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OTM, this might be a stupid question but didn't the Munster QF of LIM v CLA double up as the league final... Think Hannon was awarded the league trophy after the match. Unique times i guess"]Since there are two Divisions it is impossible to have one top team. Last year Limerick headed one group of five and Clare headed the other Correct, but Limerick finished on 10 points and Clare on 9, so it's not impossible at all. "]Playing different teams, are you for real?"]Playing different teams, are you for real?" Sure you could make that silly argument about anything, about one province being more difficult than another or that such a team had a home game against the same opponent that your team played away, you could go on and on to find excuses, but if you want to persist in such a silly argument then how about this, Limerick were in a group with far better teams than Clare and still picked up more points, so no matter what way you look at your point, you're wrong about it."]Favourites have often lost major matches. Your argument falls at the first fence, which a very low uneventful one."]What has a statement like "Favorites have often lost major matches" got to do with which team should be crowned league champions ? We are talking about last years league, the games are over , played, finished and you come out with a nonsensical soundbite, but if you're able to expand in a cohesive way then go ahead, the floor is yours, but please rise yourself up above troll type soundbites. My position is very clear regarding Leagues of any kind, you pick up the most points having played the same amount of games as your opponents, you win the league, not so difficult to understand is it, obviously other criteria is used in the case of a tie. You don't seem to realize "League Finals" are just a money making racket do you. Maybe Rangers should have a League Final with Celtic, have an off day and get beaten and Celtic be crowned champions, even though they are 20 or so points behind, in the greedy GAA world all that would matter was the money it would make, forget about fairness, it's all about the money. But go on anyway.....have your say, I'm all ears. "]The twenty points analogy does not matter. If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters. Anyway the team with twenty points of a lead, on the table, should win the League and if they did not then they would not be worthy champions anyway. When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 23/04/2021 22:37:49 2338579 Link 0 |
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How can the Gaa mess up the league with only 4 teams in a group, everyone should have 1 home match, 1 away match and 1 at a neutral ground, but no some teams have 2 home games. What a shit show. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 23/04/2021 23:08:04 2338584 Link 0 |
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Don't worry I'm well aware of the league structure in Hurling which I find totally nonsensical. What is the point in having teams like Westmeath and Carlow for example in the same league as the likes of Limerick, Galway, Tipperary and Clare when the logical thing to do is have the top 6 in Div 1 for example and so on. This Div 1A, Div 1B is total rubbish, teams getting beat by 20 plus points, absolute joke, and you talk about leagues of the same level ? Can't you see it's all about the money.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 23/04/2021 23:15:14 2338585 Link 0 |
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Don't worry I'm well aware of the league structure in Hurling which I find totally nonsensical. What is the point in having teams like Westmeath and Carlow for example in the same league as the likes of Limerick, Galway, Tipperary and Clare when the logical thing to do is have the top 6 in Div 1 for example and so on. This Div 1A, Div 1B is total rubbish, teams getting beat by 20 plus points, absolute joke, and you talk about leagues of the same level ? Can't you see it's all about the money. "]But AG, and this a serious question. If you have six teams in Division one, which teams would they be. At the moment those might consist of say Limerick, Waterford, (as All Ireland And Munster Finalists, they are nailed down), Clare (Last years League Finalist) Kilkenny (Leinster Champs), Galway as Leinster Finalists and having lost the A I Semi Final narrowly are next choice and I would suggest Tipp as the 2019 Champs. Immediately you have Cork Dublin and Wexford relegated. I cannot see any ideal system, it really does not exist. You can hardly have nine Teams in the one division- although that would be a true League- because that would involve even more games- and funny enough in making more money for the GAA-.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 24/04/2021 09:57:24 2338604 Link 0 |
