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Replying To Ballyknockill: "Not overly disappointed with the result last night. That is a strong Cork team and they are having a purple patch when it comes to underage hurling at the moment. We were lucky to keep it to 2 points in the end to be fair, If Cork took their chances it could have been a different story.
I though the big 3 of O Neill English and Coughlin did well last night and we seemed strong up the middle but we seemed to be a lot weaker than Cork on the wings. Our hurling and decision making we very poor at times.
I know our current senior team have reaped the rewards of the academy but is there a bit of a drop off when it comes to coaching and skills.
There seems to be a certain type of game plan that all our teams have adopted and the natural wristy hurler who is not 6ft plus and makes 20 tackles is overlooked.
I am not panicking as I know from watching club games there is plenty of talent in the county but I would hate to see a natural hurler over looked because he dose not buy into a sometimes robotic system." That was a very young team last night. 9 or 10 of them are under age again next year including O'Neill, Coughlan, English, O'connor, Hegarty, Kirby and Quilty. Throw in another few of last years minors like Hurley and O'brien and we will be very strong next year. Even though we were second best for most of that game last night we showed great spirit and gave Cork a real scare. If we had managed to go ahead with that free from near the sideline I feel that we could have won. The better team won in the end though but we gave it everything.
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Replying To Ballyknockill: "Not overly disappointed with the result last night. That is a strong Cork team and they are having a purple patch when it comes to underage hurling at the moment. We were lucky to keep it to 2 points in the end to be fair, If Cork took their chances it could have been a different story.
I though the big 3 of O Neill English and Coughlin did well last night and we seemed strong up the middle but we seemed to be a lot weaker than Cork on the wings. Our hurling and decision making we very poor at times.
I know our current senior team have reaped the rewards of the academy but is there a bit of a drop off when it comes to coaching and skills.
There seems to be a certain type of game plan that all our teams have adopted and the natural wristy hurler who is not 6ft plus and makes 20 tackles is overlooked.
I am not panicking as I know from watching club games there is plenty of talent in the county but I would hate to see a natural hurler over looked because he dose not buy into a sometimes robotic system." Agree that the score was not overly disappointing but the performance certainly was. Our big players never got going. Think our puck out strategy was a complete mystery particularly in the first half. Also didn't get why we didn't drop a midfielder in front of their 12 who absolutely lorded it for their puck outs. Don't want to be with verily critical but a lot of lessons to be learned from last night both from a player and management perspective if we are to fulfill the potential of next years team Fought to the end to be fair but as Kingston said in his interview on Saturday heart is a given at this level
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Thinking of Cork teams in the 80's and early 90's they were physically very strong, well able to mix it and very direct. The team of 99-05 were more about the running game and keeping the ball. The Cork minors and 20's look to be a bit of both styles. The U20 side were seriously good in the air winning ball over our lads' heads.
No need to panic though - some great posts made in this thread especially about the number of players underage again next year. I think our seniors have more to them than being 6ft hooking, blocking, tackling beasts. As good as Cork were in both games there didn't seem to be a player who does what Cian Lynch does, as lethal as Gillane or with the ability of Peter Casey. If Limerick keep feeding Kiely and Kinnerk's system it is fair to say both are trusted to keep adapting their system to how the game is changing?
Fingers crossed we keep reaping rewards with our current seniors.
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Replying To slayer: "Thinking of Cork teams in the 80's and early 90's they were physically very strong, well able to mix it and very direct. The team of 99-05 were more about the running game and keeping the ball. The Cork minors and 20's look to be a bit of both styles. The U20 side were seriously good in the air winning ball over our lads' heads.
No need to panic though - some great posts made in this thread especially about the number of players underage again next year. I think our seniors have more to them than being 6ft hooking, blocking, tackling beasts. As good as Cork were in both games there didn't seem to be a player who does what Cian Lynch does, as lethal as Gillane or with the ability of Peter Casey. If Limerick keep feeding Kiely and Kinnerk's system it is fair to say both are trusted to keep adapting their system to how the game is changing?
Fingers crossed we keep reaping rewards with our current seniors." From what I saw last night there are 4 hurlers in that match that are pretty much ready for senior inter County hurling and they were all from Limerick. That is in essence what this grade is for. And the crazy thing is the 4 are all under 20 again next year. I do foresee that crazy rule regarding players being ineligible for u20 if playing senior being scrapped over the winter.
