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Again I'am not saying they should make the rules but they should have a voice in things that affect the game they are playing. To say they should keep quiet and just play, along with saying they don't know the rules is very insulting.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 05/03/2021 12:16:16 2333572 Link 0 |
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O my God ! Pulling the hurley out of an opponents hand or tripping him with a hurley is not a cynical foul under the new rules. Managers and coaches must be busy doing virtual calls telling players if he breaking in on goal whip the stick out of his hands or trip him with yours. There is not much chance he will score without a stick. This will be practiced for hours of course to prefect. Can this be true or a miss print ? If it true the GAA are something else.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 05/03/2021 14:10:29 2333580 Link 0 |
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Maybe they should create a hybred game called "No Rules Hurling" or "Because I am a Player I can Do What I Like Hurling". Players are transient to the game, if you look at a Soccer or Bastketball rule book the opening paragraphs are not about rules but this noble thing called "The Spirit of the Game" its purpose and why the rules are as they are. Players do not make they rules they follow them or not and if they do not they should go play something else. Tripping a player with a hurl deserves the book thrown at a player, hauling a player down and potenially injurying him is a total disregard for the the other player. The current rule of a yellow card is ridiculous, a yellow with sin-bin is perfect and either a free or penalty a great way to hurt any team that promotes this crap. A far clearner more skilful game is the reward.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 05/03/2021 21:25:14 2333594 Link 2 |
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A game far closer to hockey than hurling is what you are looking for. A yellow without the sinbin is a strong sanction. The sinbin, yellow and penalty is way over the top and could destroy a game of hurling especially if the decision is incorrect which realistically many of them will be . We had one of our top referees come out during the week and say he ll have no problem implementing the new rule because the new rule really means that any foul inside the 21 and arc is stopping a possible goal scoring chance. So this ref has actually decided (wrongly) how he's going to ref the new rule. And of course the idea that pulling the hurley from a guys hand isn't cynical.. thats a farce. The whole rule has been rushed through by the 'sanitisers' looking for less and less contact. They've gotten rid of the shoulder already...now they are going after all contact
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 06/03/2021 06:44:17 2333600 Link 1 |
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I cant understand why some people think that hurling will be less of a game when players stop pulling and dragging players. The game was much tougher in the old days but there non of this spare hand stuff going on. Put the two hands back on the hurley and play hurling how its supposed to be played and we will have a better game for it, a game that the rules can be explained to someone who never played the game but can understand what's right and wrong. Surely thats not too much to ask for any sport. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 06/03/2021 12:08:20 2333607 Link 0 |
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The irony of a man from Limerick finding fault with the new rules. Majority of Limerick side in Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 06/03/2021 15:35:53 2333615 Link 3 |
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Bennett and Hutchison were denied scoring chances by getting pulled back. Yes Hannon's jab has nothing to do with this and was a wrong call, or just missed. That happens. One thing for sure there was nothing alleged about it. It is fact. If Gleeson on the ground holding his testicles is not enough then you are truly wearing blinkers.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 06/03/2021 15:50:12 2333616 Link 0 |
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I am going to agree with you. What is the purpose of the rule? to stop cynical fouling that has negated a scoring chance. Put back the chance by giving the penalty. It is not a clear cut chance if there is another defender between you and the goal. We would complicate the lord's prayer and now going to have controversy over what is a scoring chance. The defender pulled down in the first place because no one else other than the goalie to save the day. If the offender is the last man back a penalty any where on the field. These are smart players (and coaches) and I believe there will be few if any penalties. The intent is to punish the foul and the the fairest way is put back the chance. You don't have to kill the game off. Anyway putting the guy in the sin bin with a minute to go means nothing. Limit it to a single question, last man who could intervene in score chance and there will be some controversy anyway but that is way off set by punishing cynical fouling. The whole thing anyway is caput, means nothing, because of the stick rule. There will be some diving to grab that stick as the guy is about to bury the ball in the net. Or if he can not be caught chasing to get the stick between his legs to trip. I heard a few backs already getting longer sticks made as they would be handy for tripping . Are these legislators stupid or not capable of proof reading what they just did. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 06/03/2021 16:29:07 2333617 Link 0 |
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Can someone please post some YouTube or any other links so we can see some samples of where this new rule would have been implemented?
