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The GAA And "Northern Ireland"

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Replying To galwayford:  "Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football."
You clearly never marked John Galvin or Brendan Murphy I see, two of the finest that ever played the game. John is a Limerick man and Brendan is from Carlow by the way. I thought everyone who claims to know about football would have known that.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 17/04/2021 16:10:20    2337524

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?

It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.

Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"."
Ireland is a 32 county Island, Ulster has 9 counties and the GAA has its traditions and roots in the struggle for Irish freedom and independence. While 6 counties in Ulster are governed or occupied(whatever you're having yourself) by another jurisdiction, maybe the GAA are just giving respect to GAA members and volunteers from those counties, that there is no border in our games and association.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 968 - 17/04/2021 16:29:34    2337526

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Replying To supersub15:  "Is there a case to be made here for reinstating the Red thumb, or is it advantage Green thumb'ssssssss"
On this particular topic I think the red hand would be more appropriate.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1552 - 17/04/2021 16:49:49    2337528

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Replying To galwayford:  "Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football."
I strongly suspect there is more a rugby agenda, anti GAA agenda than the fact they're not "good at it". Carlow haven't had the success; but there is dedicated members based in the county and Limerick is now getting back to being a GAA county which wouldn't sit well with some based there.

I'd ignore these posters; they're insecure; the success of the GAA makes them uneasy. The GAA have nothing to be insecure about; the most successful, inclusive, community based and outward looking sporting/cultural organisation in the country.

The GAA make no apologies for being Irish and have never diluted that fact which can't be said for others - scrapping the national anthem for example. The GAA have shown you can be proud of Ireland which for some other sporting bodies seems to be a problem but also be inclusive and outward looking.

I wouldn't get annoyed about the original post because we know the GAA, what it stands for and how it carries itself with dignity and pride for all the people of Ireland.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 814 - 17/04/2021 17:16:31    2337529

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Northern Ireland is not a "state"."
It is. You don't know what a state is, plainly. Enough.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:19:07    2337530

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The GAA is an All-Island organisation. It uses the four provinces of Ireland to administer its games. The same as other sports such as rugby and hockey. One of those provinces spans 2 jurisdictions. Using a term that excludes 1/3 of one province is silly and I don't know why they'd need to use it.

There are enough things to get annoyed about in the world rather than making up ones all by yourself."
You don't know what you're talking about. The GAA is issuing statements referring very specifically about matters concerning Covid in Northern Ireland, not Ulster.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:21:09    2337531

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Replying To Ollie2:  "What about the GAA to acknowledge County LondonDerry as well Onion Breath?"
Rubbish. The vast majority of people don't recognise that name, unlike the democratically accepted state of Northern Ireland.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:22:19    2337532

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "you need to look up the following terms:

Pax Britannica
Gerrymandering
Reunification"
You need to look up democracy.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:22:47    2337533

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Replying To galwayford:  "The GAA is a 32 county all island organization. They can do what they like. Other sports don't even recognize the Republic, for example they don't use the Irish national anthem, Amhrán na bhFiann."
Rubbish. What sport doesn't recognise this state? I know of no Republic of Ireland international team that doesn't play Amhran na bhFiann.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:25:04    2337534

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Replying To galwayford:  "Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football."
Play the ball .... but if you want to have a different conversation then come back to me when Galway is as strong a GAA county as Carlow, adjusted for size of population.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:28:29    2337536

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Northern Ireland is County Donegal, most northerly part of Ireland is Malin head, so are we the north of Ireland or Northern Ireland?
The six counties are occupied still by a foreign power and held by the threat and use of force, The six county statelet was gerrymandered when it was created to give the unionists a permanent majority, that's going now because the catholics are out breeding them,
if they had included Donegal from day one they could have called it Northern Ireland, but they wouldn't have had their apartheid wee orange state then were catholics were second class.
The times they are a changing, border is the the Irish sea, thank God we are surrounded by water."
Horse manure. Read about the Treaty and the Good Friday Agreement. There is no foreign occupation on Northern Ireland. Irish people overwhelmingly accept Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. Pity we give them Donegal when we had the chance in 1921.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:30:53    2337538

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think it's very hard to call Northern Ireland a state.

It's not independent of the UK.

I use "The North" myself. Practically all my friends would use "The North" when referring to the 6 partitioned counties.