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Replying To welpastit: "Agree that the score was not overly disappointing but the performance certainly was. Our big players never got going. Think our puck out strategy was a complete mystery particularly in the first half. Also didn't get why we didn't drop a midfielder in front of their 12 who absolutely lorded it for their puck outs. Don't want to be with verily critical but a lot of lessons to be learned from last night both from a player and management perspective if we are to fulfill the potential of next years team Fought to the end to be fair but as Kingston said in his interview on Saturday heart is a given at this level" One Question. There was fifteen points got from frees by Limerick and Three more missed. That is 18 frees inside the Cork defense. How many of these were for fouls on O'Neill. If you fouled every time you go near the ball it is hard to get going.
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I could only sneak in the 2nd half on the phone at work and my take of it Cork were much the better team and got their scores far easier than Limerick and Limerick did well to only lose by 2 points, I don't think management can be blamed too much either. Every time Cork got the ball into their full forward line it was heart in mouth stuff and only for good defence and last ditch blocking from our full back line and goalie Cork could have got another 3 or 4 goals and they always seemed to find a free man to put the ball over the bar. You can't fault our lads, they were out on their feet and took what ever chance they could to keep in touch with Cork.
2 defeats to Cork at minor and u21 in 2 days, it might not be a bad idea to have a review of the hurling academy, we need to keep the production line going if we want to stay at the top. Another thing to look at is schools before Covid-19 struck the country Ard scoil ris was the only Limerick school to enter the last harty cup competition, Doon, Kilmallock, Hospital and Castletroy all seem to have dropped off a bit. We need our schools in the top divisions, also a case for a West Limerick colleges team has to push through again.
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Replying To Oldtourman: "One Question. There was fifteen points got from frees by Limerick and Three more missed. That is 18 frees inside the Cork defense. How many of these were for fouls on O'Neill. If you fouled every time you go near the ball it is hard to get going." Think everyone would agree the ref was v whistle happy on both sides especially in the first half oldtourman. I'm not looking to have a go at anyone here . This is a management and a group of players who have delivered a lot at minor level. Think though a little honesty is needed in relation to getting it right for next year. We were well beaten and it could as easily have been an 8 point deficit. We only got at them when their full back had to go off and they moved their centre back to 3. The top 5 or 6 players on the field all wore red jersies. Class is permanent and form temporary. I don't fear Cork as some do because they have talent coming. I'm just hoping our U20s deliver on their form next year and I think a little dose of the harsh reality of our under performance last Wednesday could be key in preparing for next year's campaign. I also think
management got a lot wrong particularly on puck outs both theirs and ours. Just hope lessons will have been learned and we will be all the better for it in 22. Hope to see you in Croker
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Replying To DUALSUPPORT: "I could only sneak in the 2nd half on the phone at work and my take of it Cork were much the better team and got their scores far easier than Limerick and Limerick did well to only lose by 2 points, I don't think management can be blamed too much either. Every time Cork got the ball into their full forward line it was heart in mouth stuff and only for good defence and last ditch blocking from our full back line and goalie Cork could have got another 3 or 4 goals and they always seemed to find a free man to put the ball over the bar. You can't fault our lads, they were out on their feet and took what ever chance they could to keep in touch with Cork.
2 defeats to Cork at minor and u21 in 2 days, it might not be a bad idea to have a review of the hurling academy, we need to keep the production line going if we want to stay at the top. Another thing to look at is schools before Covid-19 struck the country Ard scoil ris was the only Limerick school to enter the last harty cup competition, Doon, Kilmallock, Hospital and Castletroy all seem to have dropped off a bit. We need our schools in the top divisions, also a case for a West Limerick colleges team has to push through again." You make a good observation here Dualsupport. The schools need to be competing at the highest level.
This more so needs to be started at primary school level. Has the county board enough full time coaches for say a person to visit a school once a week for an hour or 2 do do some coaching?
