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It's a couple of days now since the game and my emotions aren't as high but the feeling of wrong doing with Peter Casey won't dissappear. Yes in hindsight after the Gillane incident we were always going to come off a bit worse with decisions. Maybe I was harsh on the referee before because he did in fairness allow the hard but very fair hits from both sides. Perhaps from whatever angle he genuinely thought Barry Nash didn't hit a square shoulder.
It's just amazing that even Duignan stated that we weren't getting any frees in the second half. That's saying something.
The narrative around us has definitely influenced officials' decisions. How any umpire/linesman could see a headbut from that incident beggers belief. Teams know this and are going down like there's no tomorrow and Cork will be no different.
Anthony Daly called it at the start of the calender year when he said we would find it extremely hard this year. Maybe I'm seriously paranoid but there's an absolute lovefest for all things Cork at the minute. Sickening the way the likes of Duignan could only rant and rave about the cats for their physicality for 15 years! It will take an unbelievable performance to do the job.
I think now the general feeling in all circles is that PC was hard done by. Nice to hear TJ Ryan back him up so strongly. Even if it is in vain
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I agree with a lot of what you say, especially about Dan Morrissey. He wins the one-on-one battles, but also gives that great reassurance to the back-line.
However, I wouldn't agree with appealing Peter Casey's red card. We can all see what it is. Limerick has always been a manly county; defend to the death! But don't defend the indefensible.
In my eyes, Casey was wrong. He was caught. He serves the punishment.
Hurtful, but true." Sorry foreveryoung I don't agree I think Conor Gleeson played to get Peter Casey sent off and I hope Gleeson is very proud of himself where he is after costing a guy a chance to represent his county in an all-Ireland final. I think Limerick should appeal it, also Gleeson hit Casey first if 1 was to go both should have gone.
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Replying To Dealer: "I was in the traffic pileup on the M7 because of that clown and missed the first 25 minutes of the game. There are some desperate clowns out there and I'm hoping that this one gets the bill for the cleanup after the mess that he caused.
I though Dan was magnificent at full back. All of our backs were outstanding really and our midfield bossed the game. Hegarty mixed the sublime with the less sublime and I'm looking to him to be the ace in the pack for the final. In general, I thought that everyone played well. You could argue that it wasn't continued excellence across the entire 80 minutes but that's an first world problem.
The Cork exam will be difficult as they will try to learn from the previous defeats as much as possible. It really comes down to can they get goals and they will look to use their pace to run at our defenders and create goal chances. Hannon will have to sit deep again to protect the D. Discipline will be vital in this game as Cork will use every opportunity to win penalties and black cards and even red ones where possible. I'd expect to see Cork players going to ground at every opportunity so Discipline will be everything.
As far as Peter Casey is concerned - Limerick should use every opportunity that they have to get that red card rescinded including using the entire extent of the appeal process." I think this all-Ireland is going to be tougher than 2018 and 2020 to win. I'm very nervous of Cork, I worked with a recently retired Tipperary hurler 3 years ago, he said Cork was always his toughest match because you never know what they were going to do and always had a new trick up their sleeve. We all know Cork are going to use their speed and run at Limerick, that has to be curtailed out the field by slowing down quick ball into their forwards and not letting Cork get runs inside Limerick's 45 yard line because if the likes of Alan Cadogan and Jack O'Connor getting going in their full forward line they will cause massive problems. I would worry about Darragh Fitzgibbon in midfield would either Will O'Donaghue or Darragh O'Donavan have the legs to keep with him because the guy is a rocket. Also I rate Seamus Harnedy very highly his ball winning ability and influence has to be countered too. I always have said on this site individually Cork have the best forward unit in the country and Limericks backs have to be at their full peak for this 1.
Cork have improved physically but I think Limerick still would have an edge here Limerick need to impose themselves on Cork. There is still mistakes in Corks full back line I feel, Gillane and Flanagan have to put away whatever goal chance they get. Limerick's half forward line have to get on top of Cork's half back line because they are capable of it and I want a big game from Hegarty and get back to his 2020 form and be a match winner also I going to mention it again it would be worth giving him a go in full forward for a spell too.
