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I think Cork are alot more physical than people give them credit for. Their wing backs and fullback line are tough, strong men and Robbie O Flynn is a powerful athlete but not really aggressive. I dont see Cork diving. They don't usually stand for that. Patrick Horgan is wily and if he thinks he'll get something he will hit the deck allright. Rob Downey looks like a serious fullback and there's no point in Lobbing ball down ontop of him. The key for Limerick is to impose themselves from the start and really go for the kill ,something which they don't tend to do. The slow strangulation method won't work. When Cork get on a roll in their purple patches, with the speed they have ,we'll it's potentially devastating.
Any word on Nash? I'd try and get Casey off as long as it didn't affect preparation for the whole squad. It looked like a headbutt, a fairly tame one considering both had helmets on. Ridiculous really but its worth trying to get him off. Cork would .

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 09/08/2021 12:20:43    2369075

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I think Cork are alot more physical than people give them credit for. Their wing backs and fullback line are tough, strong men and Robbie O Flynn is a powerful athlete but not really aggressive. I dont see Cork diving. They don't usually stand for that. Patrick Horgan is wily and if he thinks he'll get something he will hit the deck allright. Rob Downey looks like a serious fullback and there's no point in Lobbing ball down ontop of him. The key for Limerick is to impose themselves from the start and really go for the kill ,something which they don't tend to do. The slow strangulation method won't work. When Cork get on a roll in their purple patches, with the speed they have ,we'll it's potentially devastating.
Any word on Nash? I'd try and get Casey off as long as it didn't affect preparation for the whole squad. It looked like a headbutt, a fairly tame one considering both had helmets on. Ridiculous really but its worth trying to get him off. Cork would ."
I'm convinced that both Cork corner backs will lie down and add dead with very little encouragement.

I'd expect that the Cork forwards will look to run at the Limerick D and force the issue which I think is just good play. Limerick should use particularly Hegarty to do the exact same. Limerick backs need to play the percentages in these situations and tackle in such a way that they are unlikely to get pulled by the ref. I like the new tackle technique using the chest as opposed to the arm or hurley to hold up onrushing players. They'll also need to trust Nicky in goals to make the save which he will unless it's a bullet.

The one guy that really worries me is Jack O'Connor as he's rapid and a good finisher.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 09/08/2021 13:54:13    2369108

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It's amazing how Tom Morrisey seems to have this ability to 'quietly' score 5 or 6 points in a game. How he wasn't man of the match is beyond me. He always does something positive against the run of play when we need it most. He has such a defiance about him. It's like he gets angry when things aren't going well and demands the next score. With out a doubt the hurler of the year so far in my mind.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 09/08/2021 13:54:19    2369110

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I'm always on Gillanes case with the goal chances and I was happy he got that one. Now the miss in the first half was desperate. He should just keep his head down and go low every time. Iv gone over the replay of the goal he got. Great finish but he actually hit the underside of the crossbar...I kid you not .."
"I'm always on Gillanes case with the goal chances and I was happy he got that one."

How could we validate that statement of yours...Do you have any 2 or 3 instances that you can quote, or are you just latching on to another attempt to represent yourself as omniscient and infallible in all matters relating to hurling. How would we know??

I am strictly just expressing my own opinion here. I don't claim to speak for anyone else, never mind 11 others.
Agreed 100%, we can all say what we like on this anonymous forum, and it's also worthwhile highlighting that some of us try to come across as the Messiah/guru. Can be tiresome if you take it on board. That's all.

But, all of that nonsense aside, Limerick Boys keep on giving enjoyment.

