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Replying To Horsebox77: "Jez K'boy many's a night I spent queuing outside the Hillgrove to the mobile chopper van ... god looking back on it and then wander out further west to the digs on the Milltown road roundabout .. the blast of sea air would sober the head off ya...." Ah the salty air and chipper food is a great cure for the ould hangover horse.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/01/2021 12:46:55
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Laochra Gael is one of the best things TG4 have done. Really enjoy watching the show.
Have to say I don't know much about either man. J Mc Guinness brought some great days to those in Donegal and winning an All Ireland is ultimately what he was in the job to do.
He wouldn't be the first manager that had to make a hard call on a player though and this came across as a bit of an attempt to stamp his authority on things and make an example of Cassidy.
Kevin Cassidy was a top player and seems like a guy who is very much his own man and wouldn't like the idea of being told what he could and couldn't do.
Pity he missed out on the All Ireland medal. Seems like it was his own choice in the end to stay away and probably would have been awkward in the camp had he returned I'd imagine.
Perhaps some of the limited appreciation for McGuinness outside Donegal is to do with the style of play that was introduced under his watch. The initial and lasting impression is probably what was in place in 2011 which was still raw and a job in progress it wasn't everyone's cup of tea.
It developed afterwards and became a very effective style for Donegal and of course ultimately won the prize.
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Parallels with the current controversy with Damien Duff and the FAI.Some person in the setup leaked the story about the video and Duff obviously as a matter of principle felt he couldn't work with people that were prepared to break the bond within the group.I don't think that McGuinness had any other choice but to let Cassidy go.There are probably other managers that given the quality of the player involved would have done differently but what would that have done to the morale within the squad.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1054 - 10/01/2021 16:15:08
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Great program on Cass and Gaoth Dobhair, I love TG4, best station on the telly in my opinion, pity he missed out in 2012 but that's water under the bridge now, some story for a lad born in the east end of Glasgow, a hell of a player and one of the best to ever wear the Donegal shirt, 2 time All star says it all for me.
Jim said in his book that time TG4 interviewed him and Cass in close proximity was a set up on him and Cass and he wasn't happy about it at the time to say the least, 2 great Donegal men who done their best for Tir Chonaill, warriors who gave their all for Donegal, both are well liked and respected here. we could do with both of them back managing us together, be some team in the dugout.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2733 - 10/01/2021 18:54:34
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Replying To gunman: "Parallels with the current controversy with Damien Duff and the FAI.Some person in the setup leaked the story about the video and Duff obviously as a matter of principle felt he couldn't work with people that were prepared to break the bond within the group.I don't think that McGuinness had any other choice but to let Cassidy go.There are probably other managers that given the quality of the player involved would have done differently but what would that have done to the morale within the squad." Seemingly he tried to get Cassidy back.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1693 - 10/01/2021 18:55:35
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Replying To arock: "In fairness he came across as having no regrets, but I am sure deep down that hurt. But isnt it wonderful the way his club and community rallied around him? And he got an All Ireland medal in the end." What all Ireland medal did he get in the end ?
eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 10/01/2021 21:21:05
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Replying To TheFlaker: "See this is what baffles me from people looking in on the outside. McGuinness changed the whole mindset of Donegal from underage to senior and their way of doing things had improved no end. But people see him as annoying or OTT despite not knowing him. But the same people see Cassidy as sound for no particular reason.
Cassidy has had his fair share of bother off the pitch including one incident that made the papers. But hey he is sound and McGuinness is grating. I know you didn't mean to make it sound as you did but I am really baffled at some of the opinions on the two men." Yes he certainly "bit off more than he could chew" in that case
eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 10/01/2021 21:28:19
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Replying To FootblockREF: "McGuiness overreacted which wasn't rare for him. Didn't he refuse to do the press conference after the 2012 All Ireland Final because Declan Bogue was in the room and it was still about the book written in the previous year? Also he accused Stephen Gollogy of a dirty challenge in the 2013 Ulster Final when he simply wanted the ball more.
Cassidy comes off well in the programme. The revelation that he was asked back in 2012 damages McGuinness' credibility. McGee's don't come off great but in fairness they were in a very difficult situation." The fact that McGuinness asked him back should surely be seen as an olive branch and not weakness? The McGees had nothing to do with the situation, they were playing for their county and the matter was between Jim and Kevin.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 11/01/2021 08:45:47
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Firstly, well done to TG4 on another excellent Laochra Gael episode. Kevin was an outstanding footballer blessed with natural power and athleticism. The old footage of him as a minor and u21 player says it all. Showing my age now, but I attended u21 trials once upon a time and a match was organized between us hopefuls and Sligo I.T. (who had a large Donegal contingent at the time). Off I trotted to wing forward only to be met by Cass. Let's just say I didn't make the cut and leave it at that.
