To the_creeler:  "It's an absolute joke and requires urgent attention. If you are attacking you should not be able to pass the ball back into your own half, that is a very easy rule to implement"
Addressing the symptom, not the disease. If the defending team kept even three of their forwards in fwd positions it would certainly negate the backward pass and go along way to negating the keep ball. As long as defending teams have 14 players in their own half it takes time and patience to chisel out a scoring chance. Limiting the number and direction of passes will only result in more blanket defence.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 963 - 24/05/2021 13:20:53    2344945

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I see many of you here also saying about wholesale changes they'd like to make to the game. While I'd agree on removing certain aspects like black cards, forward marks etc. I think our game is where it needs to be. I do not want anything like certain number of passes, can't go back inside your 45 once you're outside it etc. There is no need for any of that, the game is in a good place, make it simpler if anything, not more confusing.

Something people here do is think the game was better years ago. Newsflash, it wasn't. It is far better now, the quality of play and scoring is consistently far superior to anything we've ever seen previously. Yeah sure the odd TG4 gold match looks like it was all great, but it wasn't always and they are a selection of the very best matches in the past. Many of those games in past eras were brutal, as some YouTube matches of old now show us. Lots of games these days are way better consistently. Stop tinkering with things too much, or make it simpler if anything. The past wasn't as good as we think"
You'd be hard pressed to fit any of the current era games into a TG4 gold match apart from some of the recent AI finals, the game is a defensive nightmare at the minute.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 24/05/2021 13:21:12    2344946

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Replying To Greengrass:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "I wouldn't go as far as saying a team must shoot but a simple rule like a maximum of two hand passes in a row is very simple to enforce, we need to get the kick passing skills back into the game, but there's more to it than that also. Lets be honest about it, hand passing is right at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to skills of Gaelic football.

There was a passage of play yesterday in the second half where Dublin were very close to the Kerry goal and within 30 seconds they had passed the ball out to the middle of the field, I honesty thought I had lost it and they were playing the other way.

How people can say this is good football is beyond me, they clearly never played the game at any level, and I always found it was players who were never very good at the game who shouted loudest in their praises of of hand passing, it was always helpful in camouflaging their lack of kick passing ability.

Of course you need a certain amount of hand passing but ultimately I believe Dublin's obsession with this basement "skill" will lead to their downfall.

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Dublin were winding down the clock pure and simple. Their skill levels are very high. They are also extremely will organised and in great physical condition. Mentally Dublin are very, very tough. They never panic. Limiting the number of hand passes will only encourage teams to drop back and wait for the kick. The game is much more open in recent times. Leave it alone. Let it evolve and stop this constant meddling with the rules."
Winding down the clock with 20 plus minutes left of a league game ? I've heard it all now. :-).

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/05/2021 13:23:16    2344947

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Replying To tyroneed:  "I agree. I'd get rid of forward mark, square ball, fisted scores, black cards. Scoring frees have to be taken from ground. As for keeping possession the obvious answer is to allow the existing tackle within rules to be allowed, so fair shoulder to shoulder tackle, knocking ball out actually to be allowed rather than blown up."
The forward mark is rubbish but how about if you do call a mark then you must take the resultant free awarded from the ground and it must be an attempt at goalposts. No passing back, passing sideways, if it drops short on the square then it is adding to the excitement. It might stop some players calling the mark as they'd be no use taking a free from the ground. And you have 15 secs or less to take it or it is a free out.
Fisted scores should be done away with unless the it is directly from a ball in etc and you don't catch it first.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 24/05/2021 13:25:16    2344950

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