Long May it Continue!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 15:19:26    2369148

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Replying To Mads:  "No I completely agree. Listened back to the game on RTE. It absolutely kills Duignan to give us a bit of praise. Hegarty got blown against for basically running after callum Lyons. He just fell over and got a free. Then very soon afterwards Nash hits a square shoulder and that's a free. Those frees gave Waterford the impetus to get back into the game. Soon afterwards they were within 6 points. Commentators were itching for Limerick to get a red and they got it. Yes Gillane should have seen red the last day but that's hard on Casey. Dying for Cork to win"
Agree 100% with your comments re Duignan. Then again he can change his mind about who is playing brilliant" depending what player/team got the last score. Its called riding the wave and is aided by his quickspeak rhetoric that he probably practices in front of the mirror. I stopped taking him seriously .

Marty's voice also conveys exuberance when at Limerick's misses or the opposition's momentum, ("just maybe we are seeing the downfall of Limerick") And these 2 "pundits" are not alone.

The "anyone but Limerick " train will probably gain further steam in the buildup to the final by the Katser's and others still wallowing in denial.

After all Limerick are just pesky upstarts who don't belong here, and the return to the top table by the by anointed few, must surely be just around the corner.

In the meantime be a Dear and fetch me my slippers and smoking jacket"., and pass the Murphy' s ,Smitwicks and Tipperary water!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 15:55:16    2369169

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "Well done the Limerick hurlers 3 all Ireland appearances in 4 years who would have thought this 4 or 5 years ago. I think Waterford might feel they didn't play their best game but in fairness to our lads they didn't let them. Lads I thought Peter Casey's red card was very harsh, the Waterford lad went down very easy and there was no intent from Casey he was trying to break away from being held and it was the umpires who advised the referee but the same umpires never once brought it to the referees attention of Conor Prunty persistent holding and fouling on Aaron Gillane all through the 2nd half, after yesterday you can see how Gillane gets frustrated when alot of fouls on him don't get called. I hope Limerick do right by Peter Casey and appeal his red card he didn't deserve it and i feel he fell victim of the media scrutiny on 'Limerick's foul play'. Look all the lads played very well I thought, but if I was to give a man of the match I would give it to Dan Morrissey the way he marked Austin Gleeson out of the game and his distribution of the ball out of the full back was very good, also Nickie Quaid in the goals did everything asked of him and his saved stop Waterford gaining momentum at crucial times. I must mention Kyle Hayes flick near the end too he timed it perfectly. Our forwards were unplayable yesterday and some of the points Gillane and Flanagan got at tight angles were fantastic watching them go over the bar also I'm delighted to see Cian Lynch taking on his own score more often, at times he tried not to be greedy and passes it off but now he is popping up with 3 or 4 points a game now. Without meaning to be too harsh after a good win I would only criticise our over playing of the ball with short passing in congested areas and Waterford were to dispossess Limerick on a couple of occasions and we hit a couple of bad wides but no taking from the performance and win, well done everyone involved. Also best wishes to Barry Nash hopefully he is alright he walked off the field himself which is hopefully a good sign.

Away from the field I want to have a bit of a moan, thankfully I escaped the big hold up yesterday, I was a small bit behind the accident and managed to get around it. I'm sick of every game in Dublin I go to is held up by clowns causing accidents on the road, people flying and running into the backs of other cars when they meet a hold up and people causing accidents trying to weave in and out traffic, I don't know what that driver thinking he could get that truck stacked 3 bales high underneath that bridge in Naas, fella's can call me what they want after this but I think it was pure stupidity and more to the point thankfully no-one got hurt."
I totally agree with your comment on passing in tight corners. It can be nerve-wracking ,heart-in -the mouth stuff when Limerick engage in it, especially between our own full-back and half-back lines. Same antics by Tim O Manony also led to Killenny's goal at the end.

Yet, when all is said and done who am to criticize Limerick management when they've delivered 2 of the last 3 All- Irelands and we are on our way to give it a lash for 2 in a row and 3 out of 4.

Don't wake me up.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 16:09:49    2369178

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Replying To jimbob50:  "You could be right, there is some bias. All the talk for the last few years and this year in particular of how limerick players tackle too hard and should all be seeing red cards has taken its toll now with casey.
KK played on the border line for ten years and not a word. I don't think glesson will win an all star this year but he should certainly be nominated for an Oscar in the best man fall catagory, shame on him.

