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Replying To Richieq:  "Actually if you or any other hyper sensitive Lilywhites listened to McEntee's interviews after the game in their totality you would have heard him clearly acknowledge that the Meath performance was well below standard and that Kildare outplayed and indeed bullied Meath in the physical exchanges, the allegation around spitting in no way deflected from the performance which he accepted was poor, lacking in intensity and littered with missed chances where we had 11 shots in the first half and only scored 4, those are the type of issues at hand and I can tell you that the poor nature of the performance has not been in any way diluted in Meath which is where the opinion counts. And don't think you are without issues yourselves, after dominating a game for 95% of it and at one stage leading by 10 you were nearly brought to extra time by a Meath team that played somewhere near its potential for around 10 minutes and you can thank your goalie for an excellent save to prevent that extra time so I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops around the plains just yet either"
Ah I am a bit sensitive when an allegation of spitting is made against one of our players. I think it needs to be either proven or disproven. At the very least McEntee should clarify what exactly he was told happened and if he saw it. I'd know most of the team and have seen them play. The lads who were involved in the melee wouldn't have it in them to spit imho. They wouldn't be that type of player or person. A bit like McGill wouldn't be the type to act like he did.

I have no doubt, knowing McEntees previous form for deflecting that his decision to throw this in to the mix post match was designed to take the focus off him, not the team but him alone. He obviously has gotten team selections and tacticts wrong.

We were leading by ten and the fact we decided to pull up off the gas a little is worrying but we still won so hopefully it's tactical as much as anything. I'd doubt it with JOC to be honest. We were down to 14 also so again that is going to account partially for the mini collapse.

I wouldn't focus to much on stats Richieq either. They are really misleading. All well and good having so many shots but if they players can't them between the posts it means nothing.

I'd hope though that Meath and Kildare can eventually be in Division 1 at the same time as the Dubs. I think it's the only way the two teams can really build for the future.

You know I don't think the issues in Meath and KIldare are as massive as some people in both counties and externally like to make out. We have gotten promoted and Meath have also been in Division 1 recently. The issues now? Dublin will crucify us in Leinster like every year. The damaged that has caused over 10-11 years is huge and shouldn't be ignored either. I'd fancy Meath and Kildare to be close enough to Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan or Donegal on any given. We very rarely get to see that though in the championship.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3901 - 15/06/2021 16:19:35    2351183

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Replying To daytona11:  "Well that person is entitled to due process obviously.

I think a simple apology would suffice from Andy though."
I'm not so sure. Why shouldn't there be a process for McEntee to go through? It's a very serious allegation to make if, and I emphasis if, it isn't true.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 846 - 15/06/2021 16:20:03    2351184

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "I'm not taking sides or anything like that, just it was a very serious accusation to make about a player. Mc Gill was going for his man full on. He is as you say "now that type of player" or he was dead right simple as that. The onus is on the GAA to make McEntee clarify his accusation, don't you think"
I absolutely agree. There should be an investigation now to see if any spitting occurred. It's a really serious thing to accuse someone of, especially on a sports field. It's a low act but an equally low act to make the accusation if it's false. It's not the type of thing you can say about someone and just be let hang there.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 846 - 15/06/2021 16:23:25    2351186

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Replying To kildare73:  "I absolutely agree. There should be an investigation now to see if any spitting occurred. It's a really serious thing to accuse someone of, especially on a sports field. It's a low act but an equally low act to make the accusation if it's false. It's not the type of thing you can say about someone and just be let hang there."
This whole thing will die a death. If the officials missed the incident and there is no video evidence, then the alleged perpetrator will go unpunished (if he was guilty in the first place ?) and McGill will be the only one affected by the whole incident, having received a red card (wrongly if the spitting took place).