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OTM, this might be a stupid question but didn't the Munster QF of LIM v CLA double up as the league final... Think Hannon was awarded the league trophy after the match. Unique times i guess"]Since there are two Divisions it is impossible to have one top team. Last year Limerick headed one group of five and Clare headed the other Correct, but Limerick finished on 10 points and Clare on 9, so it's not impossible at all. "]Playing different teams, are you for real?"]Playing different teams, are you for real?" Sure you could make that silly argument about anything, about one province being more difficult than another or that such a team had a home game against the same opponent that your team played away, you could go on and on to find excuses, but if you want to persist in such a silly argument then how about this, Limerick were in a group with far better teams than Clare and still picked up more points, so no matter what way you look at your point, you're wrong about it."]Favourites have often lost major matches. Your argument falls at the first fence, which a very low uneventful one."]What has a statement like "Favorites have often lost major matches" got to do with which team should be crowned league champions ? We are talking about last years league, the games are over , played, finished and you come out with a nonsensical soundbite, but if you're able to expand in a cohesive way then go ahead, the floor is yours, but please rise yourself up above troll type soundbites. My position is very clear regarding Leagues of any kind, you pick up the most points having played the same amount of games as your opponents, you win the league, not so difficult to understand is it, obviously other criteria is used in the case of a tie. You don't seem to realize "League Finals" are just a money making racket do you. Maybe Rangers should have a League Final with Celtic, have an off day and get beaten and Celtic be crowned champions, even though they are 20 or so points behind, in the greedy GAA world all that would matter was the money it would make, forget about fairness, it's all about the money. But go on anyway.....have your say, I'm all ears. "]The twenty points analogy does not matter. If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters. Anyway the team with twenty points of a lead, on the table, should win the League and if they did not then they would not be worthy champions anyway. When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days."]You said earlier that "Favorites have often lost major matches" which we all know is true, but you also say "When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days", one statement contradicts the other. You also say "If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters", that's where our opinions differ. You see I don't think that's all that matters at all, I think what matters most is fairness. People have spoken a lot about the proposed ESL breakaway in the last few days, about it not being sport if you can't get relegated etc. Well the way the GAA have set up the NFL isn't much different, it makes sure the top teams will never get relegated, we'll stick in the likes of Carlow and Westmeath with them as fodder. It's total manipulation and totally unfair.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/04/2021 10:16:27 2338605 Link 0 |
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OTM, this might be a stupid question but didn't the Munster QF of LIM v CLA double up as the league final... Think Hannon was awarded the league trophy after the match. Unique times i guess"]Since there are two Divisions it is impossible to have one top team. Last year Limerick headed one group of five and Clare headed the other Correct, but Limerick finished on 10 points and Clare on 9, so it's not impossible at all. "]Playing different teams, are you for real?"]Playing different teams, are you for real?" Sure you could make that silly argument about anything, about one province being more difficult than another or that such a team had a home game against the same opponent that your team played away, you could go on and on to find excuses, but if you want to persist in such a silly argument then how about this, Limerick were in a group with far better teams than Clare and still picked up more points, so no matter what way you look at your point, you're wrong about it."]Favourites have often lost major matches. Your argument falls at the first fence, which a very low uneventful one."]What has a statement like "Favorites have often lost major matches" got to do with which team should be crowned league champions ? We are talking about last years league, the games are over , played, finished and you come out with a nonsensical soundbite, but if you're able to expand in a cohesive way then go ahead, the floor is yours, but please rise yourself up above troll type soundbites. My position is very clear regarding Leagues of any kind, you pick up the most points having played the same amount of games as your opponents, you win the league, not so difficult to understand is it, obviously other criteria is used in the case of a tie. You don't seem to realize "League Finals" are just a money making racket do you. Maybe Rangers should have a League Final with Celtic, have an off day and get beaten and Celtic be crowned champions, even though they are 20 or so points behind, in the greedy GAA world all that would matter was the money it would make, forget about fairness, it's all about the money. But go on anyway.....have your say, I'm all ears. "]The twenty points analogy does not matter. If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters. Anyway the team with twenty points of a lead, on the table, should win the League and if they did not then they would not be worthy champions anyway. When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days."]You said earlier that "Favorites have often lost major matches" which we all know is true, but you also say "When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days", one statement contradicts the other. You also say "If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters", that's where our opinions differ. You see I don't think that's all that matters at all, I think what matters most is fairness. People have spoken a lot about the proposed ESL breakaway in the last few days, about it not being sport if you can't get relegated etc. Well the way the GAA have set up the NFL isn't much different, it makes sure the top teams will never get relegated, we'll stick in the likes of Carlow and Westmeath with them as fodder. It's total manipulation and totally unfair."]NHL should I say.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/04/2021 12:22:21 2338616 Link 0 |