If Peter Casey is unavailable I think the only replacement is Greame Mulcahy for experience alone then it's either Adrian Breen or Darren O'Connell to come into the bench.
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Replying To slayer: "Some stats from the second quarter of Saturday's game:
https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/all-ireland-semi-final-q2-stats.html" This is an excellent blog. Spent the last hour reading back through your posts. The stats posts are very informative, its the kind of stuff that you'd like to see the national media doing.
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https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/ireland-semi-final-extra-time-stats.html
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Cork have come on a tonne but they are still green and vulnerable. I think a big start by Limerick and a decent lead into the first waterbreak would be fantastic. I like the two Cork corner backs and I think Flanagan will have his hands full there. Gillane might get some change from Downey...please let him take the goal chance and not blaze over.
The half forward line will be the winning of this game. Hegarty is badly needed and I think Tim O Mahoney overplays the ball. He even did it in extra time after his clanger. Coleman is definately not tight marker either so a big game from Morrissey and Hegarty and Lynch is essential. I'm glad Nash is ok ,he was a huge worry for me as his athleticism will be needed. His speed is unreal.
The big concern is Corks confidence growing and them within touching distance coming into the last 15 mins. Kiely doesn't trust the bench this year. I was very disappointed to not see Boylan and Pat Ryan in the 50th minute. It was a mistake to not make changes sooner. Cork have a fast ,scoring bench in Connolly, Barratt and Cadogan . Limerick will bring a performance but so will Cork..Id love to see Limerick blitz them at the start...Hegarty in Full forward...gillane on the wing..something different
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The half forward line will be the winning of this game. Hegarty is badly needed and I think Tim O Mahoney overplays the ball. He even did it in extra time after his clanger. Coleman is definately not tight marker either so a big game from Morrissey and Hegarty and Lynch is essential. I'm glad Nash is ok ,he was a huge worry for me as his athleticism will be needed. His speed is unreal.
The big concern is Corks confidence growing and them within touching distance coming into the last 15 mins. Kiely doesn't trust the bench this year. I was very disappointed to not see Boylan and Pat Ryan in the 50th minute. It was a mistake to not make changes sooner. Cork have a fast ,scoring bench in Connolly, Barratt and Cadogan . Limerick will bring a performance but so will Cork..Id love to see Limerick blitz them at the start...Hegarty in Full forward...gillane on the wing..something different" After reading 2 mostly contradictory post below about 16 hours apart from the same poster, it shard ot kno wwhich sid of the fence he is on.....or maybe he is straddling it (be careful ,you could get a sore bottom or worse get ripped off,depemding on ??? , or
.....are all of the posts by this anonymous poster merely an attempt to sow doubt in Limerick minds? I wonder what welpastit , westfester ans skillet thenk of below.......just askin gfor a friermd..
The Word of Bloodyban # 1 ...
I think Cork are alot more physical than people give them credit for. Their wing backs and fullback line are tough, strong men and Robbie O Flynn is a powerful athlete but not really aggressive. I dont see Cork diving. They don't usually stand for that. Patrick Horgan is wily and if he thinks he'll get something he will hit the deck allright. Rob Downey looks like a serious fullback and there's no point in Lobbing ball down ontop of him. The key for Limerick is to impose themselves from the start and really go for the kill ,something which they don't tend to do. The slow strangulation method won't work. When Cork get on a roll in their purple patches, with the speed they have ,we'll it's potentially devastating.
Any word on Nash? I'd try and get Casey off as long as it didn't affect preparation for the whole squad. It looked like a headbutt, a fairly tame one considering both had helmets on. Ridiculous really but its worth trying to get him off. Cork would .
