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Tailteann Cup In Doubt

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Replying To tonguey:  "Won two Christy Ring Cups- wow, oh wow. Top of the pile stuff there- think they're still celebrating that down there in Kerry!!! Most people don't even know what the different levels in hurling are- they did not and will not win anything of significance without investment- you said yourself they are hugely underfunded and I agree. They are, as are most of teh county teams in this country.

My point is that they may win these competitions that they are playing in and good luck to them, but they are not even promoted (competitions that is). Sure there are more tiers now in hurling that on a wedding cake and how many teams have joined the elite as a result???? None!! So they obviously do not work. Yes it may be nice to win a cup and pretend you enjoy winning it etc but it means nothing- ask most people on here and they couldn't even tell you which cup in hurling is for which level. It is just to keep them ticking over playing at a level that is way lower than the big guys.

By winning these competitions and getting promoted (without funding and proper investment) they are going to get slaughtered at the high level and straight back down again. They need funding and not empty platitudes saying oh well they won this cup and that cup and contested this final and that final.

I won an underage cup for Irish dancing when I was 12- does that mean that without proper coaching, funding, resources etc I could suddenly join riverdance?? It is the same principle. I know you mean well here but I really feel that living in the UK has clouded your judgement."
Again you're ranting.

You belittle Kerry winning the Christy Ring and say they weren't promoted. Again if you're going to be ranting at least get you facts right. When they won it in 2015 they were promoted to the Leinster championship and stayed there until McDonough Cup was created. Carlow and Westmesth were the same. In that time Kerry have beaten the likes of Offaly, Carlow, Westmesth Laois and Antrim when all of them were at a higher level. Seeing as you have all the answers how was this achieved?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 543 - 11/03/2021 17:21:45    2333909

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness Galway have had some great underage teams teams over the last number of years, we've had their measure at U18/17 and they have had our measure at U20/21 over that 5/6 years and they've won an U 20 whareas we haven't got to an U21/20 final..

If the B final was to take over from minor as curtain raiser for the senior how many tickets would be allocated to the supporters of those teams? At the moment minor teams get 1500 tickets per team.

Also should teams like kerry and dublin and Cork and Galway be allowed to enter B teams into the second tier? Not being a G-owl but would that make the second tier more attractive to other counties?"
If you look at the system as operated by the LGFA and Camogie associations, some counties can have two Inter-county grades for instance Senior Graded counties can field an Inter or Junior "B" team. There is one restriction if a team wins All Ireland championship in a grade they get promoted but you can only have one team (obviously) from one county at any grade. So a team that won Intermediate final if there is a team at senior grade they disband for following year. In LGFA Dublin are only allowed field one team not two, Camogie they field two. As is clear all three finals are played in Croke Park, televised and run back to back. I don't see any less effort, joy, happiness between any of the grades, obviously there are different standards. But somehow mens ego's cannot cope with this obvious concept.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4605 - 11/03/2021 18:49:55    2333915

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Replying To arock:  "If you look at the system as operated by the LGFA and Camogie associations, some counties can have two Inter-county grades for instance Senior Graded counties can field an Inter or Junior "B" team. There is one restriction if a team wins All Ireland championship in a grade they get promoted but you can only have one team (obviously) from one county at any grade. So a team that won Intermediate final if there is a team at senior grade they disband for following year. In LGFA Dublin are only allowed field one team not two, Camogie they field two. As is clear all three finals are played in Croke Park, televised and run back to back. I don't see any less effort, joy, happiness between any of the grades, obviously there are different standards. But somehow mens ego's cannot cope with this obvious concept."
I don't really follow women's football or hurling but there is a lot to be said for their structures that you have out lined in your post and it could work for the men's game, now it will cost county boards a bit of extra cash but it would be a good chance for the bigger teams to play and develop their U23 players.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12656 - 11/03/2021 21:18:46    2333929

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Replying To oneoff:  "Again you're ranting.