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OTM, this might be a stupid question but didn't the Munster QF of LIM v CLA double up as the league final... Think Hannon was awarded the league trophy after the match. Unique times i guess"]Since there are two Divisions it is impossible to have one top team. Last year Limerick headed one group of five and Clare headed the other Correct, but Limerick finished on 10 points and Clare on 9, so it's not impossible at all. "]Playing different teams, are you for real?"]Playing different teams, are you for real?" Sure you could make that silly argument about anything, about one province being more difficult than another or that such a team had a home game against the same opponent that your team played away, you could go on and on to find excuses, but if you want to persist in such a silly argument then how about this, Limerick were in a group with far better teams than Clare and still picked up more points, so no matter what way you look at your point, you're wrong about it."]Favourites have often lost major matches. Your argument falls at the first fence, which a very low uneventful one."]What has a statement like "Favorites have often lost major matches" got to do with which team should be crowned league champions ? We are talking about last years league, the games are over , played, finished and you come out with a nonsensical soundbite, but if you're able to expand in a cohesive way then go ahead, the floor is yours, but please rise yourself up above troll type soundbites. My position is very clear regarding Leagues of any kind, you pick up the most points having played the same amount of games as your opponents, you win the league, not so difficult to understand is it, obviously other criteria is used in the case of a tie. You don't seem to realize "League Finals" are just a money making racket do you. Maybe Rangers should have a League Final with Celtic, have an off day and get beaten and Celtic be crowned champions, even though they are 20 or so points behind, in the greedy GAA world all that would matter was the money it would make, forget about fairness, it's all about the money. But go on anyway.....have your say, I'm all ears. "]The twenty points analogy does not matter. If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters. Anyway the team with twenty points of a lead, on the table, should win the League and if they did not then they would not be worthy champions anyway. When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days."]You said earlier that "Favorites have often lost major matches" which we all know is true, but you also say "When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days", one statement contradicts the other. You also say "If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters", that's where our opinions differ. You see I don't think that's all that matters at all, I think what matters most is fairness. People have spoken a lot about the proposed ESL breakaway in the last few days, about it not being sport if you can't get relegated etc. Well the way the GAA have set up the NFL isn't much different, it makes sure the top teams will never get relegated, we'll stick in the likes of Carlow and Westmeath with them as fodder. It's total manipulation and totally unfair."]Well at different stages Limerick, Galway Wexford, Clare and Dublin have all been relegated and Cork have gone close enough
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 24/04/2021 13:02:04 2338618 Link 0 |
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OTM, this might be a stupid question but didn't the Munster QF of LIM v CLA double up as the league final... Think Hannon was awarded the league trophy after the match. Unique times i guess"]Since there are two Divisions it is impossible to have one top team. Last year Limerick headed one group of five and Clare headed the other Correct, but Limerick finished on 10 points and Clare on 9, so it's not impossible at all. "]Playing different teams, are you for real?"]Playing different teams, are you for real?" Sure you could make that silly argument about anything, about one province being more difficult than another or that such a team had a home game against the same opponent that your team played away, you could go on and on to find excuses, but if you want to persist in such a silly argument then how about this, Limerick were in a group with far better teams than Clare and still picked up more points, so no matter what way you look at your point, you're wrong about it."]Favourites have often lost major matches. Your argument falls at the first fence, which a very low uneventful one."]What has a statement like "Favorites have often lost major matches" got to do with which team should be crowned league champions ? We are talking about last years league, the games are over , played, finished and you come out with a nonsensical soundbite, but if you're able to expand in a cohesive way then go ahead, the floor is yours, but please rise yourself up above troll type soundbites. My position is very clear regarding Leagues of any kind, you pick up the most points having played the same amount of games as your opponents, you win the league, not so