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Bloodyban "Cork have come on a tonne but they are still green and vulnerable. I think a big start by Limerick and a decent lead into the first waterbreak would be fantastic. I like the two Cork corner backs and I think Flanagan will have his hands full there. Gillane might get some change from Downey...please let him take the goal chance and not blaze over. The half forward line will be the winning of this game. Hegarty is badly needed and I think Tim O Mahoney overplays the ball. He even did it in extra time after his clanger. Coleman is definately not tight marker either so a big game from Morrissey and Hegarty and Lynch is essential. I'm glad Nash is ok ,he was a huge worry for me as his athleticism will be needed. His speed is unreal. The big concern is Corks confidence growing and them within touching distance coming into the last 15 mins. Kiely doesn't trust the bench this year. I was very disappointed to not see Boylan and Pat Ryan in the 50th minute. It was a mistake to not make changes sooner. Cork have a fast ,scoring bench in Connolly, Barratt and Cadogan . Limerick will bring a performance but so will Cork..Id love to see Limerick blitz them at the start...Hegarty in Full forward...gillane on the wing..something different" Bloodyban (Limerick) 10/8/2021 19:57:52
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.....are all of the posts by this anonymous poster merely an attempt to sow doubt in Limerick minds? I wonder what welpastit , westfester ans skillet thenk of below.......just askin gfor a friermd..
The Word of Bloodyban # 1 ...
I think Cork are alot more physical than people give them credit for. Their wing backs and fullback line are tough, strong men and Robbie O Flynn is a powerful athlete but not really aggressive. I dont see Cork diving. They don't usually stand for that. Patrick Horgan is wily and if he thinks he'll get something he will hit the deck allright. Rob Downey looks like a serious fullback and there's no point in Lobbing ball down ontop of him. The key for Limerick is to impose themselves from the start and really go for the kill ,something which they don't tend to do. The slow strangulation method won't work. When Cork get on a roll in their purple patches, with the speed they have ,we'll it's potentially devastating.
Any word on Nash? I'd try and get Casey off as long as it didn't affect preparation for the whole squad. It looked like a headbutt, a fairly tame one considering both had helmets on. Ridiculous really but its worth trying to get him off. Cork would .
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Bloodyban "Cork have come on a tonne but they are still green and vulnerable. I think a big start by Limerick and a decent lead into the first waterbreak would be fantastic. I like the two Cork corner backs and I think Flanagan will have his hands full there. Gillane might get some change from Downey...please let him take the goal chance and not blaze over. The half forward line will be the winning of this game. Hegarty is badly needed and I think Tim O Mahoney overplays the ball. He even did it in extra time after his clanger. Coleman is definately not tight marker either so a big game from Morrissey and Hegarty and Lynch is essential. I'm glad Nash is ok ,he was a huge worry for me as his athleticism will be needed. His speed is unreal. The big concern is Corks confidence growing and them within touching distance coming into the last 15 mins. Kiely doesn't trust the bench this year. I was very disappointed to not see Boylan and Pat Ryan in the 50th minute. It was a mistake to not make changes sooner. Cork have a fast ,scoring bench in Connolly, Barratt and Cadogan . Limerick will bring a performance but so will Cork..Id love to see Limerick blitz them at the start...Hegarty in Full forward...gillane on the wing..something different" Bloodyban (Limerick) 10/8/2021 19:57:52" You want to know what I think? ..
I think you seriously need to get a life, stop obsessing over everything Bloodyban writes and enjoy the fact that for the first time since the 1930s we have a team that are potentially going to win 3 all Irelands in a couple of years.
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I was listening to all the usual podcasts there and one explained the difficulty of getting Peter Casey off. Because of the red Limerick need to show evidence that it was a huge mistake. Unfortunately of one bloody camera angle showing a slight dip to the head that will do it. Still hope the management do put pressure on croke Park.
If we are without Peter we are definitely very low in options up front. Straight away my immediate reaction was Mulcahy in especially as Kiely gave him the vote of confidence to start against Tipp. Now I'm thinking on lines with other posters. Perhaps this is the time to do something a bit different like starting Cathal O'Neill. If anything to have the legs and give the cork defenders something different to think about. Yes he didn't have the best debut against Galway but they were highly physical the same day. Cork lads are no shrinking violets but I don't think he would be as quickly bullied off.
