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Replying To catch22: " Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=Whammo86: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Personally I think too much hand passing has destroyed the game, an absolute skilless spectacle. I would ban any more that two consecutive hand passes and punish any infringement with a free. Also in relation to palmed goals, absolutely horrible, in fact I believe that all scores should be taken by the foot.
For a team to run the length of the field, hand pass the ball all the way and then palm the ball into the net, I'm sorry but that's not Gaelic football, that's a poor mans cross between basketball and rugby.
We have enough robots playing the game as we are, we don't want anymore, thanks." Obviously Gaelic football has its roots in traditional Irish games of football like Caid which was prominent in Kerry. When Gaelic football was codified though it was intentionally looking to take the best elements of soccer AND rugby to create its game. The hand pass was an important element of that earliest of games. So really those that say the hand pass isn't really football are just plainly ignorant of the history and roots of our game. What you describe about hand passing all the way up the pitch is just overly negative hyperbole, it doesn't really happen. Top teams can and do vary their play to work their chances. Without hand passing the mass defense strategy would be even more effective than it already is. Anyway look you're prone to overly negative hyperbole across a lot of your postings here, so much so that you're just not really worth paying attention to and I've already given you more of a response than you deserve."
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/05/2021 17:46:48
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=Whammo86: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Personally I think too much hand passing has destroyed the game, an absolute skilless spectacle. I would ban any more that two consecutive hand passes and punish any infringement with a free. Also in relation to palmed goals, absolutely horrible, in fact I believe that all scores should be taken by the foot.
For a team to run the length of the field, hand pass the ball all the way and then palm the ball into the net, I'm sorry but that's not Gaelic football, that's a poor mans cross between basketball and rugby.
We have enough robots playing the game as we are, we don't want anymore, thanks." Obviously Gaelic football has its roots in traditional Irish games of football like Caid which was prominent in Kerry. When Gaelic football was codified though it was intentionally looking to take the best elements of soccer AND rugby to create its game. The hand pass was an important element of that earliest of games. So really those that say the hand pass isn't really football are just plainly ignorant of the history and roots of our game. What you describe about hand passing all the way up the pitch is just overly negative hyperbole, it doesn't really happen. Top teams can and do vary their play to work their chances. Without hand passing the mass defense strategy would be even more effective than it already is. Anyway look you're prone to overly negative hyperbole across a lot of your postings here, so much so that you're just not really worth paying attention to and I've already given you more of a response than you deserve."
The imbecilic tag seems even more warranted now.
That's you taken care of. Now away to bed with you like a good boy.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/05/2021 18:04:13
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Replying To catch22: " Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=Whammo86: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Personally I think too much hand passing has destroyed the game, an absolute skilless spectacle. I would ban any more that two consecutive hand passes and punish any infringement with a free. Also in relation to palmed goals, absolutely horrible, in fact I believe that all scores should be taken by the foot.
For a team to run the length of the field, hand pass the ball all the way and then palm the ball into the net, I'm sorry but that's not Gaelic football, that's a poor mans cross between basketball and rugby.
We have enough robots playing the game as we are, we don't want anymore, thanks." Obviously Gaelic football has its roots in traditional Irish games of football like Caid which was prominent in Kerry. When Gaelic football was codified though it was intentionally looking to take the best elements of soccer AND rugby to create its game. The hand pass was an important element of that earliest of games. So really those that say the hand pass isn't really football are just plainly ignorant of the history and roots of our game. What you describe about hand passing all the way up the pitch is just overly negative hyperbole, it doesn't really happen. Top teams can and do vary their play to work their chances. Without hand passing the mass defense strategy would be even more effective than it already is. Anyway look you're prone to overly negative hyperbole across a lot of your postings here, so much so that you're just not really worth paying attention to and I've already given you more of a response than you deserve."
The imbecilic tag seems even more warranted now.
That's you taken care of. Now away to bed with you like a good boy."]You don't rate Clifford and you can't wait to leave America, you should never have left the bog. :-)
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/05/2021 18:20:04
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=Whammo86: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Personally I think too much hand passing has destroyed the game, an absolute skilless spectacle. I would ban any more that two consecutive hand passes and punish any infringement with a free. Also in relation to palmed goals, absolutely horrible, in fact I believe that all scores should be taken by the foot.
For a team to run the length of the field, hand pass the ball all the way and then palm the ball into the net, I'm sorry but that's not Gaelic football, that's a poor mans cross between basketball and rugby.
