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The GAA And "Northern Ireland"

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I repeat. Northern Ireland, just like England, Scotland and Wale, are not sovereign states. The all make up The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is a unitary state."
And despite one seat at the UN, it is allowed 4 separate 'national' teams in international competition (or possibly only 3 by 2023 and 2 by 2030).

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2032 - 18/04/2021 18:33:24    2337729

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 141 - 18/04/2021 18:39:00    2337732

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Championship is all-Ireland and that's all we need to know.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8135 - 18/04/2021 18:39:56    2337733

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Replying To fainleog:  "How is it then that the Unionist vote is in decline in the six counties? With regard to people in the Republic of Ireland, opinion polls show a clear majority would support a United Ireland. But then the people you know is more
representative, LOL."
I am sharing with you my experience - family & friends GAA supporters north & south. Those who get up & work every day & those who vote. The fairy tale of a United ireland is just that, a fairy tale. Take yourself up from Limerick & spend a while up there & see if you would feel that you would want that baggage. But in the meantime keep singing Sean South

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 51 - 18/04/2021 18:46:26    2337735

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war."
Well of course not, and why would "we Irish" be allowed. That's a convenient hop between election and treaty.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 18/04/2021 19:19:20    2337737

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Replying To realdub:  "Championship is all-Ireland and that's all we need to know."
They may as well name it the All-Dublin. But sure who could begrudge Dublin, wouldn't Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo etc all have bought the same colanders had they been given the money as well, I'm praying Dublin win at least 10 in a row and more hopefully, and they'd be expected to as well, hopefully by that time there will be a united Ireland, and the GAA will be put in their rightful place in a new modern forward looking country, a mere parochial sporting organisation.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 18/04/2021 19:55:31    2337747

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Replying To realdub:  "Championship is all-Ireland and that's all we need to know."
That for sure is a big thing to our country men in Northern Ireland but outside of sport in their day to day lives probably feel we abandoned them. Especially the thousands who fought and died a long side us to attain freedom.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1444 - 18/04/2021 19:58:57    2337748

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To tireoghainabu:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war."
Well of course not, and why would "we Irish" be allowed. That's a convenient hop between election and treaty."]Those who negotiated the Treaty were representatives of the first Dáil which was made up of those elected in the 1918 election.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5489 - 18/04/2021 20:23:41    2337753

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "I am sharing with you my experience - family & friends GAA supporters north & south. Those who get up & work every day & those who vote. The fairy tale of a United ireland is just that, a fairy tale. Take yourself up from Limerick & spend a while up there & see if you would feel that you would want that baggage. But in the meantime keep singing Sean South"
Big red thumb, your a nasty bit of work. Plenty of baggage round Drogheda and Dundalk.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 650 - 18/04/2021 20:28:29    2337754

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Big red thumb, your a nasty bit of work. Plenty of baggage round Drogheda and Dundalk."
Only sharing what I think & what I know & I recognise It may not suit the victim narrative. But there you go.

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 51 - 18/04/2021 20:41:17    2337756

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "100% agree. Which is why the GAA need to start showing some leadership and start calling Northern Ireland and stop the nonsense they continue to go with. If that offends the sensitivities of the back woods men .... we'll that wouldn't be any harm. Leave them there fighting the battles of the past in their small minds."
You are pro-British and you are entitled to your position, its a democracy. Why do you need to call those who aspire to a United Ireland as "backwoods men," no doubt plenty of ladies would take exception to your intolerant politics. Nothing small minded about the 1916 Proclamation in fairness. Many Loyalists in the north are an embarrassment at the moment.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1086 - 18/04/2021 20:46:24    2337757

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Replying To Greengrass:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tireoghainabu:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war."
Well of course not, and why would "we Irish" be allowed. That's a convenient hop between election and treaty."]Those who negotiated the Treaty were representatives of the first Dáil which was made up of those elected in the 1918 election."]"Those who negotiated the Treaty were representatives of the first Dáil which was made up of those elected in the 1918 election."

