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He's only 22 and he's carrying this kerry team so he's not doing too bad, he missed a few chances v Cork in PUC in an awful night for a football match, and management didn't do him any favours by the way they setup against Cork.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/05/2021 21:23:57 2343490 Link 1 |
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Clifford kicked a vital last minute free against dublin in last years league game in Croke Park.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/05/2021 21:26:40 2343492 Link 1 |
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And there you have it. Those two handy frees meant a loss at the end of the day. That's the difference top free takers make.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 21:41:22 2343495 Link 1 |
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Sean O Shea also missed what would be considered "handy" for him yet you seem to have no problem with that. Why's that? What exactly is your issue with Clifford? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2021 21:51:49 2343502 Link 1 |
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That doesn't make him a Seanie O Shea.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 22:05:33 2343505 Link 1 |
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All the better players have misses. Michael Murphy (one of the greats), Cillian O'Connor, Connolly, Cooper, Matt O'Connor, Sheehy, Joyce, Denny Allen, have missed when the games were on the line. On the long run they have scored more than they missed. They are just part of the team and cannot be expected to do more than their fair share.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 19/05/2021 22:12:59 2343509 Link 1 |
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I think tis you has the issue with Clifford to be honest.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 20/05/2021 09:18:05 2343537 Link 1 |
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You're the dismissing everything he's done not me. You still haven't answered the question had Sean O Shea done the same things as Clifford would you find fault with it? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2021 09:43:56 2343539 Link 0 |
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Not dismissing anything. Just pointing out why I'd prefer O Shea. By the way , I did point out that I didn't bring O Shea into the discussion which you suggested I had. You cannot seem to accept anyone having a different viewpoint and asking hypothetical questions which are pointless. Move on lad you do seem to have issues. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 20/05/2021 10:21:16 2343550 Link 1 |
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Seánie shea also missed a free and a 45 in that game so there you go Jim. So Seánie and Clifford both missed frees and both scored frees in that game, I think both are equally important on our team as they work really hard and are very unselfish in their play and we're lucky to have them like we were lucky to have Declan Ó'Sullivan and the Gooch before them.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/05/2021 10:34:04 2343555 Link 1 |
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Lads, can you please let this thread disappear down the page :) A separate O'Shea vs Clifford thread can be set up if ye feel very strongly about that debate. The game was painful enough, without having to be reminded of it every time I open the main forum! WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2033 - 20/05/2021 11:02:11 2343566 Link 0 |
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You've managed to find fault with most things he's done. Even saying that he's been lucky with scores he's got. So yes you are dismissing him. I think it's you who's got a problem with other peoples views. Anyone who's put one forward youve dismissed. Again with the Cork game why have you no issues with frees Sean O Shea missed but do when it's Clifford? Surely that's a simple question to answer? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2021 11:07:05 2343567 Link 2 |
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The goal v Monaghan was lucky don't be kidding yourself. It's not dismissive it's just a fact. O Shea is a better free taker that's what I'm stating. Don't be so defensive to others pointing out the reasons for their opinion. You need to get past that block. It's holding you back. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 20/05/2021 12:21:01 2343594 Link 1 |
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You know what ? You're dead right. Some of these Kerry boys are just not able to accept anyone else having an opinion. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 20/05/2021 12:53:28 2343614 Link 2 |
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We've certainly turned a corner when a Kerryman describes a free, (last minute equaliser or not)in a league game as vital!!!
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 20/05/2021 13:07:48 2343627 Link 2 |
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It was a vital free for us to get the draw against the dubs in Croke Park , if he didn't score it we'd have lost the game, that seems like a pretty vital free to me. It wasn't that many years ago jimbo was counting all the dublin league games as vital to over taking Kerrys unbeaten run that we got back in the 1930s :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/05/2021 13:34:47 2343641 Link 0 |
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I'd actually prefer Deano, woefully underrated as a player. One of the very best. From open and closed play.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 20/05/2021 13:57:46 2343648 Link 1 |
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On the question of soccer skills on the GAA field who do you think will be the first to do the skip while taking a penalty like Fernandes or even a headed goal which would be better than those horrible palmed goals.On a serious note I don't think scores with the hand or fist should be allowed. gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 20/05/2021 14:04:49 2343651 Link 0 |
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I absolutely agree it was a vital score/free, just making the point that the traditional Kerry way, from Mick O'Dwyer to Pat Spillane has been to disregard the league and league performances with tut tuts and disparaging comments, glad to see that some Kerrymen appreciate the league now!
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 20/05/2021 14:13:59 2343654 Link 0 |
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Can you head a goal in Gaelic football? I hate the palmed in goal, don't know how the hell they ever thought that was a good idea, it's like a smash in volleyball, I think a lot of fuss was made of Clifford's soccer style goal the last day, it was the natural thing to try the way the ball came to him, he finished it well but it was nothing to be getting carried away about. he is a very good player no doubt about that, he has along road ahead of him yet. he needs to do it on the big days for Kerry against the Dubs etc, the performance against Galway put in the last day is nothing to gauge anyone against, I can see why the Galway poster doesn't want this thread at the top of the national forum again and now I've done that again.. lol that hop and skip Fernandes does is stupid in my opinion, harder to score a pen in Gaelic anyway as the goals are smaller, suppose we'll see more pens now with this stupid new rule. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2737 - 20/05/2021 14:37:44 2343664 Link 0 |