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With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?

pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 13/12/2020 19:32:10    2322066

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
Great thread, well done!

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 13/12/2020 19:51:23    2322076

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
YEA, Ye can Have Moyross and Athea- Job done. On a more serious note the way Cork overcame our U21s yesterday would suggest there is no need to even think of dividing us- not that that is ever going to happen anyway.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 13/12/2020 19:52:41    2322077

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Completely agree, it's only fair for hurling ;)

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 267 - 13/12/2020 20:07:03    2322090

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This joke wasn't funny the first time

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 13/12/2020 20:10:11    2322093

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Seriously - in both codes - form teams based on Electoral constituency, so each represents a more equal population headcount - it is radical but fairer.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 13/12/2020 20:23:29    2322104

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Limerick don't use the national stadium as their home ground or get disproportionate central funding so i'd relax for the moment.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 13/12/2020 20:29:59    2322112

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What way? Have a team in green called LIME and a team in yellow called RICK?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11722 - 13/12/2020 20:38:15    2322117

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
Limerick dominating for a few years is better than Kilkenny dominating again! And certainly better than Tipperary . Cork have " less history " with the Treaty!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/12/2020 21:22:27    2322147

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Replying To omahant:  "Seriously - in both codes - form teams based on Electoral constituency, so each represents a more equal population headcount - it is radical but fairer."
No.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 14:00:36    2322295

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Replying To omahant:  "Seriously - in both codes - form teams based on Electoral constituency, so each represents a more equal population headcount - it is radical but fairer."
Good no. The GAA is about identity. There is little identity with electoral constituencies which can change quite a lot.

Every county shouldnt have to be near equal population or have to be.
No sport has teams where they are all picking from equal populations be it national or club sport

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 14/12/2020 14:05:37    2322298

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
What a load of copwollop ie split Limerick into four. Limerick have won their second AI in three years and somehow a forum is set up to split them up. Look Limerick deserved their AI but there was very little in it between A few countries this year. If Galway had changed their sweeper tactics in semi final it could well be a different story. That's no disrespect to Limerick. The answer for every other country is to reach same levels as Limerick now. Ever County gets their dominant time in hurling or football. Dublin are same at moment. It Usero be Kerryin football and Kilkenny in hurling. IMP if county were to be split it would kill GAA

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 14/12/2020 14:22:37    2322308

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Limerick deserve their place in the sun, they have a very well honed machine and at the same time play a beautiful and exciting brand of hurling. They shoot from distance and score 30+ points in every game. What's interesting is their zone defense, there always seems to be three Limerick players suffocating an opponent with support on the flanks ready to engage if the opponent miraculously manages to get past first three. Very rarely is the ball sky'ed, delivery seems to be a low trajectory (fastest route) ball route and forwards can make unbelievable overshoulder shots that are hard to block/hook.
Limerick are at least five points better than any team right now, their play through the ranks is almost perfect. Where there might be some kinks in the armor is the amount of frees they give away. Which is what basically kept Galway and Waterford in the games they played. In addition to the frees given, they have gotten away with a lot of plays that were borderline frees also. Limerick is NOT a dirty team its just a result of the system they play they are prone to give frees. Im also looking at the hand passes they give, fast streamlined, directed and accurate and again borderline legal.
Now having said all this, the fact that Limerick can give away so many frees and still beat teams by 5+ points tells us how good this team is and were very unfortunate ( and robbed) of what I think would have been a well deserved three in a row.

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 111 - 14/12/2020 15:00:34    2322320

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Congratulations to Limerick on winning their 2nd All Ireland in 3 years. They are a fabulous team and on the evidence available in the last 3 years are clearly the best equipped teams in terms of quality players within one county squad. I don't believe dividing counties into different parts or amalgamating counties is the way forward. I don't believe that people from weaker counties want to win anything if it means joining up with another county. However, I would like to know how much sponsorship money LImerick receive from their private benefactor, does anyone know the figures. I would like to know so it can be compared with other counties to see if it is having an effect. Would anyone agree that merging all the central funding and sponsorship money together centrally and distributing it across the counties would be fairer than allow individual counties to have a massive sponsorship deal? Maybe it is fair that the stronger counties are allowed to get their own sponsorship based upon their success but I think it is making having a level playing field very difficult especially considering it is an amateur game or is the amateur ethos, the fly in the ointment?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 14/12/2020 15:15:54    2322324

