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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well the first mistake you're making is believing you need "Super Stars" to win an All-Ireland or indeed any team sport for that matter. Is that really what you believe? And if so, who are the super stars in the Dublin team ?"
All a silly argument.... County boards around the country more likely to fold through lack of money rather than throwing money at their county teams in the forlorn hope off success .... This is the reason they are in trouble to begin with...!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1940 - 12/03/2021 11:57:48    2333969

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Replying To dubarra:  "So tell us how this would happen within 10 years? I can't wait to hear how a county with such a small population is going to create super stars with money and very little available talent."
I think it has been brought up here before, but the Iceland football team is a success story which hasn't got the publicity it deserves. In the last 20 years they have put huge efforts into facilities, coaching, schools and have made a remarkable transformation, now consistently competing with the best nations in Europe who have over 100 times their population. At the end of the day you only need 20 odd good players to be a successful inter county team. The only way to solve the current problems in inter county football structure is underage, underage and more underage

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 322 - 12/03/2021 12:58:39    2333979

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It's a cheap and easy sound bite telling counties that they should get their house in order, while one county has bucket loads of money to pay for all that's needed, squats in HQ, have nice cushy little jobs handed to them and sleep in their own beds every night.

They try and tell us then that this is a "golden generation", or find other "excuses" as to why they have been so successful, everything, apart from tell it how it is, excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta, springs to mind.

A reporter asked Pep Guardiola recently what he puts Man City's success down to. His answer was refreshing, "we have the money" he said.

There's an obsession in Dublin to overtake Kerry as the most successful county ever, and at any cost, fair or foul, it doesn't matter.

If Cluxton, McCarthty, McCaffrey, Fenton, Connolly, Rock and the Brogans etc had been born in Leitrim, they wouldn't have even made an All-Ireland final, never mind win one.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 12/03/2021 15:58:24    2334003

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's a cheap and easy sound bite telling counties that they should get their house in order, while one county has bucket loads of money to pay for all that's needed, squats in HQ, have nice cushy little jobs handed to them and sleep in their own beds every night.

They try and tell us then that this is a "golden generation", or find other "excuses" as to why they have been so successful, everything, apart from tell it how it is, excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta, springs to mind.

A reporter asked Pep Guardiola recently what he puts Man City's success down to. His answer was refreshing, "we have the money" he said.

There's an obsession in Dublin to overtake Kerry as the most successful county ever, and at any cost, fair or foul, it doesn't matter.

If Cluxton, McCarthty, McCaffrey, Fenton, Connolly, Rock and the Brogans etc had been born in Leitrim, they wouldn't have even made an All-Ireland final, never mind win one."
Furious here, the Dublin team are far to handsome to be sleeping in their own beds every night! ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/03/2021 16:09:58    2334005

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I. Just read an article where the gaa have given the green light to the Aussies to recruit more Irish footballers, that's not going to help the country teams catch up to the dublin province unless of course the Aussies start targeting the dubs footballers for a change.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/03/2021 16:50:15    2334011

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's a cheap and easy sound bite telling counties that they should get their house in order, while one county has bucket loads of money to pay for all that's needed, squats in HQ, have nice cushy little jobs handed to them and sleep in their own beds every night.

They try and tell us then that this is a "golden generation", or find other "excuses" as to why they have been so successful, everything, apart from tell it how it is, excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta, springs to mind.

A reporter asked Pep Guardiola recently what he puts Man City's success down to. His answer was refreshing, "we have the money" he said.

There's an obsession in Dublin to overtake Kerry as the most successful county ever, and at any cost, fair or foul, it doesn't matter.

If Cluxton, McCarthty, McCaffrey, Fenton, Connolly, Rock and the Brogans etc had been born in Leitrim, they wouldn't have even made an All-Ireland final, never mind win one."
I think if all those lads were born in Leitrim then they certainly would have won an all Ireland

superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 12/03/2021 18:12:44    2334018

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Replying To superdub:  "I think if all those lads were born in Leitrim then they certainly would have won an all Ireland"
Im not so sure. I think African gaels point is without money you don't win
Even if those players were with Leitrim the majority would be working away from Leitrim and having to travel alot and not getting fully compensated so might not commit. No money for dieticians psychos strength and conditioning coaches. Free gym membership and the time to use it. I'm afraid I would agree that even with those players Leitrim would not win an all ireland without big money.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 12/03/2021 18:32:26    2334021

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I. Just read an article where the gaa have given the green light to the Aussies to recruit more Irish footballers, that's not going to help the country teams catch up to the dublin province unless of course the Aussies start targeting the dubs footballers for a change."
Dublin Dublin Dublin ...

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 12/03/2021 19:46:28    2334025

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Leitrim get an awful scalding on here.

Really enjoyed the scenes when they were promoted in 19 and I'm sure many have great memories of the famous victory in Connacht in 94.

The bould Dec Darcy brought silverware home for Leitrim, so on the balance of available evidence, if one Dub can empower a provincial title, the first in their history, who knows what a few could do, from the games greatest ever team.

