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C Staunton is right. Shouldn't there just be one organisation in charge of men's and women's football, hurling and camogie? essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 08/12/2020 01:07:32 2320077 Link
There possibly should but the Camogie and LGFA have consistently rejected the notion Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 08/12/2020 11:07:30 2320150 Link
Replying To essmac: "C Staunton is right. Shouldn't there just be one organisation in charge of men's and women's football, hurling and camogie?" No brainer at this stage but vested interests have overruled common sense to this point bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 08/12/2020 13:05:14 2320209 Link
Last Sundays situation has shown clearly the need for all 3 organisations to come together as one. If ladies are to have better access to big venues when they need them.then it is a no brainer. But, both the Camogie Asociatiknand the LGFA will have to make sacrifices. And the real question is, will they put their players first. They will be difficult to convince I feel. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 09/12/2020 20:14:21 2320841 Link
Yeah, I'm with the united organizations idea. If divided then one league is surely going to have more benefits than the other simply because the organization of one is lacking.. KaitlynnDuff (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 14/12/2020 12:59:37 2322275 Link
It sounds straightforward in theory, but it's the womens' bodies (!) that are most against it. The fact that ladies football and camogie aren't even joined under the one body, never mind with the GAA is very telling. Call me cynical but I think at least part of the motivation is that at the moment you've 3 national Presidents, 32 camogie county chairpeople, 32 LGFA chairpeople, executives etc. many of whom will lose plum spots in the musical chairs if the 3 organisations are merged. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 14/12/2020 13:52:57 2322289 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "It sounds straightforward in theory, but it's the womens' bodies (!) that are most against it. The fact that ladies football and camogie aren't even joined under the one body, never mind with the GAA is very telling. Call me cynical but I think at least part of the motivation is that at the moment you've 3 national Presidents, 32 camogie county chairpeople, 32 LGFA chairpeople, executives etc. many of whom will lose plum spots in the musical chairs if the 3 organisations are merged." At this stage it is a joke, I involved with Camogie in Dublin for years and it is at club level an even bigger mess. Both orgainsations know this is not sustainable, this is not good for the girls. There is will on the ground but I would be inclined to concur, very narrow interests by those running the ladies organisations. I would go so far as to say they are Anti-Women. Camogie would accommodate Hockey before Ladies Football and LadiesFootball would accommodate Soccer before Camogie. But I do think Govt can make a stand through its agencies like sports grants etc and just say we are only dealing with one organsiation end of. Also players themselves need to be more vocal. But I also feel it suits a lot of counties to keep it this way. The reality is it makes total sense from player welfare, equality, economics plus the GAA organisation would go from strenght to strenght. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/12/2020 10:02:24 2322528 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "It sounds straightforward in theory, but it's the womens' bodies (!) that are most against it. The fact that ladies football and camogie aren't even joined under the one body, never mind with the GAA is very telling. Call me cynical but I think at least part of the motivation is that at the moment you've 3 national Presidents, 32 camogie county chairpeople, 32 LGFA chairpeople, executives etc. many of whom will lose plum spots in the musical chairs if the 3 organisations are merged." You have nailed it in one, it is all about power & the GAA is rotten with it. None of them want to dilute their influence. Many in the GAA want neither LGFA or Camogie to join as it means some pitches which traditionally never gave access to the women's sports will be under pressure to do so now. There are many dinosaurs within the Association who view them as "wimin who make the tae & the sangwiches", the CFR paramedics better be out in force at Congress when they do join as some of those lads will have coronaries when they see women there, especially when there will be less positions of power to divy out to the lads. They will absolutely s#it the pants when gender equality is demanded, I can't wait to see it happen. Funding will have to be shared equally then as well, so the mens game will now have to accept less funding. The GPA were clever clogs & got the ladies on board fast, to make them even more powerful, as they now have bigger numbers & will claim inclusivity, which will mean greater demands for more funding from the GAA. Its interesting to see certain female players out in force in the media vying for a role & the nice salary at the GPA. Everyone out for themselves, that's the way it has become. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 15/12/2020 14:50:41 2322643 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "You have nailed it in one, it is all about power & the GAA is rotten with it. None of them want to dilute their influence. Many in the GAA want neither LGFA or Camogie to join as it means some pitches which traditionally never gave access to the women's sports will be under pressure to do so now. There are many dinosaurs within the Association who view them as "wimin who make the tae & the sangwiches", the CFR paramedics better be out in force at Congress when they do join as some of those lads will have coronaries when they see women there, especially when there will be less positions of power to divy out to the lads. They will absolutely s#it the pants when gender equality is demanded, I can't wait to see it happen. Funding will have to be shared equally then as well, so the mens game will now have to accept less funding. The GPA were clever clogs & got the ladies on board fast, to make them even more powerful, as they now have bigger numbers & will claim inclusivity, which will mean greater demands for more funding from the GAA. Its interesting to see certain female players out in force in the media vying for a role & the nice salary at the GPA. Everyone out for themselves, that's the way it has become." I was going for the opposite angle to be honest. The LGFA and Camogie organisations have people who enjoy being big fishes in small ponds (men & women). They'd lose their stature in the GAA. I've no idea where you get the notion the GAA hate women. They currently accommodate the LGFA and Camogie associations out of goodwill, why would they have a problem doing it as part of their remit? CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 15/12/2020 15:34:15 2322657 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "You have nailed it in one, it is all about power & the GAA is rotten with it. None of them want to dilute their influence. Many in the GAA want neither LGFA or Camogie to join as it means some pitches which traditionally never gave access to the women's sports will be under pressure to do so now. There are many dinosaurs within the Association who view them as "wimin who make the tae & the sangwiches", the CFR paramedics better be out in force at Congress when they do join as some of those lads will have coronaries when they see women there, especially when there will be less positions of power to divy out to the lads. They will absolutely s#it the pants when gender equality is demanded, I can't wait to see it happen. Funding will have to be shared equally then as well, so the mens game will now have to accept less funding. The GPA were clever clogs & got the ladies on board fast, to make them even more powerful, as they now have bigger numbers & will claim inclusivity, which will mean greater demands for more funding from the GAA. Its interesting to see certain female players out in force in the media vying for a role & the nice salary at the GPA. Everyone out for themselves, that's the way it has become." Your rant against the gaa makes no sense, the other two organisations are the ones refusing not the gaa, your rant against men makes even less sense, the gaa in Limerick are crying out for more involvement from women and you will find alot of women highly involved in clubs. cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 15/12/2020 17:17:25 2322679 Link
TBH, the situation is very weird. The football ladies are very much involved in the running of our club. It's like they are part of the GAA in everything but name. The camogie on the other hand seem to be totally separate and they have no involvement in the club whatsoever, except for using the facilities. Don't know what it's like in other clubs. liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 15/12/2020 17:42:38 2322684 Link
Replying To liam500: "TBH, the situation is very weird. The football ladies are very much involved in the running of our club. It's like they are part of the GAA in everything but name. The camogie on the other hand seem to be totally separate and they have no involvement in the club whatsoever, except for using the facilities. Don't know what it's like in other clubs." I was actually surprised to find out they were even separate organisations. Like you say, women in our local club are an integral part of the club. What's happened is that, at club level, the organisations have merged in all but name. As someone once said, the primary duty of a bureaucracy is to perpetuate its own existence. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/12/2020 19:25:40 2322712 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "I was going for the opposite angle to be honest. The LGFA and Camogie organisations have people who enjoy being big fishes in small ponds (men & women). They'd lose their stature in the GAA. I've no idea where you get the notion the GAA hate women. They currently accommodate the LGFA and Camogie associations out of goodwill, why would they have a problem doing it as part of their remit?" I got where you were coming from Castlebravo, yes they have the power seekers in Ladies set ups as well, who enjoy the power trip. In fairness there are some within the GAA who help to accommodate the ladies organisations with pitches, but there is a lot of animosity from many, getting pitches is a nightmare for them. Let's not forget the greatest ladies football team of all time, Cork, didn't get to play in Pairc Ui Chaoimh till this year. There are many officials within the GAA who are not happy about the prospect of having to divest power, facilities & finance to the ladies. In reply to the other poster, of course I agree that women are hugely involved at club level & make great administrators but there are many obstacles against them further up the ladder. It's not a rant or hate, it's actually factual for a lot of ladies within the GAA who have experienced difficulties on the ground. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 15/12/2020 22:09:56 2322768 Link