With regard to the McGuinness situation I think it was a case of two huge personalities meeting head on, and McGuinness being the manager felt he had to draw a line in the sand. Otherwise he would have felt undermined in front of the rest of the squad. Jim knew all about the years of indiscipline, sure he was in the thick of it himself half the time. It was a most unfortunate and sad way for Kevin's county career to end. But ultimately, I'm sure that Jim felt his decision was vindicated with the All Ireland success that followed.
The McGees were in a difficult situation alright. However, in Eamon's case he had just about been welcomed back into the fold in 2011 on the strict proviso that he leave his disciplinary misdemeanors in the past so he has hardly going to rock the boat again, club mate or no club mate. He would have found himself joining Cassidy. In Neil's case, he is probably even more his own man than Jim or Cass if that's possible so once he decided he was still committed to the county that was it.
Thankfully for Cassidy, he was able to extend his club career and reinvent himself as a full forward. Winning Ulster was a proud day for the Gaoth Dobhair club and parish and well, we all know that they celebrated in the age old fashion!
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9103 - 11/01/2021 10:29:33
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Replying To wexico15: "I may look it up too, great version of the song and brilliant show last night, never knew of his links to Glasgow, what he did with his Ulster medal is a mark of the man." We agree on Cassidy, a mighty footballer; but that song would give me the dry bokes : )
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 11/01/2021 11:37:20
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Replying To FootblockREF: "McGuiness overreacted which wasn't rare for him. Didn't he refuse to do the press conference after the 2012 All Ireland Final because Declan Bogue was in the room and it was still about the book written in the previous year? Also he accused Stephen Gollogy of a dirty challenge in the 2013 Ulster Final when he simply wanted the ball more.
Cassidy comes off well in the programme. The revelation that he was asked back in 2012 damages McGuinness' credibility. McGee's don't come off great but in fairness they were in a very difficult situation." What do you mean "revelation"? Everyone knows Jim asked him back, it was well publicised at the time and in the years since. You're talking nonsense. I believe at the time Cass had made his peace with not returning and was happy without the huge committment required.
In terms of the McGees you're again talking nonsense.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 11/01/2021 11:39:46
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A great program on the best channel we have in Ireland. They put out brilliant programming at TG4.
Cass in 2011 was an absolute colossus and in spite of himself saying he has no regrets, I personally feel bad that he didn't get to lift Sam. I think Jim handled it pretty much in the only way he could. People forget that Kevin was at the very core of the group of "wild lads" in Donegal, that's not to take away from him he would say it himself I'm sure. Jim let Eamon McGee back into the squad on the strict condition he'd cut out the indiscipline, and Eamon and Kevin would've been thick as thieves. As far as Jim saw it, Kevin had to be punished and reaching out to him later in the 2012 league campaign to invite him back showed that he never intended it to be a permanent thing.
It is what it is, like I said I personally feel sad for Kevin that he didn't get his Celtic Cross but I know that Jim and Kevin would both say they've no regrets at all. You've to remember as well that Kevin was going to retire from inter-county in 2010 before Jim convinced him to stay on.
I remember in the drawn quarter-final against Dublin in 2002 Cass was absolutely sensational (McGuinness got a point that day!). He won an All-Star that year in his first season at inter-county level.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 11/01/2021 11:51:35
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In the midst of all the talk about Cass missing out on the medal I couldn't help thinking about Michael Hegarty missing out too not through any dispute or disharmony but just deciding to retire from intercounty after 2011.He was still playing good football last year at what age ,is he 38 or 39.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1054 - 11/01/2021 12:11:45
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In regards to Kevin Cassidy he is playing the media like a pied piper. The real heroes who played for Donegal and not a whimper out of them are as u mentioned,
Michael Hegarty
Damien Diver
Brian Roper
Adrian Sweeney
These are the lads who Donegal folk respect. Cassidy has built up a media profile and a myth around himself. If you were to really dig into his career, it would make for very interesting reading.
ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 724 - 11/01/2021 12:45:31
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Replying To FootblockREF: "McGuiness overreacted which wasn't rare for him. Didn't he refuse to do the press conference after the 2012 All Ireland Final because Declan Bogue was in the room and it was still about the book written in the previous year? Also he accused Stephen Gollogy of a dirty challenge in the 2013 Ulster Final when he simply wanted the ball more.