Be fun to watch.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/03/2021 20:25:58    2334033

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I. Just read an article where the gaa have given the green light to the Aussies to recruit more Irish footballers, that's not going to help the country teams catch up to the dublin province unless of course the Aussies start targeting the dubs footballers for a change."
The Aussie target players from all counties and then itls up to the players themselves whether they go or not. Ciarán Kilkenny went but did nt like it. Clifford did nt want to go.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 12/03/2021 20:59:16    2334037

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Dublin Dublin Dublin ..."
Kerry Kerry Kerry.... "

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/03/2021 21:07:33    2334040

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Im not so sure. I think African gaels point is without money you don't win
Even if those players were with Leitrim the majority would be working away from Leitrim and having to travel alot and not getting fully compensated so might not commit. No money for dieticians psychos strength and conditioning coaches. Free gym membership and the time to use it. I'm afraid I would agree that even with those players Leitrim would not win an all ireland without big money."
I guess you could say the same about the Sheehys Spillanes,O Sheas, etc. if they were born in Leitrim, money is definitely a help but the Dublins and Kerry's of this world have their house in order unlike so many of the so called weaker counties. I've been watching it with frustration for donkeys years Mick.The main reason a lot of counties are weak is because of weak Co Boards with individual's holding on to positions for decades and until that changes things will stay the same. I wouldn't blame Croke Park for not giving money out to some of those Counties it would be a complete waste of resources.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 13/03/2021 09:12:35    2334055

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The Aussie target players from all counties and then itls up to the players themselves whether they go or not. Ciarán Kilkenny went but did nt like it. Clifford did nt want to go."
Is that how it works? Jays thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's amazing how the strongest team in the country both financially and population wise only have 1 player picked off while other counties with much less population and money have lots of players snapped up, I wonder why that is?

kilkenny originally stated he was going over for 7/8 years but came home after a fortnight, I wonder what happened in that 2 weeks to change is mind and get him to give up on a 80 grand a year rookie contract.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/03/2021 09:41:41    2334060

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Leitrim get an awful scalding on here.

Really enjoyed the scenes when they were promoted in 19 and I'm sure many have great memories of the famous victory in Connacht in 94.

The bould Dec Darcy brought silverware home for Leitrim, so on the balance of available evidence, if one Dub can empower a provincial title, the first in their history, who knows what a few could do, from the games greatest ever team.

Be fun to watch."
Ah we are not scalding Leitrim at all Username. More just pointing out the disadvantages Leitrim and counties like them have. Dec D'Arcy was Leitrim centre back and captain in 95 but he alone was nt the reason for their success. They had the brilliant manager John ó Mahony at the time and a core of players that bought his drive. However that was then when teams did nt train for league and more teams on a par before the era of physcos and special trainers came in that you need money for. Even if Leitrim had all the Dublin players the chances are half of them would nt be playing because of travel and lack of proper expenses etc.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 13/03/2021 10:50:12    2334063

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Replying To dubarra:  "I guess you could say the same about the Sheehys Spillanes,O Sheas, etc. if they were born in Leitrim, money is definitely a help but the Dublins and Kerry's of this world have their house in order unlike so many of the so called weaker counties. I've been watching it with frustration for donkeys years Mick.The main reason a lot of counties are weak is because of weak Co Boards with individual's holding on to positions for decades and until that changes things will stay the same. I wouldn't blame Croke Park for not giving money out to some of those Counties it would be a complete waste of resources."
I take your point Dubarra and alot of truth in what you ré saying about county boards. And yes unless the counties use their money properly and look after players success will not be found.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 13/03/2021 10:53:04    2334064

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Is that how it works? Jays thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's amazing how the strongest team in the country both financially and population wise only have 1 player picked off while other counties with much less population and money have lots of players snapped up, I wonder why that is?

kilkenny originally stated he was going over for 7/8 years but came home after a fortnight, I wonder what happened in that 2 weeks to change is mind and get him to give up on a 80 grand a year rookie contract."
I would guess the exact same reason Clifford did nt go.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 13/03/2021 12:19:24    2334071

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Is that how it works? Jays thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's amazing how the strongest team in the country both financially and population wise only have 1 player picked off while other counties with much less population and money have lots of players snapped up, I wonder why that is?

kilkenny originally stated he was going over for 7/8 years but came home after a fortnight, I wonder what happened in that 2 weeks to change is mind and get him to give up on a 80 grand a year rookie contract."
Hi, Tommy , what would expect with the lovely Tadgh at the forefront of all the poaching. Easier I suppose when you have one of your own doing the robbing and the aul snakey way you forgot about that ha.
Lovely lads although.
Maybe get your own house in order and don't be talking the scutter as usual.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 13/03/2021 12:32:07    2334072

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Leitrim get an awful scalding on here.

Really enjoyed the scenes when they were promoted in 19 and I'm sure many have great memories of the famous victory in Connacht in 94.

The bould Dec Darcy brought silverware home for Leitrim, so on the balance of available evidence, if one Dub can empower a provincial title, the first in their history, who knows what a few could do, from the games greatest ever team.

Be fun to watch."
And on the flip side a Leitrim man went to Meath and won two all Irelands for them.

Funny Leitrim is always picked as this example when Wicklow and Fermanagh have never won anything of note. And indeed Fermanagh have a far smaller pick than us.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 13/03/2021 12:47:14    2334073

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "And on the flip side a Leitrim man went to Meath and won two all Irelands for them.

Funny Leitrim is always picked as this example when Wicklow and Fermanagh have never won anything of note. And indeed Fermanagh have a far smaller pick than us."
The reason I pick Leitrim is I recall a few years ago reading nearly all their team were working away from Leitrim and many in Dublin. Wicklow are close to Dublin. No offence is meant.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 13/03/2021 13:04:55    2334074

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "And on the flip side a Leitrim man went to Meath and won two all Irelands for them.

Funny Leitrim is always picked as this example when Wicklow and Fermanagh have never won anything of note. And indeed Fermanagh have a far smaller pick than us."
Ah, he wasn't really a Leitrim man. Born in Longford sure and spent a few years in Leitrim. Got outta the place as quick as they could and moved to Meath.
You couldn't stay in that place sure.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 13/03/2021 13:08:34    2334075

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