This is no slight on Mulcahy. I just think we're going to need a solid head who can accurately fire over 2 to 3 points down the straight. That's when we need him. In 2018 we had both Dowling and Casey for this. Yes P Ryan and Boylan cause a bit of mayhem which of course is also needed but they don't seem to be able to fire over the points which is vital. Really hope no injuries now
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Replying To Mads: "I was listening to all the usual podcasts there and one explained the difficulty of getting Peter Casey off. Because of the red Limerick need to show evidence that it was a huge mistake. Unfortunately of one bloody camera angle showing a slight dip to the head that will do it. Still hope the management do put pressure on croke Park.
If we are without Peter we are definitely very low in options up front. Straight away my immediate reaction was Mulcahy in especially as Kiely gave him the vote of confidence to start against Tipp. Now I'm thinking on lines with other posters. Perhaps this is the time to do something a bit different like starting Cathal O'Neill. If anything to have the legs and give the cork defenders something different to think about. Yes he didn't have the best debut against Galway but they were highly physical the same day. Cork lads are no shrinking violets but I don't think he would be as quickly bullied off.
This is no slight on Mulcahy. I just think we're going to need a solid head who can accurately fire over 2 to 3 points down the straight. That's when we need him. In 2018 we had both Dowling and Casey for this. Yes P Ryan and Boylan cause a bit of mayhem which of course is also needed but they don't seem to be able to fire over the points which is vital. Really hope no injuries now" I would start Mulcahy,his experience and fight will be needed especially early in the game and he can take a slick score or two as well,time for subs later when the game has settled into a pattern.Young O'Neill would be too young and inexperienced for the bullying that goes on earlier in the game.
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Replying To DUALSUPPORT: "Sorry foreveryoung I don't agree I think Conor Gleeson played to get Peter Casey sent off and I hope Gleeson is very proud of himself where he is after costing a guy a chance to represent his county in an all-Ireland final. I think Limerick should appeal it, also Gleeson hit Casey first if 1 was to go both should have gone." We know what Glesson is made of, he got himself put off when provoked by a clown from Cork, with the game over in '17 and may well have cost Waterford an All Ireland, seeing their huge Indian sign over Galway, he struck Joe Canning, across the hand, last month, and I read somewhere that Joe had to get a pain killing injection to help him to continue- God if a Limerick player had done that to Joe the whole country would be up in arms- and now he is involved in this episode with Peter. However, in my opinion, it is better to continue our preparation for the Final, as if Peter was out injured, nothing is to be gained by chasing a lost cause and distracting the panel and management from fully concentrating on achieving the ultimate goal.
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I dont think they would have appealed if they didn't have a good chance of getting him off. I wouldnt start Mulcahy. Id start Pat Ryan or Adrian Breen. Cathal O Neill hasn't shown enough yet to deserve a start. He was well off the pace against Galway in the league. What about starting Boylan on the wing ,and have Hegarty go loose in Caseys position.. ?
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 11/08/2021 13:13:55
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I think you seriously need to get a life, stop obsessing over everything Bloodyban writes and enjoy the fact that for the first time since the 1930s we have a team that are potentially going to win 3 all Irelands in a couple of years." Well said
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Replying To Oldtourman: "We know what Glesson is made of, he got himself put off when provoked by a clown from Cork, with the game over in '17 and may well have cost Waterford an All Ireland, seeing their huge Indian sign over Galway, he struck Joe Canning, across the hand, last month, and I read somewhere that Joe had to get a pain killing injection to help him to continue- God if a Limerick player had done that to Joe the whole country would be up in arms- and now he is involved in this episode with Peter. However, in my opinion, it is better to continue our preparation for the Final, as if Peter was out injured, nothing is to be gained by chasing a lost cause and distracting the panel and management from fully concentrating on achieving the ultimate goal." I know what your saying but Limerick have to be fair to Peter Casey give him every chance of playing in an all-Ireland final, who knows when you will get the chance again. Now Limerick are appealing they must be happy with Peter Casey's side of things and are seeing what they can do for him.