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 07/03/2021 09:03:34 2333632 Link 0 |
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Where can someone see the exact rule as it is written? gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 07/03/2021 12:09:05 2333647 Link 0 |
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Please don't compare Declan Hannon and Austin Gleeson. I have watched Hannon playing at all levels for the past twelve or thirteen years and I have never seen pull a dirty stroke on anybody, or ever get a yellow card. It just might have been a reckless charge or a pure accident. However by contrast though he is a fine hurler and made huge efforts to gain full fitness this year, Austin Gleeson has a very poor disciplinary record. As regards Bennett and Hutchinson been pulled back, if all this pulling back was going how come Nicky Quaid had to make a string of good saves. Anyway are you telling us that Flanagan, Mulcahy and Gillane were left through untouched all day. I would also remind you Canuck that there was far worse incidents in the 2007 final involving Kilkenny players and I might also say involving our own players- but far less- and when Limerick supporters, like myself, highlighted this we were told to suck it up, Kilkenny played on the edge and we poor losers to mention it. Maybe Anthony Daly was right. When smaller counties win one All Ireland it is great- but win two or more and they are told, one way or another, to f**** off to wherever they came from. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 07/03/2021 13:17:24 2333650 Link 0 |
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Please don't compare Declan Hannon and Austin Gleeson. I have watched Hannon playing at all levels for the past twelve or thirteen years and I have never seen pull a dirty stroke on anybody, or ever get a yellow card. It just might have been a reckless charge or a pure accident. However by contrast though he is a fine hurler and made huge efforts to gain full fitness this year, Austin Gleeson has a very poor disciplinary record. As regards Bennett and Hutchinson been pulled back, if all this pulling back was going how come Nicky Quaid had to make a string of good saves. Anyway are you telling us that Flanagan, Mulcahy and Gillane were left through untouched all day. I would also remind you Canuck that there was far worse incidents in the 2007 final involving Kilkenny players and I might also say involving our own players- but far less- and when Limerick supporters, like myself, highlighted this we were told to suck it up, Kilkenny played on the edge and we poor losers to mention it. Maybe Anthony Daly was right. When smaller counties win one All Ireland it is great- but win two or more and they are told, one way or another, to f**** off to wherever they came from. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 07/03/2021 13:17:24 2333651 Link 0 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzppaWsbWc0 You dont have to back for the perfect example. 66 to 67th minute of AI final. If your still in any doubt its shown clearer at 68.08. No attempt what so ever to play the ball. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 07/03/2021 13:40:16 2333654 Link 0 |
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The link below is all I could find from the GAA. See motion 20. link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 07/03/2021 14:20:56 2333657 Link 0 |
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Only reading what is on the papers and the referees interpretation of it. May be it is incorrect. They asked why the hurley incidents were not deemed cynical.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 07/03/2021 14:55:24 2333658 Link 0 |
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Ah will you get over yourself. Just replay ( available on utube) the first half of the 2007 Final and look at what went on that day and I do not recall anybody asking for a change of rules after that game and anyone that has ever brought it up since are told to either suck it up, Kilkenny played on the edge or we were poor losers. One rule for the 'big counties' another for the tenants. Anyway, I was in the shed in Ennis for the league game last and the Clare full line were hanging out of Gillane all day , so Banner teams are not above reproach either. Cynical and persistent fouling has been going on for years, why is it only now it is getting such attention.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 07/03/2021 15:21:23 2333659 Link 2 |
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Please do not compare Gleeson and Hannon. I have watched Hannon for the past twelve or thirteen years , since his college days and I have never seen pull a dirty stroke on anybody and I have never seen him get a yellow card in all them years. The incident that day may have been an accident or in retaliation for some else dunting him but it is certainly foreign to Hannon's general conduct on the field of play By contrast, Austin has a very poor disciplinary record, although he is a fine hurler and had a great final and semi final and I admire him for the way he prepared for this years championship. AS regards Bennet and Hutchinson being held back, are you seriously suggesting that Limerick players were not held back that day also and if all this holding was so rampant how come Nicky Quaid had to make so many fine saves on the day.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 07/03/2021 15:30:58 2333660 Link 0 |