When it comes to cork though I'm delighted they are being talked up and in fairness they are a very good team but I hope they continue to get talked up big time over the next two weeks that rings its own pressures. That Limerick can do without.
In fairness John kiely has been good at keeping the lads away from all that hype to quietly focus on the next match."
"KK played on the border line for ten years and not a word."

This is very true and they also worked the written and radio/TV media to perfection to distract and deflect with comments like:
Man's game, physical game, let it flow" ... etc... When Cody could not say it anymore he sent the erstwhile Gods out to preach the same Gospel. Untouchables such as Eddie Keher, Dj, Charlie Carter, and so on ,who all delivered their lines to perfection while displaying the demeanor of the persecuted martyrs.

We (Limeirck supporters) press and even county board, should be highlighting and referincing this out at every opportunity, and let John Kiely, Paul Kinnerk and our boys to focus on the important matters at hand.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 17:00:06    2369209

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Agree 100% with your comments re Duignan. Then again he can change his mind about who is playing brilliant" depending what player/team got the last score. Its called riding the wave and is aided by his quickspeak rhetoric that he probably practices in front of the mirror. I stopped taking him seriously .

Marty's voice also conveys exuberance when at Limerick's misses or the opposition's momentum, ("just maybe we are seeing the downfall of Limerick") And these 2 "pundits" are not alone.

The "anyone but Limerick " train will probably gain further steam in the buildup to the final by the Katser's and others still wallowing in denial.

After all Limerick are just pesky upstarts who don't belong here, and the return to the top table by the by anointed few, must surely be just around the corner.

In the meantime be a Dear and fetch me my slippers and smoking jacket"., and pass the Murphy' s ,Smitwicks and Tipperary water!"
Who cares what other people think? Just keep winning lads!!

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 09/08/2021 17:13:42    2369212

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Replying To Dealer:  "I was in the traffic pileup on the M7 because of that clown and missed the first 25 minutes of the game. There are some desperate clowns out there and I'm hoping that this one gets the bill for the cleanup after the mess that he caused.

I though Dan was magnificent at full back. All of our backs were outstanding really and our midfield bossed the game. Hegarty mixed the sublime with the less sublime and I'm looking to him to be the ace in the pack for the final. In general, I thought that everyone played well. You could argue that it wasn't continued excellence across the entire 80 minutes but that's an first world problem.

The Cork exam will be difficult as they will try to learn from the previous defeats as much as possible. It really comes down to can they get goals and they will look to use their pace to run at our defenders and create goal chances. Hannon will have to sit deep again to protect the D. Discipline will be vital in this game as Cork will use every opportunity to win penalties and black cards and even red ones where possible. I'd expect to see Cork players going to ground at every opportunity so Discipline will be everything.

As far as Peter Casey is concerned - Limerick should use every opportunity that they have to get that red card rescinded including using the entire extent of the appeal process."
Casey will be a massive loss, looking back on the game some of his passing & link up play was excellent. Could Gleeson himself not come out & support Casey in his appeal? I personally don't think there was much/any contact at all in it, just the camera angle (and Gleesons reaction) make it look bad.

biro (Limerick) - Posts: 12 - 09/08/2021 17:21:30    2369214

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Some stats from the second quarter of Saturday's game:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/all-ireland-semi-final-q2-stats.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/08/2021 18:21:18    2369238

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Who cares what other people think? Just keep winning lads!!"
Agree completely, was just "taking the ball on the hop" in response to an earlier post. Keep on winning.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 18:42:48    2369251

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Great analysis, thanks Slayer. Long live the water breaks.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 09/08/2021 18:49:04    2369254