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 242 - 15/06/2021 16:42:12    2351194

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Replying To daytona11:  "I'd tend to agree. But for Donie Vaughans moment of madness Mayo surely would have gotten over the line."
We might have. We love a scapegoat and have many from Pat McEneaney to Robbie Hennelly to John Madden to Pat Holmes to Stephen Rochford to the Breaffy mafia etc. Other teams have won All Irelands after having a man sent off. My mate tells me every May that the only team that'll beat Mayo that summer is Mayo. There's some truth in that.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6091 - 15/06/2021 17:03:40    2351202

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Most of the time I agree the better team wins but not always. Sometimes referee can make mistakes at crucial times and that bit of luck goes against you. Even in 14 replay v Kerry the ref was much kinder to us. However I do think Green and red the way Mayo play is the future is the proper way to beat a team like Dublin or Kerry for that matter."
Cheers Mick. What a night that was in Limerick, an unbelievable atmosphere and a great game of football. I think some of these young lads coming through have plenty of skills, fearlessness and a bit of arrogance needed. If we get a bit tighter at the back we'll hopefully have a long summer.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6091 - 15/06/2021 17:12:48    2351206

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Replying To daytona11:  "Ah I am a bit sensitive when an allegation of spitting is made against one of our players. I think it needs to be either proven or disproven. At the very least McEntee should clarify what exactly he was told happened and if he saw it. I'd know most of the team and have seen them play. The lads who were involved in the melee wouldn't have it in them to spit imho. They wouldn't be that type of player or person. A bit like McGill wouldn't be the type to act like he did.

I have no doubt, knowing McEntees previous form for deflecting that his decision to throw this in to the mix post match was designed to take the focus off him, not the team but him alone. He obviously has gotten team selections and tacticts wrong.

We were leading by ten and the fact we decided to pull up off the gas a little is worrying but we still won so hopefully it's tactical as much as anything. I'd doubt it with JOC to be honest. We were down to 14 also so again that is going to account partially for the mini collapse.

I wouldn't focus to much on stats Richieq either. They are really misleading. All well and good having so many shots but if they players can't them between the posts it means nothing.

I'd hope though that Meath and Kildare can eventually be in Division 1 at the same time as the Dubs. I think it's the only way the two teams can really build for the future.

You know I don't think the issues in Meath and KIldare are as massive as some people in both counties and externally like to make out. We have gotten promoted and Meath have also been in Division 1 recently. The issues now? Dublin will crucify us in Leinster like every year. The damaged that has caused over 10-11 years is huge and shouldn't be ignored either. I'd fancy Meath and Kildare to be close enough to Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan or Donegal on any given. We very rarely get to see that though in the championship."
Can understand standing up for your player, its going to be very difficult to resolve this to everybodys liking. Think it all started by ball being kicked away and then all hell broke loose, something must have happened ( not saying spitting took place) for McGill to totally go for it. However if TV camera had picked it up surely it would be out there by now. In normal times maybe someone in crowd would have recorded incident. GAA needs to interview all concerned and at least attempt to address issue.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1575 - 15/06/2021 17:40:42    2351211

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Cheers Mick. What a night that was in Limerick, an unbelievable atmosphere and a great game of football. I think some of these young lads coming through have plenty of skills, fearlessness and a bit of arrogance needed. If we get a bit tighter at the back we'll hopefully have a long summer."
Thanks Green and Red and you are so right. The atmosphere in Limerick that day was the best I've come across. It was electric and the weather helped too. Yeah roll on a long summer P. G.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1884 - 15/06/2021 17:52:35    2351216

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "This whole thing will die a death. If the officials missed the incident and there is no video evidence, then the alleged perpetrator will go unpunished (if he was guilty in the first place ?) and McGill will be the only one affected by the whole incident, having received a red card (wrongly if the spitting took place)."
You are probably right but either the act, or the allegation, is a horrible one.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 846 - 15/06/2021 17:55:17    2351219

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "This whole thing will die a death. If the officials missed the incident and there is no video evidence, then the alleged perpetrator will go unpunished (if he was guilty in the first place ?) and McGill will be the only one affected by the whole incident, having received a red card (wrongly if the spitting took place)."
If there was spitting it is indeed a travesty that the perpetrator will not be punished. However there is no GAA rule exempting a player from receiving a red card on the grounds of provocation so like it or not McGill's repeated striking of the Kildare player is clearly a red card offence.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 300 - 15/06/2021 18:42:28    2351233

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