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Replying To Rockies:  "Limerick dominating for a few years is better than Kilkenny dominating again! And certainly better than Tipperary . Cork have " less history " with the Treaty!"
Exactly and it was great to see Clare and Galway pick up All Ireland's in recent years. Domination by any one team is not good. I think we all got fed up of Kilkenny v Tipp All Ireland finals a few years ago too...change is good.

I hope Cork and get back to winning an All Ireland too soon. Hurling and Football.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 14/12/2020 17:30:40    2322363

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Replying To Whammo86:  "This joke wasn't funny the first time"
Oh - I dunno. It made me chuckle.

What's funny is the serious debate that has followed.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 14/12/2020 17:34:46    2322365

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "While ye were winning 30 All Irelands I heard no suggestion that your county should be divided."
In all fairness, is obvious that pkboher is joking! Don't take it seriously!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/12/2020 17:40:49    2322370

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The thread was ironic for those who are answering sincerely.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 14/12/2020 17:59:24    2322376

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Hold on a minute lads I thought this thread was set up as a joke thread. There cannot be people serious about splitting Limerick into 2 teams out there? What a load of absolute nonsense. And getting sick of all this debate about money making a big difference between counties. If you think this other county, be it Limerick Dublin or whoever are more successful than yours perhaps you should ask yourself how much have you as an individual given to your county board in the last year? How much have you directly raised by fundraising? And how many companies have you directly approached for sponsorship or other support? And perhaps most importantly are the people you are electing to your county board through the club you belong to, especially those who should be overseeing most of this fundraising, really fit to run the finances of the county or are they getting elected because "sure hes a grand fella"?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 14/12/2020 18:05:07    2322378

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Exactly and it was great to see Clare and Galway pick up All Ireland's in recent years. Domination by any one team is not good. I think we all got fed up of Kilkenny v Tipp All Ireland finals a few years ago too...change is good.

I hope Cork and get back to winning an All Ireland too soon. Hurling and Football."
Now if Mayo do a job next Sunday and defeat the Dubs , it will wind up a crazy year. Cork already took out the mighty kingdom. Up Mayo!!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/12/2020 18:12:51    2322382

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Replying To skillet:  "Interestingly enough, when Tipperary won their second all Ireland in 4 yrs I don't remember anyone calling for their sponsorship/ benefactor funding to be reviewed."
The question I pose was not just aimed at limerick rather I was using limerick as an example. It seems, maybe it is perception that there are a group of teams at top of the hurling and football who have huge financial backing which gives these counties a huge advantage and makes it an unlevel playing field. I think it is disingenerous to tell weaker counties to work harder and get their act together when they have none of this financial backing and never will. Some people now believe that a number of the top gaa teams in both codes are professional while the rest are essentially amateur. If elitism gains traction then I think it will massively damage the ethos of the gaa in what made it what it is.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 14/12/2020 18:22:13    2322386

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Replying To Rockies:  "In all fairness, is obvious that pkboher is joking! Don't take it seriously!"
Exactly. Can't believe the amount of people who are taking this seriously. No county should ever be split. Not even Dublin. No body was talking about splitting Dublin in the 2000's. I do believe funding should be looked at but all this talk of splitting or joining smaller counties together is nonsense

pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 14/12/2020 18:43:20    2322397

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Actually if you delve into the background to this team
You will find that lot of these lads have come off the back of 2 minor teams
They didn't win All Ire at minor
They were beaten in one final and semi fina
But the key thing is they developed into a fine team and went on to win at u21
They were nurtured and helped with strength and condititioning good coaching
The Limerick academy had been set up by Joe Mc Kenna after a bad beating for Limerick u21ss
And then JP backed it up around 2011
But as I said before these lads allways had the talent
My own county Galway has won many Minor All IRE but its the next step to u20 is key

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 14/12/2020 18:45:31    2322398

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Replying To skillet:  "Interestingly enough, when Tipperary won their second all Ireland in 4 yrs I don't remember anyone calling for their sponsorship/ benefactor funding to be reviewed."
They hadn't gone all season unbeaten though.
Last time that happened was near 60 years ago.
That is not normal service.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 14/12/2020 18:53:26    2322403

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "The question I pose was not just aimed at limerick rather I was using limerick as an example. It seems, maybe it is perception that there are a group of teams at top of the hurling and football who have huge financial backing which gives these counties a huge advantage and makes it an unlevel playing field. I think it is disingenerous to tell weaker counties to work harder and get their act together when they have none of this financial backing and never will. Some people now believe that a number of the top gaa teams in both codes are professional while the rest are essentially amateur. If elitism gains traction then I think it will massively damage the ethos of the gaa in what made it what it is."
What you say is 100% correct but you will get no traction for it because of selfishness. I'm okay Jack but you no what you. All to the demise of the sport.The onus is on the GAA if claiming to be an amateur sport to maintain a level playing field. Like I said before if not get on with the drive (obviously have) towards professionalism where we will have a few teams in the country. Follow the money. You also have people on here throwing out the red herring that certain teams have always dominated the sport as a defence. However the Romans once ruled the world.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 14/12/2020 18:54:28    2322404

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "The question I pose was not just aimed at limerick rather I was using limerick as an example. It seems, maybe it is perception that there are a group of teams at top of the hurling and football who have huge financial backing which gives these counties a huge advantage and makes it an unlevel playing field. I think it is disingenerous to tell weaker counties to work harder and get their act together when they have none of this financial backing and never will. Some people now believe that a number of the top gaa teams in both codes are professional while the rest are essentially amateur. If elitism gains traction then I think it will massively damage the ethos of the gaa in what made it what it is."
Wouldnt call the top sides pro. Maybe semi pro.
What would you do about this into the future?
Top sides are going to be rewarded more, have ability to help support players more.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3504 - 14/12/2020 19:42:33    2322413