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If you have followed my posts you will never heard me defend Gleeson when he was in the wrong. I also have the greatest admiration for Declan Hannon as a player and sportsman but are you now suggesting that a referee should make his decision based on past history of either player rather than the incident in front of him. I also said it may have been missed or just a wrong call that can happen. Hannon made a decision to jab in with his stick and struck Gleeson. In my opinion deserved disciplinary action. No pleasure would be taken in that. You might remember Conor Gleeson swiped back in retaliation (as you suggested) to a hurley butt to his ribs and it cost him a place in the final and maybe Waterford also. However them are the rules. You could be right also about other hold backs in the final I can't say I saw them (maybe rose tinted glasses) or heard anyone else refer to them but plenty of acknowledgement that Bennett and Hutchison were impeded. Look there is no attempt to take take away from the superiority of Limerick or their players and the merit of the All-Ireland success. These examples are in the context of the rule change. There were others like Huw Lawlor and Danny Suthcliffe. Looking forward to watching those Limerick greats and others again and hoping cynical fouling would be eradicated. Not confident though because of the way the rule is worded. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 07/03/2021 19:36:32 2333672 Link 1 |
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I have a bit of a bugbear going back years. In 1940, a Cork Examiner Writer caught the mood of something that happened in the Munster Final that year. He said that Paddy Scanlan the Limerick goalie had a fantastic game, v Cork and one incident illustrated his courage and brilliance. It described how he stopped a point blank shot and diverted it around the post and 'a split later he was buried in the back of the net'. It was said for years that brilliant goalies like Scanlan, Reddan and even Power, from your own county, had to be almost all but insane to play in that position. There was these description like 'Hells Kitchen' and 'manly men' etc, to describe the uncontrolled mayhem that took place in squares. Michael O'Hehir always smoothed these fun and games over by describing as 'schmoozels in the parallelogram'. The great Tipp team from '58 to 68 were synonymous with these 'manly arts' and I can frequently recall Jim Hogan and other goalies being planted in the back of the net, as Scanlan was decades before. Now lets come to a blistering hot Munster Final day in' 73, in Thurles of the thrills, and Limerick saw that Tipp had a small Full Back and goalie. What did they do? They got a big corner back called Ned Rea, who had never played in the position before, to go Full Forward. The plan was to ski high balls into the square and let Rea use his strength and power to drive the Full back and the goalie into to the back of the net as much as possible. On several occasions the goalie had to be helped up and allowed time to recover from Rea's attentions. For most of us then young Limerick Fans it was a joy to see what Tipp had done for so long being visited on their own defense and in their own backyard to boot. Six goals were scored. You would think the powers that be would be delighted, with all the complaining there is now about lack of goals. But no. The funny thing that what was part of the MANLY GAMEE for years was suddenly now outrageous and the rules had to be changed and the goalie 'had to be given protection', mar a dearfa. Now I mentioned to Clareandblue above that several far worse incidents took place in the 2007 Final, than did this year and when Limerick supporters asked for things to be looked into we were told to get over ourselves, Kilkenny played on the edge and we were whingers. You had no newspaper writers and you certainly no prominent football player from Monaghan, like Dick Clerkin going on the Irish Times about Kilkennys 'dark arts'. In fact no more than the Hell Kitchen carry on, Kilkenny 'playing on the edge' was something to be celebrated- indeed even when one of them recklessly pulled across Brian Gavin, it was a case of what of it. It would appear to me that when we give them goals we are wrong and when we them too much points we are also wrong. But where I think we are wrong most of all is that as a little hurling county we have come come out of the wood work and won two All Irelands in three years. Maybe Anthony Daly was right after all. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 07/03/2021 21:38:36 2333681 Link 1 |
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It was Tom Morrissey that got Austin not Declan Hannon. I'm sure it was totally accidental as like Hannon, Tom is not a dirty player.
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 07/03/2021 22:20:12 2333682 Link 0 |