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Replying To blackspot91:  "It's amazing how Tom Morrisey seems to have this ability to 'quietly' score 5 or 6 points in a game. How he wasn't man of the match is beyond me. He always does something positive against the run of play when we need it most. He has such a defiance about him. It's like he gets angry when things aren't going well and demands the next score. With out a doubt the hurler of the year so far in my mind."
I absolutely agree with you. Some of the balls he caught on Saturday were absolutely exceptional and he gave great assists as well as scoring five points. However O'Donovan was immense also and as I have said before his contribution is not always fully recognised.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 09/08/2021 19:01:38    2369257

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Replying To slayer:  "Some stats from the second quarter of Saturday's game:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/all-ireland-semi-final-q2-stats.html"
Great work slayer. Well done and nice to read informative content here in contrast to the multiple incontinent emissions of our own home grown katser.
Hopefully the build up to the final will have more of your type of input and less of the other.
Saturday saw a display of power and skill from Limerick that Waterford couldn't live with but the final will see different challenges presented and will be an intriguing tactical battle.
Just a word on Peter Casey. I didnt see it in real time on Saturday and the Sunday Game clips were inconclusive to say the least. l think an appeal will only be successful if some better footage turns up.
l think anyone who has watched PC playing will know that intentional headbutting is not something in his character.
It will be hugely unfortunate for him if he misses the final but all teams have to cope with adversity and it looks like Cork will be down 1 or 2 with injuries also.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 09/08/2021 19:14:20    2369260

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cork will want to run at limerick defenders at every opportunity but i hope d ref will keep a eye on the steps the take to get passed. some of them took 7 or 8 steps against kilkenny so u will have to foul them or let them go so it important for d ref to spot this or we could be in big trouble in giving away frees

leftback (Limerick) - Posts: 66 - 09/08/2021 19:50:39    2369274

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Replying To Westfester:  "Great work slayer. Well done and nice to read informative content here in contrast to the multiple incontinent emissions of our own home grown katser.
Hopefully the build up to the final will have more of your type of input and less of the other.
Saturday saw a display of power and skill from Limerick that Waterford couldn't live with but the final will see different challenges presented and will be an intriguing tactical battle.
Just a word on Peter Casey. I didnt see it in real time on Saturday and the Sunday Game clips were inconclusive to say the least. l think an appeal will only be successful if some better footage turns up.
l think anyone who has watched PC playing will know that intentional headbutting is not something in his character.
It will be hugely unfortunate for him if he misses the final but all teams have to cope with adversity and it looks like Cork will be down 1 or 2 with injuries also."
Yes Westfester I agree. We have only to look at what happened in Clare, in '98 and Galway in '89, when counties got too exercised over players from their panels being deemed ineligible to play. If these two issues were handled differently, I am convinced both counties would have one more All Irelands.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 09/08/2021 21:05:41    2369301

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Replying To leftback:  "cork will want to run at limerick defenders at every opportunity but i hope d ref will keep a eye on the steps the take to get passed. some of them took 7 or 8 steps against kilkenny so u will have to foul them or let them go so it important for d ref to spot this or we could be in big trouble in giving away frees"
No doubt they'll run all day long and take a few extra steps. To be fair we do at times as well.
I'd hate to think we'd loose to a team of greyhounds that we've already beaten well.
I've no doubt if we turn up we'll win

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 09/08/2021 21:24:15    2369311

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Maybe someone can answer a question for me.has pc ever been sent off before in anything?i certainly don't remember and he's playing a long time..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2547 - 09/08/2021 21:35:49    2369314

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Maybe someone can answer a question for me.has pc ever been sent off before in anything?i certainly don't remember and he's playing a long time.."
Don't think so..but Gleeson has

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 09/08/2021 21:45:54    2369321

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Don't think so..but Gleeson has"
No. And even the yellow card sin-bin he got against Cork this year was undeserved. Nailed on allstar up to now. Hopefully he gets the card rescinded and has a great final.

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 10/08/2021 01:00:22    2369377

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