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Replying To omahant: "I think the 'pick the ball near the ground' should be better administered - either get rid of the pickup off the ground, or allow the pick only when there is clear daylight between ball and ground - say, ball must be hopping to halfway between ground and knee - otherwise, standing up straight, flick up with foot. For decades, the pick up has been abused." That would mean shorter players would have an advantage.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2265 - 06/10/2021 20:38:15
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Replying To omahant: "I think the 'pick the ball near the ground' should be better administered - either get rid of the pickup off the ground, or allow the pick only when there is clear daylight between ball and ground - say, ball must be hopping to halfway between ground and knee - otherwise, standing up straight, flick up with foot. For decades, the pick up has been abused." That would mean shorter players would have an advantage.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2265 - 06/10/2021 20:46:18
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Can anyone tell me when can teams that win county titles at underage or senior level bring the cup home?
Timmy86 (Sligo) - Posts: 327 - 07/10/2021 10:53:36
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Replying To Galway9801: "What is the thinking behind the pick up rule anyway? Why was it decided years and years ago that you couldn't simply pick the ball off the ground?
Genuinely want to know, I can't think of a reason for it offhand, except for maybe they felt a pick up was too similar to rugby?" Someone here once pointed out that without a pick up rule you'd have men diving on the ball, lying on it and piling up on top of each other. With the pick up rule as it is, it sorta shows who got there first to secure possession. Does that make sense?
Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 08/10/2021 20:37:43
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In Feb. 2021 I created a new post here called "Level the playing field." 10 pages and 10 months later the final post on the subject came from someone wanting to debate picking the ball off the ground.
So after 10 pages and 10 months the subject matter got nowhere.
In a round about way I have made reference to where the problem lies, partly.
The smallest county is. - Louth.
Second smallest is. - Carlow.
Third smallest is. - Dublin.
Fourth smallest is. - Longford.
The most successful county by a country mile is Dublin.
Within those 4 counties lies your answer to levelling the playing field, why.????
No prizes for the correct answer.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3132 - 17/03/2025 22:15:07
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Replying To supersub15: "In Feb. 2021 I created a new post here called "Level the playing field." 10 pages and 10 months later the final post on the subject came from someone wanting to debate picking the ball off the ground.
So after 10 pages and 10 months the subject matter got nowhere.
In a round about way I have made reference to where the problem lies, partly.
The smallest county is. - Louth.
Second smallest is. - Carlow.
Third smallest is. - Dublin.
Fourth smallest is. - Longford.
The most successful county by a country mile is Dublin.
Within those 4 counties lies your answer to levelling the playing field, why.????
No prizes for the correct answer." I'm presuming it's down to population - or finance or both. To level the population differential you would need to divide Dublin into 3/4/5 sub counties. Can't see that happening.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1525 - 23/03/2025 16:40:55
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Kerry have competed in every McDonagh Cup since the competition was formed. They made three McDonagh Cup finals in a row but never won the holy grail. Their place in the McDonagh Cup is under serious threat this year. Down and Kildare have looked very impressive on earning promotion to Division 1B.
On the topic of "Level The Playing Field." - why are some Division 4 counties against a Tier 3 Cup? Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow or Carlow could enjoy a Tier 3 final in Croke Park as a curtain raiser to an All Ireland semi final. An opportunity to build positive momentum at a fair level and use it as a spring board for loftier ambitions.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Kerry have competed in every McDonagh Cup since the competition was formed. They made three McDonagh Cup finals in a row but never won the holy grail. Their place in the McDonagh Cup is under serious threat this year. Down and Kildare have looked very impressive on earning promotion to Division 1B.
On the topic of "Level The Playing Field." - why are some Division 4 counties against a Tier 3 Cup? Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow or Carlow could enjoy a Tier 3 final in Croke Park as a curtain raiser to an All Ireland semi final. An opportunity to build positive momentum at a fair level and use it as a spring board for loftier ambitions." How has a Tier 3 competition worked on for Hurling? Have we seen any Tier 3 winners move on and compete for the McCarthy or win it? That would be a no. It will take more than a mickey mouse third competition to level the playing field let's be honest.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1226 - 23/03/2025 18:33:22
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Replying To Square_B: "How has a Tier 3 competition worked on for Hurling? Have we seen any Tier 3 winners move on and compete for the McCarthy or win it? That would be a no. It will take more than a mickey mouse third competition to level the playing field let's be honest." Offaly hurlers were in the Ring a few years .
That was a wake up call for them
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2156 - 23/03/2025 18:47:37
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Replying To legendzxix: "Kerry have competed in every McDonagh Cup since the competition was formed. They made three McDonagh Cup finals in a row but never won the holy grail. Their place in the McDonagh Cup is under serious threat this year. Down and Kildare have looked very impressive on earning promotion to Division 1B.
