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Brian Cody 23rd Season

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Conor Phelan has been added to the Kilkenny backroom team to replace DJ Carey can't say I know a lot about him.

Maroonforever (Galway) - Posts: 381 - 20/01/2021 16:40:48    2328237

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Replying To gatha:  "Cody has done the next manager a great favor by staying on a few years after his last All Ireland win. The talent isn't there right now and if a new manager came in say in '16 or '17 they would have been under severe pressure to win with a team that isn't a top 4 team. Now when the next manager does come in the supporters will probably a bit more understanding. I know Cody isn't thinking like this, He is surely trying to win the 2021 All Ireland that's what made him great the never give in attitude."
Not sure I take that from it TBH.

The one out and out star on the team currently is TJ Reid (Eoin Murphy accepted) and IMO he's only another year or two at the peak of his powers and he will probably carry the burden for Kilkenny whilst they rebuild and rebuild they must.
I think that a new man with new ideas on the modern game would like to do that now with TJ still there as Cody, the greatest manager in my lifetime and beyond needs to step down.

Time and hurling waits for no man and whilst the doggedness of Kilkenny certainly won them a Leinster title they'd no right to win in 2020 they are between styles and when the pressure comes on like it did against Galway they lumped high ball up to TJ now operating closer to the goals and got lucky with Daithi Burke slipping and the Galway keeper being less than forceful when coming out.

They were cleaned out by Waterford in the second half when they reverted to type yet again by lumping high, long ball into the forwards. Same the end of the 2019 AI final v Tipp and made a hero of Barry Heffernan.
If they ever meet Limerick in 2021 in anger then I'm expecting Limerick to exact a serious revenge on them for the beatings they've taken over the 00's and 10's.

Kilkenny need a new style and they know it

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2478 - 20/01/2021 16:45:31    2328241

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Replying To bricktop:  "Not sure I take that from it TBH.

The one out and out star on the team currently is TJ Reid (Eoin Murphy accepted) and IMO he's only another year or two at the peak of his powers and he will probably carry the burden for Kilkenny whilst they rebuild and rebuild they must.
I think that a new man with new ideas on the modern game would like to do that now with TJ still there as Cody, the greatest manager in my lifetime and beyond needs to step down.

Time and hurling waits for no man and whilst the doggedness of Kilkenny certainly won them a Leinster title they'd no right to win in 2020 they are between styles and when the pressure comes on like it did against Galway they lumped high ball up to TJ now operating closer to the goals and got lucky with Daithi Burke slipping and the Galway keeper being less than forceful when coming out.

They were cleaned out by Waterford in the second half when they reverted to type yet again by lumping high, long ball into the forwards. Same the end of the 2019 AI final v Tipp and made a hero of Barry Heffernan.
If they ever meet Limerick in 2021 in anger then I'm expecting Limerick to exact a serious revenge on them for the beatings they've taken over the 00's and 10's.

Kilkenny need a new style and they know it"
Kilkenny certainly owe Limerick no hidings, they were well capable of dishing out revenge to all counties in the past, Limerick are deserving champions, and if anything Limerick owe Kilkenny from the "65" that wasnt awarded at end of semifinal in 2019...Kilkenny have and always seem to have had good fortune over the years (ball over the sideline V Tipp in one of the All Irelands some years ago, not spotted, Tipp hesitated thinking ball would be waved out, never happened, either Eddie Brennan or Shefflin got a goal (they got 2 quick goals not sure I Think Brennans was first)....so Kilkenny need not feel grieved by any result....Tommy Walsh swinging the hurl at the Tipp player and hitting the referee....sorry..off you go Tommy was what should have happend instead of "he wasnt swinging the hurl at the referee" when he hit him... you swung the hurl, not even during a phase of play but during a melee....leave it so...Seamus Hickey taken out at start of 2007 AI final...LImerick midfielder in 2019 also flattened early on in the that game....

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 444 - 20/01/2021 17:41:55    2328248

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I think your right on two fronts, Cody as we know is a ruthless manager, and I think, Ger Aylward, and Fennelly and even Murphy were picking up vibes that they were not going to feature this year and got their "oar" in first if you know what I mean. I know we are in unprecedented times, but I cannot remember a Kilkenny player taking time out before (I know someone will come on and tell me of one or two but in recent years "times outs" are not a Kilkenny thing that i read about anyway...Cody dispensed with Philly Larkin, Eamon Kennedy (man of the match in 2000 against us) and other notable names along the way, Charlie Carter too there was "in and out" and "whats the story" etc. around him that time too...I do think the end game for Cody has probably arrived, he is being left in situ which is fair enough if thats what the County Board want, but while not betting man, ide say alot of these opt outs and there will be more to follow are connected to Cody staying on....Shefflin and Eddie Brenan are probably loyal to Cody and wont present for the managers job until he says he is going himself...thats my tuppence on it..some hurlers going there that would get on most county team..pity to see...Ger Aylward only 28..."
Yeah I agree, you never see Kilkenny players taking a year out like other counties . They get one chance to play and that's that. Imagine going up to Cody and telling him you want to go travelling for the year and you'll be back. Good luck. Can't see Fennelly coming back in under Cody.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1014 - 20/01/2021 20:14:20    2328257

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Replying To Bon:  "Yeah I agree, you never see Kilkenny players taking a year out like other counties . They get one chance to play and that's that. Imagine going up to Cody and telling him you want to go travelling for the year and you'll be back. Good luck. Can't see Fennelly coming back in under Cody."
I see a few of the star Waterford under age players back for Waterford this year, announced yesterday, DJ Foran being one whom was a star underage and I think featured briefly before Liam Cahill took charge...they have a few injuries still, Pauraic Mahony and Darragh Fives etc...what a pity Phillip Mahony wont opt in..he might be the missing link in way...Shane Bennett also back..again..a huge lift..if only they could get Phillip Mahony now and one or two others possibly...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 444 - 21/01/2021 12:27:22    2328301

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I see a few of the star Waterford under age players back for Waterford this year, announced yesterday, DJ Foran being one whom was a star underage and I think featured briefly before Liam Cahill took charge...they have a few injuries still, Pauraic Mahony and Darragh Fives etc...what a pity Phillip Mahony wont opt in..he might be the missing link in way...Shane Bennett also back..again..a huge lift..if only they could get Phillip Mahony now and one or two others possibly..."
Yes indeed. I had high hopes for Waterford this year, especially after Austin Gleeson's statement of intent, and was not a bit surprised they as well as they did. I genuinely think there is more in them.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2658 - 21/01/2021 15:29:53    2328344

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Replying To gatha:  "Cody has done the next manager a great favor by staying on a few years after his last All Ireland win. The talent isn't there right now and if a new manager came in say in '16 or '17 they would have been under severe pressure to win with a team that isn't a top 4 team. Now when the next manager does come in the supporters will probably a bit more understanding. I know Cody isn't thinking like this, He is surely trying to win the 2021 All Ireland that's what made him great the never give in attitude."
i know a lot of kilkenny people who think this way.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3905 - 22/01/2021 10:00:53    2328438

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