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Handicap For Championship

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Should a handicap be introduced based on county funding/population size/league position?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1689 - 09/12/2020 11:57:18    2320594

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No, handicaps shouldn't be a thing in serious competition

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3387 - 09/12/2020 12:41:56    2320621

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One of my prior ideas was a Conference 'handicapped' AI SFC, tweaked as follows -

- To set up, initially refer to teams' finishing positions in the NFL's 4 divs of 8.
- Place all 16 teams finishing 1st, 8th, 4th & 5th
in Conference A.
- Place all 16 teams finishing 2nd, 7th, 3rd & 6th in Conference B.
- Teams play 12 of 16 opponents in the OTHER Conference.
- To handicap, teams avoid 4 opponents, so there are no div 1v4 & div 2v3 pairings.
- Best 12 of 32 to AI KO, with a Conf top 6 creating a KO stream without repeat pairings.
- If one Conf has less than 6, teams placed 7th etc in the other Conf cross over.
- Conf SFs are 1st v 4th/5th (or 6th) & 2nd v 4th/5th (or 3rd).
- Confs refreshed for the following year with those 1st, 8th, 4th & 5th in each half of each Conf table staying and the other 16 crossing over.
Option - 2nd 12 (or 8) of 32 to a similar Tier 2 KO.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1999 - 11/12/2020 16:00:00    2321383

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Can you imagine a big sports league having handicaps for any team? Handicaps are not a good thing when it comes to sports leagues because the professional integrity will get hurt. You do not see leagues like the Premier League in England or the NBA in the US talking about handicaps because it just does not work. Hampering one's chance to win is counter-productive to the league's goal of having a lot of successful teams.

KaitlynnDuff (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 17/12/2020 13:42:30    2323142

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Replying To omahant:  "One of my prior ideas was a Conference 'handicapped' AI SFC, tweaked as follows -

- To set up, initially refer to teams' finishing positions in the NFL's 4 divs of 8.
- Place all 16 teams finishing 1st, 8th, 4th & 5th
in Conference A.
- Place all 16 teams finishing 2nd, 7th, 3rd & 6th in Conference B.
- Teams play 12 of 16 opponents in the OTHER Conference.
- To handicap, teams avoid 4 opponents, so there are no div 1v4 & div 2v3 pairings.
- Best 12 of 32 to AI KO, with a Conf top 6 creating a KO stream without repeat pairings.
- If one Conf has less than 6, teams placed 7th etc in the other Conf cross over.
- Conf SFs are 1st v 4th/5th (or 6th) & 2nd v 4th/5th (or 3rd).
- Confs refreshed for the following year with those 1st, 8th, 4th & 5th in each half of each Conf table staying and the other 16 crossing over.
Option - 2nd 12 (or 8) of 32 to a similar Tier 2 KO."
Why do you want a competition where its not easy to explain to even the most casual fans what the format is etc.

Every week you would need media to explain the format to fans.
Easy, simply understood formats work best

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2279 - 17/12/2020 14:12:32    2323153

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Leave handicap to golf.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 925 - 17/12/2020 14:14:52    2323156

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No handicap but if Dublin win on Saturday, perhaps something novel could be done for one year. This would obviously be a decision for Dublin themselves to take, but for one season, perhaps Dublin as a county would not enter the All-Ireland championship and instead their Senior clubs enter it.

This is not an attempt to stop Dublin winning anything. It might even raise the competition level in Leinster football and if a Dublin club lifted Sam Maguire, then everyone else would have questions to answer.

Pat Gilroy was interesting on the Sunday Game when he said Dublin's administrators had offered to help other Leinster counties and nobody took up the offer. Having serious administrators is as important as having good players these days.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6219 - 17/12/2020 14:18:06    2323159

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Replying To slayer:  "No handicap but if Dublin win on Saturday, perhaps something novel could be done for one year. This would obviously be a decision for Dublin themselves to take, but for one season, perhaps Dublin as a county would not enter the All-Ireland championship and instead their Senior clubs enter it.

This is not an attempt to stop Dublin winning anything. It might even raise the competition level in Leinster football and if a Dublin club lifted Sam Maguire, then everyone else would have questions to answer.

Pat Gilroy was interesting on the Sunday Game when he said Dublin's administrators had offered to help other Leinster counties and nobody took up the offer. Having serious administrators is as important as having good players these days."
Can't agree with that. They should be seeded into the Leinster final. Have it played in Portlaoise or Nowlan Park instead of Croke Park.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 263 - 17/12/2020 17:11:59    2323233

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