We have enough robots playing the game as we are, we don't want anymore, thanks." Obviously Gaelic football has its roots in traditional Irish games of football like Caid which was prominent in Kerry. When Gaelic football was codified though it was intentionally looking to take the best elements of soccer AND rugby to create its game. The hand pass was an important element of that earliest of games. So really those that say the hand pass isn't really football are just plainly ignorant of the history and roots of our game. What you describe about hand passing all the way up the pitch is just overly negative hyperbole, it doesn't really happen. Top teams can and do vary their play to work their chances. Without hand passing the mass defense strategy would be even more effective than it already is. Anyway look you're prone to overly negative hyperbole across a lot of your postings here, so much so that you're just not really worth paying attention to and I've already given you more of a response than you deserve."
The imbecilic tag seems even more warranted now.
That's you taken care of. Now away to bed with you like a good boy."]You don't rate Clifford and you can't wait to leave America, you should never have left the bog. :-)"]You're not offering too much by way of backing up what you claimed.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/05/2021 20:44:55
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=catch22: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=Whammo86: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Personally I think too much hand passing has destroyed the game, an absolute skilless spectacle. I would ban any more that two consecutive hand passes and punish any infringement with a free. Also in relation to palmed goals, absolutely horrible, in fact I believe that all scores should be taken by the foot.
For a team to run the length of the field, hand pass the ball all the way and then palm the ball into the net, I'm sorry but that's not Gaelic football, that's a poor mans cross between basketball and rugby.
We have enough robots playing the game as we are, we don't want anymore, thanks." Obviously Gaelic football has its roots in traditional Irish games of football like Caid which was prominent in Kerry. When Gaelic football was codified though it was intentionally looking to take the best elements of soccer AND rugby to create its game. The hand pass was an important element of that earliest of games. So really those that say the hand pass isn't really football are just plainly ignorant of the history and roots of our game. What you describe about hand passing all the way up the pitch is just overly negative hyperbole, it doesn't really happen. Top teams can and do vary their play to work their chances. Without hand passing the mass defense strategy would be even more effective than it already is. Anyway look you're prone to overly negative hyperbole across a lot of your postings here, so much so that you're just not really worth paying attention to and I've already given you more of a response than you deserve."
The imbecilic tag seems even more warranted now.
That's you taken care of. Now away to bed with you like a good boy."]You don't rate Clifford and you can't wait to leave America, you should never have left the bog. :-)"]I'm waiting. Is that the best you can do ?
Pretty weak.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/05/2021 22:00:58
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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't think we should force teams to kick.
There are different traditional styles of the game that have developed over the years and I wouldn't want rules that intentionally force hand passing styles out.
Well constructed hand passing moves combining multiple players coordinated with one another can be a pleasure to watch. I think it's additive to the game and I wouldn't want us homogenising the game to force every team to play a kicking game.
It sounds like your plan is to make football more like hurling. I don't think we want to do that." I woukd definitely like to see a higher kick to hand pass ratio (however this is achieved). I also prefer players to mistly remain within their own zone to promote more man to man contests. Good Ulster contests today - Tyrone really kicked on (no pun intended) after Armagh's penalty miss.
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conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 23/05/2021 08:46:12
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Replying To omahant: "I woukd definitely like to see a higher kick to hand pass ratio (however this is achieved). I also prefer players to mistly remain within their own zone to promote more man to man contests. Good Ulster contests today - Tyrone really kicked on (no pun intended) after Armagh's penalty miss." Think you lads are still missing the point. It doesn't really matter to the teams what you would like to see. Their priority is to win football matches. Not to maximise revenue from spectators. And most fans would rather see their team win than play swashbuckling but ultimately losing football.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 23/05/2021 09:20:05
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Replying To Viking66: "Think you lads are still missing the point. It doesn't really matter to the teams what you would like to see. Their priority is to win football matches. Not to maximise revenue from spectators. And most fans would rather see their team win than play swashbuckling but ultimately losing football." I've nothing against sports keeping their games interesting. I just don't think the GAA have done a good job of their recent changes.
I don't think the marks have added anything.
The black card was awful.
Then I think some of the criticisms of the modern game are just unfair.
There's way more games being shown. Watching mediocre teams, that are unlikely to be in the mix at the business end of things is always going to be hard to get excited about.
There's been plenty of fantastic games in recent years, it's just people who backlash against the modern game don't acknowledge these great games.
Honestly was there ever a better match than Dublin v Kerry in 2020.
The worst period of that game was when Kerry were kicking directly into their full forward early in the game. Just throwing away possession. What was interesting was that the quality of ball was actually very good, being played from just inside the 45, accurate, good trajectory on the ball, the delivery was excellent but Dublin were good enough to spoil, have a spare man for the break (they weren't even overcrowding defence) and were able to set up then attacks of their own.
Kerry came into that game by playing more patiently but also there was still intensity to the game, the whole pitch was contested.
This is the prime example of the quality the game can reach but there's been other examples featuring Mayo v Kerry and Dublin over the last few years.