Jog on with your policing of our speech."
Your speech is the speech of the IRA. You happy about the GAA copying that?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:32:29    2337539

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You'd have to laugh at how opinion polls are bandied about, the establishment will quote them when it suits their agenda, SF are leading in polls I've seen in the recent past but you never see RTE or the southern media quoting SF's position in these polls, they might mention how poorly FF are doing.
They also seem to have made Labour the lead opposition party with their 7 TD's is it?
You'll also notice on RTE current affairs programmes that if their is a SF politician on the panel they are always mentioned last when introducing the panel,
also anything to do with Ulster is also mentioned last, take for example the Championship draw next week, I bet you the Ulster draw will be the last one to be drawn and on Tuesdays Six1 news.
opinion polls mean nothing anyway, ask a 1000 people or a question and then start quoting percentages?
Put the question to the people in the six counties I think the vast majority of catholics and a good few protestants nowadays would vote to be in united Ireland.
Partition makes no sense, the border is the Irish sea and it's as simple as that.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1534 - 17/04/2021 17:32:54    2337540

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Last year when Sean Cavanagh said "Certainly, up here in the UK" when referring to Tyrone and presumably the other five counties, many in the GAA community nearly went into complete and utter meltdown, and directed vile abuse towards him while hiding behind their laptops. Sean clearly recognises the fact that there are 6 counties who participate in the "All-Ireland" which are part of the UK. The Dublin government & the GAA have about as much a legal claim or right to rename New York & London, as they do on Tyrone or any other part of the UK.

It's inevitable that a "border poll", will happen in the future, and whatever the outcome there will be one large minority, but I believe we're a million miles away from ever seeing kids on the Shankill road ever wanting to be part of any "GAA Community" or have anything to do with a Dublin government. Bernard Brogan could be a fiddle player from Clare for all they know or care. The six counties are nothing but a problem child for the British government and they can't wait to hand over the brat to Dublin, should that ever happen, that's when the proverbial will really hit the fan."
It doesn't help when then GAA can't even utter the words Northern Ireland.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:34:27    2337541

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I suppose when things are as serious as someone annoying your linguistic taste then we'll all have to change how we view the island and our own opinions on it. The GAA are entitled to say what they want so long as its not abusive. Unless you believe that a majority vote means everyone's vote then I don't see what the problem is.

I assume you mean Sinn Fein when you say IRA, don't worry, well used to it from the Loyalists up here. Tell me how they would go about achieving a united Ireland, which is Sinn Fein's objective, without first following the protocol that is currently set in place here? Something that was set in place when the majority of the 6 counties were unionist, which isn't the case anymore. That was only 23 years ago and look what's changed, yet your bringing up a treaty signed 100 years ago to validate a nothing point you're trying to make. Surely even with no matches there are better topics to come up with!"
The majority of counties in Northern Ireland weren't unionist 23 years ago. Thought you'd know that. I won't waste any more time with someone have the most basic grasp of the state they live in.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:36:28    2337542

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Firstly, 46% isn't 60%. That would make a big difference. Secondly, around 11% are undecided. Which means when push comes to shove they will vote one way or the other which could still fall either way, so your dream isn't quite there yet.

Frankly, from a personal perspective I have a lot more in common with many unionists in the North who know right from wrong about the past than I do with many free state partitionists, who a bit like the Loyalists, enjoy the freedom they used to command and don't want to let anybody else have the same privileges as them. It certainly isn't without grey areas I'll give you that."
Surely you understand that only people aged 18 and over can vote. Come back in a generation.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:37:59    2337543

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?

It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.

Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"."
You're equating The GAA with The IRA. Seriously? You really need to got out more.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5489 - 17/04/2021 17:38:59    2337544

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Replying To Bon:  "No Carlow Rising today."
Beat ye when we last met ye in the championship. Out the gate we beat ye in fact. 7 points and pulling away at the end. Another ten minutes we'd have beaten ye by 15. Minnows with delusions is all Kildare are really. Away with ye.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:40:38    2337545

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "What is happening in our schools? Teachers afraid of to teach the truth about our history. They will teach all sorts of other nonsense. "The state of Northern Ireland" on a Gaa forum with 3 likes is just embarrassing"
It is a state. Maybe you need to go back to hedge school yourself.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:41:43    2337547

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Replying To omahant:  "With the upcoming Scottish election likely to reflect a big SNP vote, an independence referendum is again on the cards - with the outcome, most likely, for independence.

Hypothetically, in an effort to improve relations on these islands, if Ireland were to approach an independent Scotland in the creation of a Federal arrangement, would the North consider it desirable to join as well ? Any deal could have an Irish unity precedent component prior to agreement."
That's as bizarre a suggestion as any of your pointless complicated championship proposals.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1305 - 17/04/2021 17:42:54    2337548

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