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Congratulations to Limerick on winning their 2nd All Ireland in 3 years. They are a fabulous team and on the evidence available in the last 3 years are clearly the best equipped teams in terms of quality players within one county squad. I don't believe dividing counties into different parts or amalgamating counties is the way forward. I don't believe that people from weaker counties want to win anything if it means joining up with another county. However, I would like to know how much sponsorship money LImerick receive from their private benefactor, does anyone know the figures. I would like to know so it can be compared with other counties to see if it is having an effect. Would anyone agree that merging all the central funding and sponsorship money together centrally and distributing it across the counties would be fairer than allow individual counties to have a massive sponsorship deal? Maybe it is fair that the stronger counties are allowed to get their own sponsorship based upon their success but I think it is making having a level playing field very difficult especially considering it is an amateur game or is the amateur ethos, the fly in the ointment?"
Interestingly enough, when Tipperary won their second all Ireland in 4 yrs I don't remember anyone calling for their sponsorship/ benefactor funding to be reviewed.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1056 - 14/12/2020 15:37:58    2322326

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Congratulations to Limerick on winning their 2nd All Ireland in 3 years. They are a fabulous team and on the evidence available in the last 3 years are clearly the best equipped teams in terms of quality players within one county squad. I don't believe dividing counties into different parts or amalgamating counties is the way forward. I don't believe that people from weaker counties want to win anything if it means joining up with another county. However, I would like to know how much sponsorship money LImerick receive from their private benefactor, does anyone know the figures. I would like to know so it can be compared with other counties to see if it is having an effect. Would anyone agree that merging all the central funding and sponsorship money together centrally and distributing it across the counties would be fairer than allow individual counties to have a massive sponsorship deal? Maybe it is fair that the stronger counties are allowed to get their own sponsorship based upon their success but I think it is making having a level playing field very difficult especially considering it is an amateur game or is the amateur ethos, the fly in the ointment?"
Agree with a lot of what you say especially How well oiled a machine Limerick are. Yes they do give away a lot of frees but everyone of them are big strong men. If I'm honest at times yesterday it looked like Limerick had 3 extra players on field. You have to admire the style of hurling they play. I don't agree on sponsoring going central. Do you think JP McManus or whoever is going to be giving €€€€? away without knowing exactly where it's going.?! Definitely not

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 14/12/2020 15:52:40    2322335

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Replying To skillet:  "Interestingly enough, when Tipperary won their second all Ireland in 4 yrs I don't remember anyone calling for their sponsorship/ benefactor funding to be reviewed."
Or Kilkenny and Glanbia. They aren't a small company.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 16:06:02    2322339

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To win races you have to have the horse first. Once you have that money is a big factor to get the right trainer and best jockey on its back. Limerick by a country mile have the best players, management, trainers, backroom etc. Don't kid yourself it takes money to maintain that and good for them to be in that position. If any of these things are missing your chance of success is limited. The question is in a so called amateur sport is that okay. Other that the players is all other parts supposed to be equal for all. The road to professional started a long time ago and exists in Gaelic games. Lots of good paying jobs but don't say that out loud in case the kid (feeder system) who comes down to the field several times a week stops. Or his parents give up out fitting him/her while driving all over the place to games. There is lots of healthy enjoyment got from the sport but trying telling the rest of the entertainment world that is their payment. I am not advocating for professionalism but the existing of two different streams, while ignoring it exists. One that has limited resources and the other with abundance.
Congrats again to Limerick and thank you for changing the balance of power on the field in the game.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 14/12/2020 16:26:33    2322343

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Replying To Toman:  "What a load of copwollop ie split Limerick into four. Limerick have won their second AI in three years and somehow a forum is set up to split them up. Look Limerick deserved their AI but there was very little in it between A few countries this year. If Galway had changed their sweeper tactics in semi final it could well be a different story. That's no disrespect to Limerick. The answer for every other country is to reach same levels as Limerick now. Ever County gets their dominant time in hurling or football. Dublin are same at moment. It Usero be Kerryin football and Kilkenny in hurling. IMP if county were to be split it would kill GAA"
Maybe there is merit in adding certain B and C teams instead ?

It would give more players a chance to compete, possibly break into the A team and it would provide fans with local derbies.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 14/12/2020 16:55:57    2322356

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Replying To pkboher:  "With Limericks clear dominance going to continue for many years to come is it now time to discuss the possibility of Limerick splitting into 2 teams for the interest and fairness of hurling?"
While ye were winning 30 All Irelands I heard no suggestion that your county should be divided.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 14/12/2020 17:19:29    2322360

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