Cassidy comes off well in the programme. The revelation that he was asked back in 2012 damages McGuinness' credibility. McGee's don't come off great but in fairness they were in a very difficult situation." Watch that tackle again, both feet off the ground Gollogy went after the player not the ball.
McGuinness asked back Cassidy does nothing but show him in a good light that he did not hold a grudge at the expense of Donegal GAA .
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Replying To ryan: "In regards to Kevin Cassidy he is playing the media like a pied piper. The real heroes who played for Donegal and not a whimper out of them are as u mentioned,
Michael Hegarty
Damien Diver
Brian Roper
Adrian Sweeney
These are the lads who Donegal folk respect. Cassidy has built up a media profile and a myth around himself. If you were to really dig into his career, it would make for very interesting reading." Would hate our reflections on Laochra Gael (Tg4) to become a continuation of the McGuinness/Cassidy saga. Both men contributed well to GAA in their county. The documentary was bound to present KC in a good light with contributions coming mainly from himself, family and friends. It didn't seek to give a balanced view of that regretful controversy as his life story was fascinating in itself. I did note however a journalist having a pop at JMcG at the beginning of the programme, the same journalist who labelled the Donegal panel as "sheep" in November '11 for remaining loyal to management. He wasn't the first Tipp man to define a panel of amateur players as sheep just months before the offended team went on to win an All Ireland ..a lucky omen perhaps. Credit to the Donegal players and management for remaining united and focusing on the '12 championship.
Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 503 - 11/01/2021 13:44:39
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Replying To ryan: "In regards to Kevin Cassidy he is playing the media like a pied piper. The real heroes who played for Donegal and not a whimper out of them are as u mentioned,
Michael Hegarty
Damien Diver
Brian Roper
Adrian Sweeney
These are the lads who Donegal folk respect. Cassidy has built up a media profile and a myth around himself. If you were to really dig into his career, it would make for very interesting reading." He loves the attention for sure.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7882 - 11/01/2021 14:07:22
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Replying To FootblockREF: "McGuiness overreacted which wasn't rare for him. Didn't he refuse to do the press conference after the 2012 All Ireland Final because Declan Bogue was in the room and it was still about the book written in the previous year? Also he accused Stephen Gollogy of a dirty challenge in the 2013 Ulster Final when he simply wanted the ball more.
Cassidy comes off well in the programme. The revelation that he was asked back in 2012 damages McGuinness' credibility. McGee's don't come off great but in fairness they were in a very difficult situation." If it was just simply down to him wanting the ball more then why did Gollogly feel the need to roll around on the ground pretending he had a head injury afterwards? The free was given against Monaghan as well.
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 11/01/2021 14:29:17
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Really enjoyed it. I think both Cassidy and McGuinness came off well in different ways.
Cassidy made a big mistake by not disclosing the book to Jim and the entire group. However he then made the personal sacrifice by staying away and not distracting the group who were on a mission.
McGuinness in his response of showing him the door put the group first despite the qualities Cassidy brought to the table. He reflected on his decision subsequently and offered Cassidy the chance to come back in.
Both showed the ability to acknowledge their mistakes and ultimately Donegal completed their mission. I think every GAA fan was delighted to see Gaoth Dobhair win Ulster that time with Cassidy at 14
It's a great series and TG4 should be commended. Here is to the next 20 years.
A side note.. The interview with Jim on the pitch with Cassidy 3 feet away was TV Gold.
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Replying To unclegerry: "Really enjoyed it. I think both Cassidy and McGuinness came off well in different ways.
Cassidy made a big mistake by not disclosing the book to Jim and the entire group. However he then made the personal sacrifice by staying away and not distracting the group who were on a mission.
McGuinness in his response of showing him the door put the group first despite the qualities Cassidy brought to the table. He reflected on his decision subsequently and offered Cassidy the chance to come back in.
Both showed the ability to acknowledge their mistakes and ultimately Donegal completed their mission. I think every GAA fan was delighted to see Gaoth Dobhair win Ulster that time with Cassidy at 14
It's a great series and TG4 should be commended. Here is to the next 20 years.
A side note.. The interview with Jim on the pitch with Cassidy 3 feet away was TV Gold." A fantastic channel, but I would love if they could bring back seó spóirt, a fantastic program that would rival any other sports program except maybe not the NFL show on BBC 1.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/01/2021 15:22:06
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