Sure we all know that, although you should have said the "outlawed first Dáil" to give it some context.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 18/04/2021 20:55:49    2337760

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Replying To Greengrass:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tireoghainabu:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war."
Well of course not, and why would "we Irish" be allowed. That's a convenient hop between election and treaty."]Those who negotiated the Treaty were representatives of the first Dáil which was made up of those elected in the 1918 election."]You totally miss the point.
The Dail representatives were given the choice of accept the treaty or all out war.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 141 - 18/04/2021 21:01:52    2337762

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "They may as well name it the All-Dublin. But sure who could begrudge Dublin, wouldn't Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo etc all have bought the same colanders had they been given the money as well, I'm praying Dublin win at least 10 in a row and more hopefully, and they'd be expected to as well, hopefully by that time there will be a united Ireland, and the GAA will be put in their rightful place in a new modern forward looking country, a mere parochial sporting organisation."
What has your Dublin begrudgery got to do with my comment?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8135 - 18/04/2021 21:13:34    2337763

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "Look at who the elected representatives are in the north & explain to me how that society has progressed. Many catholics I know up there (professional & educated types) vote more in the unionist tradition as they are happy with the status quo & would never dream of voting SF. And most people that I know in the republic have no interest in reunification as they know it is merely a romantic aspiration in a ballad & would be detrimental to our global standing & economic progress. Maybe over in the UK, you know better?
Now address the economics of the dream please."
Now address the economics of the dream please Well to begin with taxes of course, like all other Western Democracies.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 18/04/2021 21:14:37    2337765

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Replying To Canuck:  "That for sure is a big thing to our country men in Northern Ireland but outside of sport in their day to day lives probably feel we abandoned them. Especially the thousands who fought and died a long side us to attain freedom."
Well very possibly but I'm only looking at it from the competition's perspective.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8135 - 18/04/2021 21:18:34    2337768

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Replying To Greengrass:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tireoghainabu:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Well you're really talking about the Westminster election when you refer to 1918, but while there wasn't a referendum in Ireland, it could be argued that it was a proxy referendum. It was the "Irish Unionists" who threatened the slaughter and dug their heels in."
Of course it was a Wetsminster election, we Irish were not allowed to have our own elections. If you know anything about the treaty negotiations you would know that Lloyd George gave Michael Collins the ultimatum sign or face the consequences of all out war."
Well of course not, and why would "we Irish" be allowed. That's a convenient hop between election and treaty."]Those who negotiated the Treaty were representatives of the first Dáil which was made up of those elected in the 1918 election."]You totally miss my point, the Dail representatives were given the choice of "voting for the treaty" or face "all out war".

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 141 - 18/04/2021 21:23:23    2337769

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "I am sharing with you my experience - family & friends GAA supporters north & south. Those who get up & work every day & those who vote. The fairy tale of a United ireland is just that, a fairy tale. Take yourself up from Limerick & spend a while up there & see if you would feel that you would want that baggage. But in the meantime keep singing Sean South"
I have a feeling that the poster from Limerick has a better under-standing of the situation that yourself. Brexit has changed everything. the momentum for a united Ireland has never been as great.

Don't understand your point about "those who get up & work every day &those who vote".

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 141 - 18/04/2021 21:33:35    2337770

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "In January 1922 the democratically elected Dail voted by 64 57 to accept the 1921 Treaty that confirmed Ireland as a Free State but left behind six counties became part of Northern Ireland. Like or not and many didn't that was the democratic decision."
Jesus that's a stretch lad...the Dail ratification of the treaty while
A) under threat of immediate and terrible war by a global superpower and
B) with the promise of a boundary commission to come that would (according to promises made to the Irish delegation) include Fermanagh, South Tyrone, South Armagh and possibly Derry City in the Free State thus making Northern Ireland unviable...that makes Northern Ireland democratically mandated?

Northern Ireland is lots of things...democratically mandated isn't one of them

London125 (UK) - Posts: 27 - 18/04/2021 21:35:22    2337771

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "Only sharing what I think & what I know & I recognise It may not suit the victim narrative. But there you go."
You're beginning to sound like Kevin Myers when you talk about the "victim narrative."

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5489 - 18/04/2021 21:37:07    2337772

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