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Replying To tonguey:  "It is bonkers stuff this idea. No merit to it and it only sounds good and that is all that matters. Ask these experts for specifics and they can't answer. They complain about everything and anything but offer no tangible realistic solutions. They are all soundbites and real GAA people know they will not work. But the experts here would have you believe otherwise."
I don't think Omahant thinks this would actually work in reality.

A lot of his posts are more ideas to encourage discussion.

I don't think anyone would really want the above.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3626 - 15/05/2021 20:33:12    2342098

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Replying To tonguey:  "It is bonkers stuff this idea. No merit to it and it only sounds good and that is all that matters. Ask these experts for specifics and they can't answer. They complain about everything and anything but offer no tangible realistic solutions. They are all soundbites and real GAA people know they will not work. But the experts here would have you believe otherwise."
What would be your final (ish) suggestion be.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2469 - 15/05/2021 20:35:30    2342100

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Replying To tonguey:  "It is bonkers stuff this idea. No merit to it and it only sounds good and that is all that matters. Ask these experts for specifics and they can't answer. They complain about everything and anything but offer no tangible realistic solutions. They are all soundbites and real GAA people know they will not work. But the experts here would have you believe otherwise."
Agree Tonguey. I'd rather go watch Wexford footballers play Waterford Wicklow Carlow in a Division 4 game in the rain than any made up Leinster South Region playing a Munster North or whoever. And I'd rather see the local club play intermediate than see them amalgamated and play senior. Most of the lads proposing these changes probably never go to see their county teams playing live anyway.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 15/05/2021 20:38:34    2342103

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't think Omahant thinks this would actually work in reality.

A lot of his posts are more ideas to encourage discussion.

I don't think anyone would really want the above."
Yes, encouage discussion - but I do want to 'solve' the current AIC disparities. Do Rugby fans feel as affiliated with their Prov (home turf) as much as GAA fans do their county?

I think a Leitrim or Antrim fan (you) could now dream of his regional team, Connacht North or Ulster East winning the AIC - call it the GAA Super League, if you must.

In my regions plan, I purposely kept certain Prov rivals in opposing teams - Cork/Kerry, Mayo/Galway, Meath/Kildare, Donegal/Armagh/Monaghan.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 01:40:34    2342204

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Replying To omahant:  "Yes, encouage discussion - but I do want to 'solve' the current AIC disparities. Do Rugby fans feel as affiliated with their Prov (home turf) as much as GAA fans do their county?

I think a Leitrim or Antrim fan (you) could now dream of his regional team, Connacht North or Ulster East winning the AIC - call it the GAA Super League, if you must.

In my regions plan, I purposely kept certain Prov rivals in opposing teams - Cork/Kerry, Mayo/Galway, Meath/Kildare, Donegal/Armagh/Monaghan."
Still dont think many if any GAA fans would be interested in watching it. Professional Rugby was organized along provincial lines since long before it became professional. Sadly the Railway Cups, the interprovincial GAA championships, fizzled out due to complete lack of spectator interest. Your proposal would have even less appeal. Also there are healthy rivalries between many of the counties you have lumped together. Offaly v Laois, Wexford v Carlow v Wicklow, Meath v Westmeath etc etc

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 16/05/2021 08:51:23    2342221

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Replying To omahant:  "Yes, encouage discussion - but I do want to 'solve' the current AIC disparities. Do Rugby fans feel as affiliated with their Prov (home turf) as much as GAA fans do their county?

I think a Leitrim or Antrim fan (you) could now dream of his regional team, Connacht North or Ulster East winning the AIC - call it the GAA Super League, if you must.

In my regions plan, I purposely kept certain Prov rivals in opposing teams - Cork/Kerry, Mayo/Galway, Meath/Kildare, Donegal/Armagh/Monaghan."
Oh and at the other end of the country the rivalries between Donegal, Derry and Tyrone would be intense to say the least. All your regions contain counties with good rivalries.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 16/05/2021 08:53:25    2342222

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Replying To Viking66:  "Agree Tonguey. I'd rather go watch Wexford footballers play Waterford Wicklow Carlow in a Division 4 game in the rain than any made up Leinster South Region playing a Munster North or whoever. And I'd rather see the local club play intermediate than see them amalgamated and play senior. Most of the lads proposing these changes probably never go to see their county teams playing live anyway."
Yeah look for me.

All I'd want is for there to be a more league based championship, so that teams get more important games in their season.

I'd also want a revamp of some of the GAA distribution methods. Completely remove competition based distributions for instance.

Keep the coaches in Dublin but push more coaching and better practices in other counties.

Let's see where that sort of stuff takes us ahead of anything else.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3626 - 16/05/2021 09:34:39    2342234

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Yeah look for me.

All I'd want is for there to be a more league based championship, so that teams get more important games in their season.