difficult to understand is it, obviously other criteria is used in the case of a tie. You don't seem to realize "League Finals" are just a money making racket do you. Maybe Rangers should have a League Final with Celtic, have an off day and get beaten and Celtic be crowned champions, even though they are 20 or so points behind, in the greedy GAA world all that would matter was the money it would make, forget about fairness, it's all about the money. But go on anyway.....have your say, I'm all ears. "]The twenty points analogy does not matter. If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters. Anyway the team with twenty points of a lead, on the table, should win the League and if they did not then they would not be worthy champions anyway. When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days."]You said earlier that "Favorites have often lost major matches" which we all know is true, but you also say "When the chips are down there should be no such thing as off days", one statement contradicts the other. You also say "If the conditions are set out from the start that is all that matters", that's where our opinions differ. You see I don't think that's all that matters at all, I think what matters most is fairness. People have spoken a lot about the proposed ESL breakaway in the last few days, about it not being sport if you can't get relegated etc. Well the way the GAA have set up the NFL isn't much different, it makes sure the top teams will never get relegated, we'll stick in the likes of Carlow and Westmeath with them as fodder. It's total manipulation and totally unfair."]Well at different stages Limerick, Galway Wexford, Clare and Dublin have all been relegated and Cork have gone close enough"]"Well at different stages Limerick, Galway Wexford, Clare and Dublin have all been relegated and Cork have gone close enough" And that's exactly why the GAA changed the format, to make sure that wouldn't happen again, which is unfair and manipulative.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/04/2021 14:28:02 2338626 Link 1 |
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Exactly. It makes perfect sense.
Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 24/04/2021 16:12:28 2338637 Link 0 |
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No All Ireland semi-finals or final?! That would be a terrible format IMO. You could have a situation where Dublin win sam with a game or 2 to spare and then end up playing dead rubbers before being presented with the cup. There would also be teams who are beaten in a couple of games and then lose interest in the remainder of the season as they can't win. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 24/04/2021 18:25:39 2338645 Link 0 |
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Leagues are a warm up for the big stuff. Not many people remember who won leagues but will always remember All- Irelands. If ye win ye win but the All Ireland is the Holy Grail. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 24/04/2021 19:48:54 2338653 Link 2 |
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Sorry yes obviously have all ireland semis and final. I thought that was self explanatory.
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 380 - 24/04/2021 20:23:33 2338656 Link 0 |
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What difference is it when wicklow loose first 3 games in league and can't go anywhere and then have Dublin first round of the championship compared to a league style championship and then a knockout provincial.
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 380 - 24/04/2021 20:25:16 2338657 Link 0 |
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I doubt the feelings mutual in Down
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 24/04/2021 21:05:18 2338662 Link 5 |
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The All-Ireland in it's current format is pure muck, absolute muck of a "competition", and it's one of the reasons so many counties are struggling for funds and worse. In my opinion, and I think it's a qualified comparative one, winning a senior club All-Ireland is a better achievement than winning Sam, now I'll admit that there are a few exceptions along the way, like Offaly beating Kerry in 1982. Let nobody tell me that the achievement of that Offaly team is no different than any other team who won the All-Ireland, especially in the last few years, it's like saying a Lisbon Lion medal is no different than a Champions League winning medal, won by Ronaldo or any of the Real Madrid players at the time, or that Celtics achievement was no different than any of Real Madrids. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/04/2021 21:06:47 2338663 Link 0 |
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Don't worry I'm well aware of the league structure in Hurling which I find totally nonsensical. What is the point in having teams like Westmeath and Carlow for example in the same league as the likes of Limerick, Galway, Tipperary and Clare when the logical thing to do is have the top 6 in Div 1 for example and so on. This Div 1A, Div 1B is total rubbish, teams getting beat by 20 plus points, absolute joke, and you talk about leagues of the same level ? Can't you see it's all about the money. "]But AG, and this a serious question. If you have six teams in Division one, which teams would they be. At the moment those might consist of say Limerick, Waterford, (as All Ireland And Munster Finalists, they are nailed down), Clare (Last years League Finalist) Kilkenny (Leinster Champs), Galway as Leinster Finalists and having lost the A I Semi Final narrowly are next choice and I would suggest Tipp as the 2019 Champs. Immediately you have Cork Dublin and Wexford relegated. I cannot see any ideal system, it really does not exist. You can hardly have nine Teams in the one division- although that would be a true League- because that would involve even more games- and funny enough in making more money for the GAA-."]I had actually meant to say 6 or 8 teams but left it at 6 because of the 6+6 in Groups A and B at the moment. But yes as you say, way not 9, an even better idea. With 9 you could also scrap the league final because there's already enough games involved and a greater likelihood that the league could go to the wire and be decided on the final day.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/04/2021 21:18:26 2338667 Link 0 |
