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Why would you bother developing rural Ireland if by your logic people can't build houses there?? So you'd be happy to see your own county depopulated and moving to larger towns and cities?! Tell me so, where are all these people going to live in these massive urban sprawls you'd like to see? How will people travel in and out of work in cities with huge traffic problems? Who would provide the transport needed, schools etc etc. Think you're out of your depth in this issue. Remember just because politicians say it's right doesn't mean it is. In fact it's usually the opposite. the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 23/12/2020 16:32:21 2325693 Link 0 |
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You might need to take it up sunshine if you think government are not trying to exert control over the people. Most people are sick of it but then maybe you have a vested interest
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 23/12/2020 16:33:42 2325694 Link 0 |
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Rural parishes devoid of population and in turn not able to field a gaa team isn't an issue for government? It certainly is a big issue for them. Especially if the ones who are left behind vote elsewhere. Rural depopulation means closures of post offices, Garda stations, pubs, local small businesses. The green party can try and force people into towns and get us all car sharing vehicles powered by vegetables but this issue won't go away.
republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 23/12/2020 16:42:33 2325697 Link 0 |
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If people stopped paying for the water scheme would the government be forced to step in and provide water to the people like they do in cities??
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 23/12/2020 16:58:07 2325702 Link 0 |
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To be honest small parish teams can be like cults sometimes forcing young lads to play who dont really want to just to field a team who get hammered. The government just gave 20 million to leinster and 20 million to connacht to new build stadiums. Pro teams should not be the concern for the government brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 23/12/2020 17:03:12 2325705 Link 0 |
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If nothing else this pandemic showed the hazard of stuffing millions of people into urban areas. The same as the rain forest. Animals getting new diseases spreading to us as their habit is shrinking and they are living too close to each other. Policies turned on there head. Already in large cities people selling their houses moving out into cottage country and travelling to work. Here we go again rural communities devastated with depopulation now going to be over run by money greedy, want to be, take all people bringing their s--t with them. Politicians plotting our future has not worked out so good has it ? Its is the fringe benefits they provide (infrastructure etc.) with your tax money that creates the business opportunities. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 23/12/2020 17:59:34 2325712 Link 0 |
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Anyway ...... getting back to the original question .... lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 23/12/2020 18:20:19 2325716 Link 0 |
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Its a drip down effect. If government provides money for amenities in the rural areas the that will generate more interest there and be part of a levelling process. The money that was a lotted to Walsh Park took years to be made available waiting for the final signature. I don't know if it has arrived yet. No political power in Waterford. Would this happen any where else? The county board get plenty of stick. Maybe some warranted but they had their home work done on what was required. One politician tried to gain traction by stating that he had approval for a much bigger stadium that would never be used. Fat chance of that when it is like pulling teeth to get this smaller investment. I just wish they would think a little bit outside the box and make this the first cover stadium with 12000 or 14000 capacity. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 23/12/2020 18:48:56 2325722 Link 0 |
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The government announced to much fanfare not so long ago a 2040 development plan, brought the whole cabinet down to Sligo to promote it, the region of the country they spend the least amount of money on regional development and infrastructure on which is kind of ironic. I wonder how that plan is going lately? republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 23/12/2020 19:00:59 2325724 Link 0 |
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It's very hard to find common ground with someone who doesent want to listen. In your response to my post this morning I found it hard to make out your argument. Not having a go at you, you know your stuff, but I think youre bringing too much personal politics into the debate. 1) "rural parishes": not an issue for the state anymore. It was in the past. The powers couldnt give a rats, and even your language suggests parish pump conservatism whch doesent sell anymore in politics outside of local rep level. 2) not being able to field a GAA team in rural areas: again, couldn't give a shakes. Its an issue for the GAA, not the Irish nation. 3) rural depopulation is an issue of course, but it is the byproduct of the changing society in which we live. Like I said we are merely joining the 21st century with our European partners. Closing ameneties such as post offices doesent really matter when you consider that all post offices could be gone in another 20 years. As for garda stations? They are understaffed everywhere, so rural Ireland isn't alone in this. Once you started on about the green party... im not a fan myself but theres no great conspiracy to shaft the west of Ireland. Sorry. The west has always had its economic and financial limitations, its a beautiful part of the world, but the depopulation makes perfect sense when you consider the development index of the west compared to the rest of the island. Nothing new there. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 23/12/2020 19:21:15 2325728 Link 9 |
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I remember that. A joke. As if they're going to be held to account in 2040! So they published this plan but obviously there will be several governments between now and 2040. So will all the new governments gave to follow the plan? Yes I think you know the answer to that question. The funny thing is people actually believed it. The PR machine was in full swing that time. On a side note I wonder how they got down to Sligo?? Did they use all the wonderful train or bus service that exists to the west of Ireland??? the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 23/12/2020 19:21:16 2325729 Link 1 |
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It's called follow the votes. Sligo got the photo op. Someone else got the money.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 23/12/2020 19:48:20 2325731 Link 0 |
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Well one off houses and towns and the cities constantly moving out and not up is not the answer. Its a joke that there isnt any habitable buildings that are over 100metres in height. we need to stop spreading out the cities and remove sprawl and make buildings higher with more people living in apartments etc in the cities. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3496 - 23/12/2020 19:49:52 2325732 Link 1 |
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Sure the failed national spatial strategy was the precursor. In theory sounded good. Build up the regions (several axis were identified), take growth pressure off Dublin (ironically quality of living for many Dublin residents may have improved if the NSS was followed through in it's entirety). 2040 to me is something similar. Quite aspirational but if you don't have the basics i.e. wide scale certainty on key requirements such as broadband, access to facilitate business etc you won't get the business traction in the first instance.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 23/12/2020 19:53:36 2325734 Link 0 |
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Was Sligo excluded in the original draft of that Development plan, concentrating more on Dublin, Limerick, Galway, Cork and Waterford? A big smoke and mirrors PR exercise in the college in Sligo that day with all sorts promised. They can only deliver what the economy allows so post-COVID we can assume some plans will be postponed or cancelled. link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 23/12/2020 19:55:19 2325735 Link 3 |