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Replying To welpastit: "Think everyone would agree the ref was v whistle happy on both sides especially in the first half oldtourman. I'm not looking to have a go at anyone here . This is a management and a group of players who have delivered a lot at minor level. Think though a little honesty is needed in relation to getting it right for next year. We were well beaten and it could as easily have been an 8 point deficit. We only got at them when their full back had to go off and they moved their centre back to 3. The top 5 or 6 players on the field all wore red jersies. Class is permanent and form temporary. I don't fear Cork as some do because they have talent coming. I'm just hoping our U20s deliver on their form next year and I think a little dose of the harsh reality of our under performance last Wednesday could be key in preparing for next year's campaign. I also think
management got a lot wrong particularly on puck outs both theirs and ours. Just hope lessons will have been learned and we will be all the better for it in 22. Hope to see you in Croker" Well that Cork defence conceded 18 scorable chances to our free taker, and as the referee was a let the game flow merchant, we could have at least got 2 or 3 more, as Cork also could. Overall I think for a team that was young and playing Cork at home we did OK. Cork were seriously under pressure in the last ten minutes, despite appearing home and hosed earlier.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 30/07/2021 16:16:29
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Replying To Southsham: "You make a good observation here Dualsupport. The schools need to be competing at the highest level.
This more so needs to be started at primary school level. Has the county board enough full time coaches for say a person to visit a school once a week for an hour or 2 do do some coaching?" I think you need to look at Limerick over the last 30 years. Yeah we have produced some fantastic hurlers and teams. However, at the end of the day it's a numbers game. We had an exceptional bunch in the mid 90s and again now with the current bunch. The more playing the better the team is - especially at underage level. Yes the academy has done wonders for Limerick hurling but at the same time we also got an exceptional group of hurlers for a few years. Probably started with the Shane Dowling & Declan Hannon batch. Then roll on Cian Lynch etc. The schools also prospered with these lads. Hopefully, the existing bunch can get 2-3 lads every few years to freshen up this bunch for a good few years to come. So we can look at academies all we want but if the hurlers aren't there then it's very difficult
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Replying To Seeking_silver: "I think you need to look at Limerick over the last 30 years. Yeah we have produced some fantastic hurlers and teams. However, at the end of the day it's a numbers game. We had an exceptional bunch in the mid 90s and again now with the current bunch. The more playing the better the team is - especially at underage level. Yes the academy has done wonders for Limerick hurling but at the same time we also got an exceptional group of hurlers for a few years. Probably started with the Shane Dowling & Declan Hannon batch. Then roll on Cian Lynch etc. The schools also prospered with these lads. Hopefully, the existing bunch can get 2-3 lads every few years to freshen up this bunch for a good few years to come. So we can look at academies all we want but if the hurlers aren't there then it's very difficult" You are correct in that it is a numbers game. Say if Cork underage was working aswell as Limerick underage for the past 10 years they would possibly have 2 Geroid Hegartys in there ranks as opposed to 1 for us. Since JK has been in it has been a cohesive approach to get the best out of the talent we have which is the opposite to what happened after our 3 in a row under 2 team. A return of 1 All Ireland appearance was not good enough for the talent that was in that group.
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Replying To Southsham: "You are correct in that it is a numbers game. Say if Cork underage was working aswell as Limerick underage for the past 10 years they would possibly have 2 Geroid Hegartys in there ranks as opposed to 1 for us. Since JK has been in it has been a cohesive approach to get the best out of the talent we have which is the opposite to what happened after our 3 in a row under 2 team. A return of 1 All Ireland appearance was not good enough for the talent that was in that group." Ya I'm not sure i entirely agree about the quality of the talent from the 3 in a row u21 teams. Definitely players like Damien Reale, Andrew OShaughnessy, Lucey, Lawlor etc were serious hurlers but the 21s from 15 and 17 all made the step up to senior seamlessly for whatever reason. Probably alot to do with prior conditioning at underage maybe?
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 30/07/2021 22:29:41
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Replying To Southsham: "You are correct in that it is a numbers game. Say if Cork underage was working aswell as Limerick underage for the past 10 years they would possibly have 2 Geroid Hegartys in there ranks as opposed to 1 for us. Since JK has been in it has been a cohesive approach to get the best out of the talent we have which is the opposite to what happened after our 3 in a row under 2 team. A return of 1 All Ireland appearance was not good enough for the talent that was in that group." Fully agree. You can have all the numbers and talent but without the management of JK and the Co Board it's not going to come to anything.