I'm ignorant of many of the inner workings of GAA administration and politics,, so correct me if I'm wrong,, but the girls and the lads coming under the one roof will surely eventually lead to a 50/50 dplit in terms of funding for the senior teams. In this case the men will be the big losers,(especially at a time when more funding is required to remain competitive) , but most male GAA players seem on board with the idea so why not? (again I'm mostly assuming,, correct me if I'm wrong) Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 15/12/2020 23:19:16 2322781 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "You have nailed it in one, it is all about power & the GAA is rotten with it. None of them want to dilute their influence. Many in the GAA want neither LGFA or Camogie to join as it means some pitches which traditionally never gave access to the women's sports will be under pressure to do so now. There are many dinosaurs within the Association who view them as "wimin who make the tae & the sangwiches", the CFR paramedics better be out in force at Congress when they do join as some of those lads will have coronaries when they see women there, especially when there will be less positions of power to divy out to the lads. They will absolutely s#it the pants when gender equality is demanded, I can't wait to see it happen. Funding will have to be shared equally then as well, so the mens game will now have to accept less funding. The GPA were clever clogs & got the ladies on board fast, to make them even more powerful, as they now have bigger numbers & will claim inclusivity, which will mean greater demands for more funding from the GAA. Its interesting to see certain female players out in force in the media vying for a role & the nice salary at the GPA. Everyone out for themselves, that's the way it has become." Excellent post it would appear that instead of promoting the rights and welfare of players which will be the claim a lot of this is about furthering the career interests of certain individuals. I love the GAA but when it comes to the suits of the organisation higher up the food chain and all the representive bodies with the increasing number of growing titles i love it a little less so. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 16/12/2020 06:04:24 2322794 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "I'm ignorant of many of the inner workings of GAA administration and politics,, so correct me if I'm wrong,, but the girls and the lads coming under the one roof will surely eventually lead to a 50/50 dplit in terms of funding for the senior teams. In this case the men will be the big losers,(especially at a time when more funding is required to remain competitive) , but most male GAA players seem on board with the idea so why not? (again I'm mostly assuming,, correct me if I'm wrong)" Most clubs in Donegal have womens teams so they are already benefiting from funding for the mens game. A GDA for a club doesn't just work with the boys. Having everything under the one roof makes sense. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 16/12/2020 13:53:26 2322864 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "Most clubs in Donegal have womens teams so they are already benefiting from funding for the mens game. A GDA for a club doesn't just work with the boys. Having everything under the one roof makes sense." That's my query. The women will seemingly benefit from this far more than the men. Alot of the money that the men generate will from now on be diverted to looking after the women's teams,, mens teams are already looking for more funds as it is, they can kinda forget about it now. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 16/12/2020 14:28:57 2322877 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "You have nailed it in one, it is all about power & the GAA is rotten with it. None of them want to dilute their influence. Many in the GAA want neither LGFA or Camogie to join as it means some pitches which traditionally never gave access to the women's sports will be under pressure to do so now. There are many dinosaurs within the Association who view them as "wimin who make the tae & the sangwiches", the CFR paramedics better be out in force at Congress when they do join as some of those lads will have coronaries when they see women there, especially when there will be less positions of power to divy out to the lads. They will absolutely s#it the pants when gender equality is demanded, I can't wait to see it happen. Funding will have to be shared equally then as well, so the mens game will now have to accept less funding. The GPA were clever clogs & got the ladies on board fast, to make them even more powerful, as they now have bigger numbers & will claim inclusivity, which will mean greater demands for more funding from the GAA. Its interesting to see certain female players out in force in the media vying for a role & the nice salary at the GPA. Everyone out for themselves, that's the way it has become." A merger is a win win situation for all involved. The reality is that gaa clubs can't get people to run for administrative positions at County level. There's a 5 year rule for the main positions at County level and three years at national level and good people are always busy people. This would have happened when Liam O'Neil was president if the ladies association had been willing. Every organisation needs change and this could transform gaa games at club level if it goes ahead. There's too much focus on the County players in these discussions as 99% of the players are club players. midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 102 - 16/12/2020 15:32:46 2322908 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "That's my query. The women will seemingly benefit from this far more than the men. Alot of the money that the men generate will from now on be diverted to looking after the women's teams,, mens teams are already looking for more funds as it is, they can kinda forget about it now." Women will benefit more if there are under the GAA but Gaelic games aren't just for boys. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 16/12/2020 16:58:51 2322945 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "Women will benefit more if there are under the GAA but Gaelic games aren't just for boys. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here." What I'm getting at is that at the moment crowds are bigger for the men's game,, and that the men generate more money,, this decision to merge means that more of the money they are generating will be siphoned away from them to promote their female counterparts. Its an important issue at a time when so many teams are questioning their own funding as it is. There's probably gonna be even less of it now. I'm just stating that it seems to be a far better deal for the women than it is for men. But it was voted in democratically so good luck to all involved. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 16/12/2020 19:25:31 2322988 Link