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Cant agree. The punishment up to now for a drag down/trip in preventing a goal scoring opportunity has been a yellow usually and a penalty or free in. This has proved to be no deterrent.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11469 - 27/02/2021 23:25:25 2333015 Link 0 |
You are not serious the players opinions do not matter? Who are the ones being fouled? Who are the ones training 12 months a year and giving up a social life? The players are. I know you will come back with they don't have to play argument. They play because they love the game and their opinions absolutely count in a game they give so much too. I find it interesting Patrick Horgan a man who would benefit greatly from these new rules is against them. To say their opinions have no relevance and they do not know the rules is totally disrespectful. I guess the players should just keep quiet and play.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 27/02/2021 23:48:08 2333018 Link 1 |
I fully agree with you. I also agree with "arock" comments about Danny Sutcliff. That was a particularly nasty foul. I though at the time that deserved a straight red. Simple as. Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 28/02/2021 09:04:28 2333034 Link 0 |
I fully agree with you. I also agree with "arock" comments about Danny Sutcliff. That was a particularly nasty foul. I though at the time that deserved a straight red. Simple as. Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 28/02/2021 09:04:28 2333035 Link 0 |
Now the defenders need to defend with the hurley not the hand, hooking and blocking how its meant to be and not pulling and dragging. Advantage is then with the attacking forwards some will say. Its up to the refs to pay attention to steps and charging and throws by forwards. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 28/02/2021 11:14:38 2333051 Link 2 |
Well I guess they have made a mess of football with rule changes why should they stop there might as well mess up Hurling also. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 28/02/2021 12:12:07 2333060 Link 1 |
Its 24 Senior hurling Clubs in Galway and I've always maintained that is too many. We had 20 Senior teams for years and that worked fine (4 groups of 5). I'm definitely in favour of reducing the Senior teams...too many teams just making up the numbers and Will never win a Co. Senior Cup. 16 Senior teams, 16 Intermediate teams and 16 Junior A teams will make for highly Competitive respective Championships...(Intermediate Championship would be furiously hard to win with great matches) katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 28/02/2021 14:29:21 2333078 Link 0 |
I won't say they don't have to play and totally acknowledge what the players do for our enjoyment. The reward they get is not close to what they deserve. However if you left it to the current players to make the rules there would be no rules. Of course when they retire they would be in favour of all sort of rules. Patrick Horgan might be doing some math if I am dragged down once and my full back drags down twice to stop a goal then we are ahead. It seems to be a culture or badge of honour for players to oppose any changes.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/02/2021 15:00:57 2333083 Link 0 |
Good points being made looking on this rule change put in on a trial basis for a year. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1812 - 28/02/2021 15:19:10 2333084 Link 0 |
In other sports do players contribute to the rule making process. You think Richie McCaw was involved in rule making for World Rugby or Ronaldo helping FIFA to make rules. Not a chance. Players play. When they retire if they want to referee then great, or coach. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1446 - 28/02/2021 16:15:23 2333088 Link 0 |
Come off it, how can anybody think a sanction for the most blatantly cynical play is unwarranted? StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1726 - 28/02/2021 16:22:09 2333089 Link 0 |
The elephant in the room is simulation. Brian Lohan has brought it up.. Its pretty bad with the heads being dipped into tackles and the staying down. This new rule will encourage diving and make the refs job harder. Its going to be different that is for sure. It could all be for the best..I doubt it though not with the calibre of ref we have. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 28/02/2021 16:43:47 2333095 Link 0 |
I guess time will tell how it goes. All I can say is that every change in hurling has been met with criticism and the the critics almost always go silent afterwards. Havent heard a word form Richie Power since his outrage at introducing a round robin in 2018. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 28/02/2021 17:59:01 2333105 Link 1 |
I remember Hanberry for Galway body slamming Seamus Callanan to the ground a few years ago. Well time for this type of stuff to be stopped. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1824 - 02/03/2021 11:54:05 2333286 Link 0 |
So because someone dives we should not have a new rule for pulling down someone about to score a goal. Think about that ? Why do we make things so difficult ? How about if any of the officials see that it was a dive it is dealt with by sending the diver off and giving a free the other way that will probably put over the bar. How about if you don't want to stop the game and review, all penalties are reviewed afterwards and if a dive was seen deal with the player. "It is not as simple as that." Yes it is and we need to stop trying figure how things won't work. A good rule is a one that will be required seldom or hopefully never. It is the deterrent . I grew up when the goalie got run over nearly in every game. How often is goalie interfered with now because of the consequences. Mistakes will happen. Correct them and move on. As regards reffing. It as totally ridiculous to have one man in the fastest sport in the world, on the largest playing surface expecting to do and see everything. There are six other officials out there. Train them or remove some of them and use a second referee. I have no time for these people who don't want change to match the changes in the games. The games as played today are only a cousin of when they started and continue to evolve. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 02/03/2021 14:20:35 2333300 Link 1 |
Funny thing, I was only thinking that last night, players (e.g. Barry Heffernan Tipp v ourselves in 2019) well able to trip themselves up, I still remember Michael Duignan noticing it but deciding against calling it out. The real classic will be the player falling across the defender or leaning into the defender. Its a mine field but the game is now full of cheats on all teams. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1726 - 02/03/2021 15:10:00 2333310 Link 0 |
The cheating is a problem for sure and can be dealt with but you can't not deal with deliberate dragging down. Maybe Brian Lohan is the elephant in the room already putting pressure on the refs and already planning how to deal with the rule to his advantage. The old nod nod wink wink stuff that is in our genes. A handy auld rule if it is my guy is pulled down but I can always fall back to claiming faking if it is my guy doing the pulling down. Maybe these trainers and managers would be better off teaching their players how to defend better one on one and encourage them to behave ethically. I have said it before in hockey the majority of players hate the fakers and will lay into them. Even team members don't like fakers. It is just a culture thing that I believe gaelic players are capable of. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 02/03/2021 16:45:32 2333321 Link 1 |
Another annoying one is the attacker catching the defenders hurl under is arm and throwing himself to the ground. Maybe lengthy retrospective bans for lads caught cheating on tv as there are in place for dangerous play and helmet infringements might provide a deterrent?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11469 - 02/03/2021 18:21:52 2333333 Link 0 |
In a conversation with an executive from Croke Park and asked if players are coached in the dark arts his answer was of course they are. One particular hurling team who where supposed to be training behind closed doors were practicing giving the elbow a slight lift so a clean catch could not be made. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 02/03/2021 20:58:48 2333352 Link 0 |
Both hurling and football have a history of the dark arts... whether it's the tipping of the helmet, the hold of the hersey, the slipping or falling 'accidentally of course' on to the back of a player on the ground the box in the neck when catching a high ball, the holding of the Hurley under ones arm or with the hand, just for a second or two of course - we have had them all. That should include the dive as well of course particularly into the square ! carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1812 - 03/03/2021 12:02:30 2333394 Link 0 |