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Waterford it is.
I have the same worries ahead of this game that i had ahead of the Galway game last year. The Déise will be gunning for us. They have unbelievable momentum at the moment. All their main players are doing the business. Yes it will be their 3rd game in a row but they are full of energy. This is the one where we could be at our most vulnerable.
Hegarty didn't play much of the league through injury I think we'll need him to get at least to as close as his best. The last day our defence conceded 3 goals. I think that's an area that the lads will try and hope normal service will resume. I would take your hand off for a one point win.
Today's game with Cork V Dublin proved that the Munster side is definitely stronger than Leinster's. Think the cats will have it all to do next week to be honest. That same Dublin team put up more of a contest against Kilkenny even with 4 fellas off due to COVID
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Replying To Mads: "Waterford it is.
I have the same worries ahead of this game that i had ahead of the Galway game last year. The Déise will be gunning for us. They have unbelievable momentum at the moment. All their main players are doing the business. Yes it will be their 3rd game in a row but they are full of energy. This is the one where we could be at our most vulnerable.
Hegarty didn't play much of the league through injury I think we'll need him to get at least to as close as his best. The last day our defence conceded 3 goals. I think that's an area that the lads will try and hope normal service will resume. I would take your hand off for a one point win.
Today's game with Cork V Dublin proved that the Munster side is definitely stronger than Leinster's. Think the cats will have it all to do next week to be honest. That same Dublin team put up more of a contest against Kilkenny even with 4 fellas off due to COVID" Can't see it myself. I may be mistaken but it will be Waterford 4th week out in a row. Looks like Austin Gleeson has picked up some ligament damage. Put it this way. Much prefer Waterford than cork
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Replying To Mads: "Waterford it is.
I have the same worries ahead of this game that i had ahead of the Galway game last year. The Déise will be gunning for us. They have unbelievable momentum at the moment. All their main players are doing the business. Yes it will be their 3rd game in a row but they are full of energy. This is the one where we could be at our most vulnerable.
Hegarty didn't play much of the league through injury I think we'll need him to get at least to as close as his best. The last day our defence conceded 3 goals. I think that's an area that the lads will try and hope normal service will resume. I would take your hand off for a one point win.
Today's game with Cork V Dublin proved that the Munster side is definitely stronger than Leinster's. Think the cats will have it all to do next week to be honest. That same Dublin team put up more of a contest against Kilkenny even with 4 fellas off due to COVID" Thought that Waterford looked shattered from the 60th min on yesterday.. .
They played fantastic hurling but definitely the 3rd week in a row seemed to catch up with them, Tipp had most of the ball towards the end but just could not get the scores they needed.
The semi final against us will be their 4th game in as many weeks.. That will have to be a factor.
We know they'll come at us with everything they've got but will they have it in the tank to keep going at that tempo for 70+ minutes? Doubtful.
I was concerned about our fitness levels after the Cork game but that's not an issue after seeing the stamina levels we had in the heat against Tipp..
Regarding the concession of goals I'd hope to see Dan Morrissey at 3 again, he brings a physical presence and solidity to the full back line thats needed.. To be honest if Waterford were fresh and had a two week break I'd be concerned but I really think we'll have too much for them.
Limerick to win by 4 to set up an all Ireland final with Kilkenny.
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Replying To Oldtourman: "I am not at all sure. I would be very worried for us. We started sluggishly against Galway last year and Tipp the last day. A slow start like those against Waterford and we are out. We need to reproduce the form of last years AIF to win. I however expect us to just about pull through. Unlike you, I have a feeling Cork will see off Kilkenny." kilkenny will bring an intensity similar to what we had to face in 2019 will that cork team be able for it i'm not so sure.
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Find it hard to see Waterford having the energy levels over 70 mins. I think that fatigue might catch up on them and Limerick are a top team. Just don't see Waterford getting so many easy scores or being let run straight through the middle of the pitch.
Cork v Kilkenny. Id fancy Cork to put it right up to Kilkenny. They ll improve again. They are getting better each week they play. Kilkenny will play at a certain level but I think Cork might have enough for them. I wouldnt like to play either of them in a final. Two great semis ahead.
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