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Replying To Canuck:  "What you say is 100% correct but you will get no traction for it because of selfishness. I'm okay Jack but you no what you. All to the demise of the sport.The onus is on the GAA if claiming to be an amateur sport to maintain a level playing field. Like I said before if not get on with the drive (obviously have) towards professionalism where we will have a few teams in the country. Follow the money. You also have people on here throwing out the red herring that certain teams have always dominated the sport as a defence. However the Romans once ruled the world."
Hurling is very strong atm. Hurling has always been limited to a small number of teams because the sport is taken seriously in most counties. Comparing a sport to an empire is really bizarre and a habit of yours. Waterford's lack of success has nothing to do with Limerick's or any other county's sponsorship.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 19:48:04    2322416

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Replying To catch22:  "They hadn't gone all season unbeaten though.
Last time that happened was near 60 years ago.
That is not normal service."
An exceptional Limerick team. Whether it is normal service or not is irrelevant. I can't believe this has actually turned into a serious conversation.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 19:50:10    2322418

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Replying To Rockies:  "Now if Mayo do a job next Sunday and defeat the Dubs , it will wind up a crazy year. Cork already took out the mighty kingdom. Up Mayo!!"
Oh oh if that happens we will have to split mayo into four!! That's the next thing we'll hear.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 14/12/2020 19:53:26    2322422

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Wouldnt call the top sides pro. Maybe semi pro.
What would you do about this into the future?
Top sides are going to be rewarded more, have ability to help support players more."
If you compare how a player with one of the elite counties is managed, coached and looked after compared to a player in a weaker county, I would imagine that they would class these elite players as professional. What should be done? Firstly, stop spending millions of euros on stadiums that are empty 95% of the time and instead take the money and help the weaker counties in hurling and football to put in place a structure that will enable them to compete at least in their province if not at national level. Help these teams narrow the gap, It is ridiculous to expect a weak county to bridge the gap between themselves and counties that are backed by millions of euros. But what does the GAA do, send hurling teams to Boston and Australia to promote the game of hurling outside Ireland while there are 20+ teams in Ireland who can't compete to a decent standard. Not only has the GAA oversaw this in hurling but they are following the same strategy in football. I would also reward the best players with an All Star award regardless of what level you are playing at, stop confining this award to the teams that play in the All Ireland. There is a guy Shane Conway playing hurling for Kerry, he would be an All Star if he was playing with one of the elite teams.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 14/12/2020 20:10:21    2322429

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Replying To rhudson:  "Actually if you delve into the background to this team
You will find that lot of these lads have come off the back of 2 minor teams
They didn't win All Ire at minor
They were beaten in one final and semi fina
But the key thing is they developed into a fine team and went on to win at u21
They were nurtured and helped with strength and condititioning good coaching
The Limerick academy had been set up by Joe Mc Kenna after a bad beating for Limerick u21ss
And then JP backed it up around 2011
But as I said before these lads allways had the talent
My own county Galway has won many Minor All IRE but its the next step to u20 is key"
Thanks rhudson. You have the facts of the situation well described here.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 14/12/2020 20:16:35    2322430

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
And what makes you think they will dominate. I'd say you are most probably a lad who wouldn't even know where your club grounds are. Stay on your computer like a good man

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1800 - 14/12/2020 20:24:13    2322432

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Hurling is very strong atm. Hurling has always been limited to a small number of teams because the sport is taken seriously in most counties. Comparing a sport to an empire is really bizarre and a habit of yours. Waterford's lack of success has nothing to do with Limerick's or any other county's sponsorship."
O now I see where we are going. Make the discussion personal and suggest that I have a habit of making comparison with the Roman Empire because I used it metaphorically once. If this offends you I apologize. I never ever once said that Waterford's lack of success was cause by Limerick's sponsorship. I might be a little closer than you to the fortunes or misfortunes of Waterford. However I will not take issue with your shared opinions.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 14/12/2020 20:40:05    2322439

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "If you compare how a player with one of the elite counties is managed, coached and looked after compared to a player in a weaker county, I would imagine that they would class these elite players as professional. What should be done? Firstly, stop spending millions of euros on stadiums that are empty 95% of the time and instead take the money and help the weaker counties in hurling and football to put in place a structure that will enable them to compete at least in their province if not at national level. Help these teams narrow the gap, It is ridiculous to expect a weak county to bridge the gap between themselves and counties that are backed by millions of euros. But what does the GAA do, send hurling teams to Boston and Australia to promote the game of hurling outside Ireland while there are 20+ teams in Ireland who can't compete to a decent standard. Not only has the GAA oversaw this in hurling but they are following the same strategy in football. I would also reward the best players with an All Star award regardless of what level you are playing at, stop confining this award to the teams that play in the All Ireland. There is a guy Shane Conway playing hurling for Kerry, he would be an All Star if he was playing with one of the elite teams."
They wouldnt. Training a lot with very good prep like the county players these days do doesnt make them professional.
They are elite athletes, the best in their field but theyre not professional players.

Stadiums earn or can/should earn those who own them in managed correctly a very good income on non match days. Doing them up helps the service people get on match days. Be it covered seats/terraces. Decent clean toilets etc. These all are a minimum in this day and age and requires money. You cant just say stop spending on stadiums and put that money into player development.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3504 - 14/12/2020 20:40:15    2322440

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