Dublin killed the "blanket", mass defence strategy. They're too good, any team that wants to win Sam will have to be able to play.
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Replying To Whammo86: "I've nothing against sports keeping their games interesting. I just don't think the GAA have done a good job of their recent changes.
I don't think the marks have added anything.
The black card was awful.
Then I think some of the criticisms of the modern game are just unfair.
There's way more games being shown. Watching mediocre teams, that are unlikely to be in the mix at the business end of things is always going to be hard to get excited about.
There's been plenty of fantastic games in recent years, it's just people who backlash against the modern game don't acknowledge these great games.
Honestly was there ever a better match than Dublin v Kerry in 2020.
The worst period of that game was when Kerry were kicking directly into their full forward early in the game. Just throwing away possession. What was interesting was that the quality of ball was actually very good, being played from just inside the 45, accurate, good trajectory on the ball, the delivery was excellent but Dublin were good enough to spoil, have a spare man for the break (they weren't even overcrowding defence) and were able to set up then attacks of their own.
Kerry came into that game by playing more patiently but also there was still intensity to the game, the whole pitch was contested.
This is the prime example of the quality the game can reach but there's been other examples featuring Mayo v Kerry and Dublin over the last few years.
Dublin killed the "blanket", mass defence strategy. They're too good, any team that wants to win Sam will have to be able to play." For sure Whammo. A team to beat Dublin would have to have pacy big backs who can tackle well without giving away fouls and 2 footed forwards who can kick points from distance. Dublin are well set up to prevent goals. Agree the marks are a terrible stop to the flow of the game. Black cards for preventing goal opportunities a good idea but Im not sure if they should be given out the field. The main thing I'm thinking is that too many rules makes the refs jobs harder and stops the flow of the game. I think a bit more contact should be permitted which would make the refs jobs easier as regards keeping an eye out for plain dirty or dangerous play instead of a myriad of other less serious transgressions of the "way too many" rules that have been introduced lately. More permitted contact would also mean that alot of the diving would be pointless as the contact wouldn't be illegal in the 1st place. A 1 handed pull on an arm or shirt for example shouldn't result in a whistle for a foul and/or a player rolling around as if hed been shot. Dirty dangerous play like shoulders or elbows into the chest or head should be automatic red card offences on the other hand. Less rules might lead to better enforcement and more flow to the game I guess.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 23/05/2021 11:51:25
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The lgfa coined the phrase, "Level the playing field." And it's working very well for them, to some extent we are playing catch up, the only noticeable difference is the ladies can pick the ball directly off the ground, gaelic football imo is a cross between Australian rules football, basketball, volleyball, and rugby, it falls short of being a mongrelised sport.
Things like too much lateral and back passing, the mark, the black card, the so called advantage / and or free are slowly choking the game slowly. For the past 50 years Dublin has not brought positive excitement to leinster football rather it has passivated leinsters ability to challenge for top honours.
Dublin has been in full flight with major honours to their credit for the past 6 years at least, they have almost owned leinster for the past 50 years, no apparent effort has been made to level that field since or before.
There will be a major sigh of relief if / when the Dub's are beaten, it will then be said there's no longer a problem, it has self-regulated, and corrected it self.
Absolutel no offence to any other county but only for Mayo's presence over the past few years, 6 in particular gaelic football would be in a much poorer state, Mayo's stubbornness, resilience, and determination kept much needed pride in the game.
We all have and share our opinions here hoping they might catch on some time and ultimately improve the game some however small.
The media have a roll to play in all of this, as do our national broadcaster however neither are doing the game any favours, it's all about glamourizing, window dressing, papering over the cracks so to speak, the Sunday game has gone too political correct, I have switched off since Joe Brolly was booted out, - twice.
Anyway some are happy some are not, that's life.
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Replying To supersub15: "The lgfa coined the phrase, "Level the playing field." And it's working very well for them, to some extent we are playing catch up, the only noticeable difference is the ladies can pick the ball directly off the ground, gaelic football imo is a cross between Australian rules football, basketball, volleyball, and rugby, it falls short of being a mongrelised sport.
Things like too much lateral and back passing, the mark, the black card, the so called advantage / and or free are slowly choking the game slowly. For the past 50 years Dublin has not brought positive excitement to leinster football rather it has passivated leinsters ability to challenge for top honours.
Dublin has been in full flight with major honours to their credit for the past 6 years at least, they have almost owned leinster for the past 50 years, no apparent effort has been made to level that field since or before.
There will be a major sigh of relief if / when the Dub's are beaten, it will then be said there's no longer a problem, it has self-regulated, and corrected it self.