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Agree 100%, the league title would be a big deal to a team that hasn't won any cup or title in a long time but to the big teams winning the league means almost nothing, it's just a warm up for the Championship, blood a few young players maybe and don't show your hand before championship, Tyrone V Donegal opening game in the league will likely be played like a friendly match, be a different story if we both make it to the Ulster semi final though. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2757 - 24/04/2021 21:53:46 2338671 Link 1 |
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Don't worry I'm well aware of the league structure in Hurling which I find totally nonsensical. What is the point in having teams like Westmeath and Carlow for example in the same league as the likes of Limerick, Galway, Tipperary and Clare when the logical thing to do is have the top 6 in Div 1 for example and so on. This Div 1A, Div 1B is total rubbish, teams getting beat by 20 plus points, absolute joke, and you talk about leagues of the same level ? Can't you see it's all about the money. "]But AG, and this a serious question. If you have six teams in Division one, which teams would they be. At the moment those might consist of say Limerick, Waterford, (as All Ireland And Munster Finalists, they are nailed down), Clare (Last years League Finalist) Kilkenny (Leinster Champs), Galway as Leinster Finalists and having lost the A I Semi Final narrowly are next choice and I would suggest Tipp as the 2019 Champs. Immediately you have Cork Dublin and Wexford relegated. I cannot see any ideal system, it really does not exist. You can hardly have nine Teams in the one division- although that would be a true League- because that would involve even more games- and funny enough in making more money for the GAA-."]I had actually meant to say 6 or 8 teams but left it at 6 because of the 6+6 in Groups A and B at the moment. But yes as you say, way not 9, an even better idea. With 9 you could also scrap the league final because there's already enough games involved and a greater likelihood that the league could go to the wire and be decided on the final day. "]Well we agree on that, but there would be complaints that there too many games already. However, if all the nine teams played there would be no need for a Quarter, semi final or final, so essentially speaking you would have each team playing 8 games, which is actually what the Finalists play now- well in normal circumstances. Yes possibly an interesting proposal.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 24/04/2021 22:03:51 2338673 Link 0 |
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Don't worry I'm well aware of the league structure in Hurling which I find totally nonsensical. What is the point in having teams like Westmeath and Carlow for example in the same league as the likes of Limerick, Galway, Tipperary and Clare when the logical thing to do is have the top 6 in Div 1 for example and so on. This Div 1A, Div 1B is total rubbish, teams getting beat by 20 plus points, absolute joke, and you talk about leagues of the same level ? Can't you see it's all about the money. "]But AG, and this a serious question. If you have six teams in Division one, which teams would they be. At the moment those might consist of say Limerick, Waterford, (as All Ireland And Munster Finalists, they are nailed down), Clare (Last years League Finalist) Kilkenny (Leinster Champs), Galway as Leinster Finalists and having lost the A I Semi Final narrowly are next choice and I would suggest Tipp as the 2019 Champs. Immediately you have Cork Dublin and Wexford relegated. I cannot see any ideal system, it really does not exist. You can hardly have nine Teams in the one division- although that would be a true League- because that would involve even more games- and funny enough in making more money for the GAA-."]I had actually meant to say 6 or 8 teams but left it at 6 because of the 6+6 in Groups A and B at the moment. But yes as you say, way not 9, an even better idea. With 9 you could also scrap the league final because there's already enough games involved and a greater likelihood that the league could go to the wire and be decided on the final day. "]Cork and Wexford were both in the 6 Division 1a when it was set up that way. The point to having some of the Mcdonagh Cup teams in 2 top division 1s is so their players get to play against better players more frequently and consequently bring the game on in those counties.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 25/04/2021 07:03:04 2338686 Link 0 |
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So only dub will be remembered?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/04/2021 08:21:36 2338688 Link 0 |