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Replying To skillet: "You want to know what I think? ..
I think you seriously need to get a life, stop obsessing over everything Bloodyban writes and enjoy the fact that for the first time since the 1930s we have a team that are potentially going to win 3 all Irelands in a couple of years." Apologies for expressing an opinion that differs with your little anonymous click at the back of the church.
Maybe we need your Grandad back to throw a punch at on of the Cork Boys before the throw-in "to see what they're made of" Meade, as you proudly regaled us with a few days ago. On 2nd thought I wouldn't brag about that anymore.... defining moment.
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Life is great, thank you and be well,
2 in a row... here we go.
PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 12/08/2021 14:32:07
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Can someone enlighten me as to what is the scenario regarding tickets,perhaps someone who has got a ticket and attended the hurling semi final.Are there physical tickets available to print down or are the tickets only on ones fone?Is the ticket buyers name on the ticket,is the ticket transferable,does one have to provide ID at entry or elsewhere in Croke Park.
Separately I know someone who has a 5 yr Premium ticket but he doesn't do email and he cannot get through on the fone to Croke Park.He thinks he is entitled to buy a Premium ticket...€150 for the final (the 5 year thing is suspended for two years due to the Covid).
Anyone who has definitive information I would be glad to hear from... someone who has experienced the system and attended a game in Croke Park recently....Speculation will be no help.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Separately I know someone who has a 5 yr Premium ticket but he doesn't do email and he cannot get through on the fone to Croke Park.He thinks he is entitled to buy a Premium ticket...€150 for the final (the 5 year thing is suspended for two years due to the Covid).
Anyone who has definitive information I would be glad to hear from... someone who has experienced the system and attended a game in Croke Park recently....Speculation will be no help.
Thanks in anticipation." The position for games up to now (and from what I understand will also be the case for the final) is that people will receive a link via email to allow them to purchase tickets online from ticketmaster.
Once you have purchased, you can either have the ticket on your phone, or you can print off a paper copy if you choose. The buyers name is on the ticket, but there is no restriction on transferring it or passing it on to other people. There are no ID checks at croke park, you simply scan your ticket at the turnstile as usual and away you go.
For previous games, premium members have been given an option to purchase online. You can view this by creating an account and logging in through the premium page on the croke park website, but you won't be able to actually purchase tickets unless you are a member.
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Replying To C4000: "The position for games up to now (and from what I understand will also be the case for the final) is that people will receive a link via email to allow them to purchase tickets online from ticketmaster.
Once you have purchased, you can either have the ticket on your phone, or you can print off a paper copy if you choose. The buyers name is on the ticket, but there is no restriction on transferring it or passing it on to other people. There are no ID checks at croke park, you simply scan your ticket at the turnstile as usual and away you go.
For previous games, premium members have been given an option to purchase online. You can view this by creating an account and logging in through the premium page on the croke park website, but you won't be able to actually purchase tickets unless you are a member." Do u mean for the Premium tickets registering and logging in...ie that's what you mean by being a member.
Thank you very much for the information,am more than grateful.
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Replying To C4000: "The position for games up to now (and from what I understand will also be the case for the final) is that people will receive a link via email to allow them to purchase tickets online from ticketmaster.
Once you have purchased, you can either have the ticket on your phone, or you can print off a paper copy if you choose. The buyers name is on the ticket, but there is no restriction on transferring it or passing it on to other people. There are no ID checks at croke park, you simply scan your ticket at the turnstile as usual and away you go.
For previous games, premium members have been given an option to purchase online. You can view this by creating an account and logging in through the premium page on the croke park website, but you won't be able to actually purchase tickets unless you are a member." Thanks for that,am very grateful to you.
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