Absolutel no offence to any other county but only for Mayo's presence over the past few years, 6 in particular gaelic football would be in a much poorer state, Mayo's stubbornness, resilience, and determination kept much needed pride in the game.
We all have and share our opinions here hoping they might catch on some time and ultimately improve the game some however small.
The media have a roll to play in all of this, as do our national broadcaster however neither are doing the game any favours, it's all about glamourizing, window dressing, papering over the cracks so to speak, the Sunday game has gone too political correct, I have switched off since Joe Brolly was booted out, - twice.
Anyway some are happy some are not, that's life." I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying here. Football needs more than 2 challengers to Dublin.
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Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4224 - 23/05/2021 14:04:00
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arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 23/05/2021 15:42:34
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Replying To Viking66: "Think you lads are still missing the point. It doesn't really matter to the teams what you would like to see. Their priority is to win football matches. Not to maximise revenue from spectators. And most fans would rather see their team win than play swashbuckling but ultimately losing football." Nothing wrong with winning an entertaining sport - are Dubs fans getting tired of lack of competition ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 23/05/2021 17:41:28
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Replying To supersub15: "The lgfa coined the phrase, "Level the playing field." And it's working very well for them, to some extent we are playing catch up, the only noticeable difference is the ladies can pick the ball directly off the ground, gaelic football imo is a cross between Australian rules football, basketball, volleyball, and rugby, it falls short of being a mongrelised sport.
Things like too much lateral and back passing, the mark, the black card, the so called advantage / and or free are slowly choking the game slowly. For the past 50 years Dublin has not brought positive excitement to leinster football rather it has passivated leinsters ability to challenge for top honours.
Dublin has been in full flight with major honours to their credit for the past 6 years at least, they have almost owned leinster for the past 50 years, no apparent effort has been made to level that field since or before.
There will be a major sigh of relief if / when the Dub's are beaten, it will then be said there's no longer a problem, it has self-regulated, and corrected it self.
Absolutel no offence to any other county but only for Mayo's presence over the past few years, 6 in particular gaelic football would be in a much poorer state, Mayo's stubbornness, resilience, and determination kept much needed pride in the game.
We all have and share our opinions here hoping they might catch on some time and ultimately improve the game some however small.
The media have a roll to play in all of this, as do our national broadcaster however neither are doing the game any favours, it's all about glamourizing, window dressing, papering over the cracks so to speak, the Sunday game has gone too political correct, I have switched off since Joe Brolly was booted out, - twice.
Anyway some are happy some are not, that's life." I think the 'pick the ball near the ground' should be better administered - either get rid of the pickup off the ground, or allow the pick only when there is clear daylight between ball and ground - say, ball must be hopping to halfway between ground and knee - otherwise, standing up straight, flick up with foot. For decades, the pick up has been abused.
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Just saw the re-run of Donegal v Kildare in a 2011 AIC QF on EIR 2 - what a game, playing of kicking and strings of handpasses that didn't bother me as there was plenty of kicking - I still feel a kicking rule could be introduced to ensure we get it in all games.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 23/05/2021 19:58:43
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Replying To omahant: "I think the 'pick the ball near the ground' should be better administered - either get rid of the pickup off the ground, or allow the pick only when there is clear daylight between ball and ground - say, ball must be hopping to halfway between ground and knee - otherwise, standing up straight, flick up with foot. For decades, the pick up has been abused." I was always of the opinion that a rolling ball should not be considered a blatant pick up and therefore no free should be given.
It's a different kettle of fish when the ball is stopped dead, then it can be considered a definite pick up, a blatant fowl and an obvious free.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 23/05/2021 21:39:36
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Replying To supersub15: "I was always of the opinion that a rolling ball should not be considered a blatant pick up and therefore no free should be given.
It's a different kettle of fish when the ball is stopped dead, then it can be considered a definite pick up, a blatant fowl and an obvious free." What is the thinking behind the pick up rule anyway? Why was it decided years and years ago that you couldn't simply pick the ball off the ground?
Genuinely want to know, I can't think of a reason for it offhand, except for maybe they felt a pick up was too similar to rugby?
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 24/05/2021 00:02:59
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Replying To supersub15: "I was always of the opinion that a rolling ball should not be considered a blatant pick up and therefore no free should be given.
It's a different kettle of fish when the ball is stopped dead, then it can be considered a definite pick up, a blatant fowl and an obvious free." Making that the official rule would be an improvement - essentially, it would be like allowing a pick up in almost all cases (90%+) - and maybe that'd be ok. Alternatively, rolling or still balls could be "soccered" into the hands of a team mate or oneself.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 24/05/2021 03:53:07
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It's going to be difficult enough if not impossible for those interested, in keeping tabs here on "Level the playing field." - Pity.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 06/10/2021 15:20:48
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