I'd also want a revamp of some of the GAA distribution methods. Completely remove competition based distributions for instance.

Keep the coaches in Dublin but push more coaching and better practices in other counties.

Let's see where that sort of stuff takes us ahead of anything else."
You arent proposing that Antrim play in a made up regional team with Down Whammo. More coaches and national/primary school initiatives in so called weaker counties paid for by Croke Park would definitely be a better way to go.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 16/05/2021 10:37:13    2342247

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Replying To Viking66:  "You arent proposing that Antrim play in a made up regional team with Down Whammo. More coaches and national/primary school initiatives in so called weaker counties paid for by Croke Park would definitely be a better way to go."
Agree 100%. This other stuff that some posters are coming up with is absolutely silly.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 16/05/2021 15:15:09    2342351

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Replying To omahant:  "Yes, encouage discussion - but I do want to 'solve' the current AIC disparities. Do Rugby fans feel as affiliated with their Prov (home turf) as much as GAA fans do their county?

I think a Leitrim or Antrim fan (you) could now dream of his regional team, Connacht North or Ulster East winning the AIC - call it the GAA Super League, if you must.

In my regions plan, I purposely kept certain Prov rivals in opposing teams - Cork/Kerry, Mayo/Galway, Meath/Kildare, Donegal/Armagh/Monaghan."
Shur ya have people in parts of Leinster supporting Munster in the rugby. A regional team would mean jack to players or supporters. And ya can chop and change but until funding parity is restored then Dublin will win every year

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 16/05/2021 15:43:13    2342363

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Shur ya have people in parts of Leinster supporting Munster in the rugby. A regional team would mean jack to players or supporters. And ya can chop and change but until funding parity is restored then Dublin will win every year"
To be fair though Leinster Rugby only represents a part of South County Dublin.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1391 - 16/05/2021 16:36:40    2342387

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I thought level the playing field was to do with gender inbalances, but in the caveman world of GAA football its about Dublin!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4732 - 16/05/2021 16:41:11    2342389

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Replying To Viking66:  "Agree Tonguey. I'd rather go watch Wexford footballers play Waterford Wicklow Carlow in a Division 4 game in the rain than any made up Leinster South Region playing a Munster North or whoever. And I'd rather see the local club play intermediate than see them amalgamated and play senior. Most of the lads proposing these changes probably never go to see their county teams playing live anyway."
It would be difficult from here to be honest!

Unlike hurling, football needs a facelift from top to bottom - rules, competitions, closer matches etc - it needs an IPL type structure - as those teams have no history, where do the fans come from ? - is football supposed to be exciting - or form over substance will just do ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 17:47:11    2342424

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Shur ya have people in parts of Leinster supporting Munster in the rugby. A regional team would mean jack to players or supporters. And ya can chop and change but until funding parity is restored then Dublin will win every year"
Happens all the time - don't certain out of region EPL fans follow a favourite Top 6 team too ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 17:52:01    2342429

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Do you agree that creating new regional teams is no more radical than splitting Dublin?

If yes, then Dublin may be more willing to split if every other county is also part of a new set up.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 17:59:32    2342439

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I have images of you all protesting outside Croke Park, with calls from the Government insisting I back down, as phone calls from Agnelli ask me to stay the course :)

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 18:15:21    2342451

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Shur ya have people in parts of Leinster supporting Munster in the rugby. A regional team would mean jack to players or supporters. And ya can chop and change but until funding parity is restored then Dublin will win every year"
Why such Munster support - is it an anti-Dub feeling ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2151 - 16/05/2021 18:28:23    2342455

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Replying To omahant:  "It would be difficult from here to be honest!

Unlike hurling, football needs a facelift from top to bottom - rules, competitions, closer matches etc - it needs an IPL type structure - as those teams have no history, where do the fans come from ? - is football supposed to be exciting - or form over substance will just do ?"
I watch IPL support Mumbai as I was nearly born in then Bombay. Long story. But it's a brand new competition in a new format of the game. It hasnt replaced traditional organized cricket in India. And it works ok because its fully professional. It wouldn't work without that.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 16/05/2021 19:09:52    2342482

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Replying To omahant:  "Do you agree that creating new regional teams is no more radical than splitting Dublin?

If yes, then Dublin may be more willing to split if every other county is also part of a new set up."
I wouldn't want to see Dublin split any more than I'd like to see GAA go fully professional.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3324 - 16/05/2021 19:10:45    2342484

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I would not favour amalgamations, nor would I favour splitting Dublin. I think competitions need to be restructured as does funding and coaching to level the playing field in terms of player development and preparation and equal number of games, it would take many years to redress the imbalance (financial) but once that is achieved at least counties would only have their natural advantages such as population and tradition and I wouldnt complain about that.

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 191 - 17/05/2021 00:31:29    2342621

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