On the topic of "Level The Playing Field." - why are some Division 4 counties against a Tier 3 Cup? Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow or Carlow could enjoy a Tier 3 final in Croke Park as a curtain raiser to an All Ireland semi final. An opportunity to build positive momentum at a fair level and use it as a spring board for loftier ambitions." .
I would consider Kerry's participation in the J.McD cup since it's inception as being successful even though as you pointed out they have never won the holy grail. Their place in the J.Mc D cup was always under threat but happily they weathered the storm.
As far as I can see no football county supporters wants to admit they are from a weakened county or in particular the weakest of the weak, and so they want the status quo to remain in tact. A three-tiered championship is needed imo and is only part of the fix.
The hurlers have a multi tiered system that is more than satisfactory to all. `The top three tiers work well in particular the J.McD cup.
I can identify with Leitrim as their problem is not of their own making, it's only a matter of time before Carlow and or Longford face similar problems as that of our Leitrim friends - - I hope not.
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Offaly hurlers were in the Ring a few years .
That was a wake up call for them" They were but no one has come from the Third tier and developed enough to win an All Ireland or even be regularly competing. Leveling the playing field requires 'actual' resources be provided to allow counties to compete.
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Replying To Square_B: "How has a Tier 3 competition worked on for Hurling? Have we seen any Tier 3 winners move on and compete for the McCarthy or win it? That would be a no. It will take more than a mickey mouse third competition to level the playing field let's be honest." Teams are now at least in a tier that they can be competitive in.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2217 - 23/03/2025 22:27:20
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Hurling tiers haven't worked in improving counties.
It has just given them an intercounty avenue that wasn't really there before.
To level the playing field, the strong need to be paired with the weak to share resources and have cross county competitions.
Why not pair Dublin & Wicklow, Mayo and Sligo, Cork and Waterford, Kerry and Limerick etc - would do wonders for underage development.
Not a simple in hurling as all the strong counties are huddled together geographically.
Hurling needs amalgamation of clubs in weaker counties and amalgamation of weaker counties into regional leagues.
A rugby club can travel around Connacht for a match against similar opposition but not in hurling
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In its current state it is simply not possible to Level the playing field or come anyway near it.
Dublin is not the problem rather it is a shining example of what success is all about but unfortunately there is only a small hand full of counties that can compete successfully with Dublin even though it is the third smallest county in the country.
Dublin CB it seems is awash with money enough to finance the counties expenses which is very important, financial sponsors are never a problem either, public transport at the ready, super clubs dotted around the county that are it seems professionally run, the care and well-being of their players are well looked after by a team of Doctors, physios etc. As it should be.
Dublin is also the home of our national media, from TV, radio, press all based in the nation's capital, it also helps to have our national stadium Croke Park in Dublin's back yard. The Dub's are huge crowd pullers especially in finals, so it is conveniently appropriate and coincidental
Dublin gaa because of its successes etc is big business and no one wants to see that change, to try and level the playing field is not going to happen, ever. A restructuring program to retro fit other less fortunate counties with whatever is needed to make them more competitive and a bit more successful.
1. A three-tiered competition / championship. 2. A three divisional league system. 3. A slush fund from Croke Park to finance accordingly if applicable.
To amalgamate counties en block will not work successfully.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3132 - 25/03/2025 13:23:53
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Hurling tiers haven't worked in improving counties.
It has just given them an intercounty avenue that wasn't really there before.
To level the playing field, the strong need to be paired with the weak to share resources and have cross county competitions.
Why not pair Dublin & Wicklow, Mayo and Sligo, Cork and Waterford, Kerry and Limerick etc - would do wonders for underage development.
Not a simple in hurling as all the strong counties are huddled together geographically.
Hurling needs amalgamation of clubs in weaker counties and amalgamation of weaker counties into regional leagues.
A rugby club can travel around Connacht for a match against similar opposition but not in hurling" I think it has worked in particular for Carlow, now watch Kildare this season they are going well and destined soon to win the JMc D cup. The 5 tiers is good for hurling, it's not going to be an instant success but it's anti regressive.
The football problem is a different animal entirely, the amalgamation of counties will not work. Underage coaching at what ever cost is a must, so too is a three tiered competition / championship c/w a three divisional league. To realign counties is an impossible task, but there has to be a more balanced approach to the weaker counties found.
As i have said in a recent post Dublin have all the advantages in every way, that has to change or at least taper off a bit.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3132 - 25/03/2025 13:51:31
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