You belittle Kerry winning the Christy Ring and say they weren't promoted. Again if you're going to be ranting at least get you facts right. When they won it in 2015 they were promoted to the Leinster championship and stayed there until McDonough Cup was created. Carlow and Westmesth were the same. In that time Kerry have beaten the likes of Offaly, Carlow, Westmesth Laois and Antrim when all of them were at a higher level. Seeing as you have all the answers how was this achieved?"
Where did I say they were not promoted??? I said that competitions are not promoted. As in they don't get much advertisements, promotions etc etc. I know the teams get promoted. But they don't achieve much when they do coz they are not up to the level. That is why they need extra funding to bring them to that level. And I believe all counties should get this, not just a select few!

tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 12/03/2021 07:27:19    2333945

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It's time the gaa got real and listened to the people

secondhandtrousers (UK) - Posts: 5 - 12/03/2021 09:21:19    2333952

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Replying To secondhandtrousers:  "It's time the gaa got real and listened to the people"
That my friend is not going to happen... the GAA don't listen to the people.., all it's interested in is money and how they can get their hands on more of it....!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 12/03/2021 12:03:59    2333971

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "That my friend is not going to happen... the GAA don't listen to the people.., all it's interested in is money and how they can get their hands on more of it....!!!!"
And keep it from those people who helped generate it in the first place, ie the 32 counties not just the select few.

tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 12/03/2021 12:53:59    2333977

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Replying To tonguey:  "And keep it from those people who helped generate it in the first place, ie the 32 counties not just the select few."
But do all 32 counties generate exactly the same amount of revenue for the gaa?
I highly doubt it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 426 - 12/03/2021 13:07:08    2333980

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Ah tailteann cup is crazy stuff. And there are people actually using the hurling and ladies football structure as success stories?? Nobody goes to the games!!
People think that if they makes games competitive, then its problem solved. Competitiveness is no good if fans dont go to the games. The only way to solve the current problems in inter county football is underage, underage and more underage

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 141 - 12/03/2021 13:09:59    2333981

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But do all 32 counties generate exactly the same amount of revenue for the gaa?
I highly doubt it."
I doubt so too but I never said they did!! But some counties are getting ridiculous amounts of money compared to others. The ones who don't get it are the ones who need it most. Is that a coincidence or are the two things related!?!?

tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 12/03/2021 14:19:12    2333991

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Replying To tonguey:  "I doubt so too but I never said they did!! But some counties are getting ridiculous amounts of money compared to others. The ones who don't get it are the ones who need it most. Is that a coincidence or are the two things related!?!?"
You said the money is bring kept from the counties who generate it,, gimme names and figures please.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 426 - 12/03/2021 14:46:52    2333993

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Replying To Galway9801:  "You said the money is bring kept from the counties who generate it,, gimme names and figures please."
Oh grow up. Everyone knows who gets the most money. Assume you have google in Galway?!?

tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 12/03/2021 15:10:02    2333996

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh grow up. Everyone knows who gets the most money. Assume you have google in Galway?!?"
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/zqzwyx0xnugvpw4zirtp.pdf

Page 65 of the annual report.

Honestly I think The distributions are way more even than a lot of people would think.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3347 - 12/03/2021 18:04:00    2334017

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh grow up. Everyone knows who gets the most money. Assume you have google in Galway?!?"
Look, I'd be only delighted to see the gaa grow everywhere, id love to see counties like sligo and louth etc develop a gaa culture, with a large support base, and if these counties are being screwed over then I'm totally with you, it should be addressed.
But it's very easy to just say that the big boys are screwing over the little guys, it sounds very virtuous avd righteous, but is it true? Are counties like sligo and louth generating as much revenue as kerry and Dublin?
That seems to be the point you're making. If indeed they are then provide proof of it.
If you're right you're right and fair play.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 426 - 12/03/2021 19:59:19    2334027

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Look, I'd be only delighted to see the gaa grow everywhere, id love to see counties like sligo and louth etc develop a gaa culture, with a large support base, and if these counties are being screwed over then I'm totally with you, it should be addressed.
But it's very easy to just say that the big boys are screwing over the little guys, it sounds very virtuous avd righteous, but is it true? Are counties like sligo and louth generating as much revenue as kerry and Dublin?
That seems to be the point you're making. If indeed they are then provide proof of it.
If you're right you're right and fair play."
What do you mean by develop a gaa culture?

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 330 - 13/03/2021 15:11:59    2334080

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "What do you mean by develop a gaa culture?"
Probably should have said develop more of a following.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 426 - 13/03/2021 15:26:32    2334081

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