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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "But dublin aren't been treated like a county killingfields they're being treated as a province by the gaa and the funding they get proves that. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its pretty safe to assume dublin is now a province in all but name. Intercounty teams need to be playing other intercounty teams and provincial teams should be playing in a revamped railway Cup competition." Inter county teams playing other inter county teams with far less or more population. Inter county teams playing other inter county teams in competitions where the other teams are far more focused on a different code. That all sounds grand Tommy sure why wouldn't you want that to continue. Sure tis great like ! catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/02/2021 10:59:23 2330784 Link
Replying To Black+Blue: "I'm not trying to be deliberately smart here....but the thread is called splitting Dublin so I've a question for the Dublin posters..... is it a no go at any time ever ? ... or is it a wait and see what happens in the future ? CSO puts projected population growth for Dublin up by 400,000 in the next 15 years ( not that far away really )......that'll bring the population up to 1,750,000.... would that still be a no to a split then ?.... would 2 million be a no ?..... just curious if there is a line in the sand...." Black+Blue , let's just say for argument sake that Dublin was split but still continue to win All Ireland's on a regular basis which you would have to conclude from the numbers you quote. Not much change in terms of effect in that case. What happens then ? Do you consider amalgamation of other counties or would you have a look at how the main competition is structured ? Personally, it seems like the easy answer is change Dublin but nothing else has to change. For me that's not really helping make things better for the vast majority of others. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 09/02/2021 11:12:07 2330785 Link
Replying To catch22: "Inter county teams playing other inter county teams with far less or more population. Inter county teams playing other inter county teams in competitions where the other teams are far more focused on a different code. That all sounds grand Tommy sure why wouldn't you want that to continue. Sure tis great like !" Exactly !! superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/02/2021 11:15:10 2330786 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "But dublin aren't been treated like a county killingfields they're being treated as a province by the gaa and the funding they get proves that. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its pretty safe to assume dublin is now a province in all but name. Intercounty teams need to be playing other intercounty teams and provincial teams should be playing in a revamped railway Cup competition." Yes for sure Dublin has plenty of access to money and maybe you are right that because of that it's unfair on the majority of other counties so Yes maybe it's time to remove them from the championship. Also the other money teams have to go with them so we can have an inter pro competition with Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo Donegal Limerick Tyrone and the other 25 counties play for the all ireland. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 09/02/2021 11:28:40 2330787 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Black+Blue , let's just say for argument sake that Dublin was split but still continue to win All Ireland's on a regular basis which you would have to conclude from the numbers you quote. Not much change in terms of effect in that case. What happens then ? Do you consider amalgamation of other counties or would you have a look at how the main competition is structured ? Personally, it seems like the easy answer is change Dublin but nothing else has to change. For me that's not really helping make things better for the vast majority of others." Amalgamation of other (weaker) counties is part of the proposal which has been aired here.For example a team representing Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim,this to provide meaningful competitive teams competing in the AI football championship ONLY! There is a full lost of teams in the new proposed teams structure earlier in this thread which includes the four teams representing the Dublin area and also some stand alone teams.....16 teams which would provide us with a cracking competitive championship. It would be interesting to see a line out of teams representing amalgamated teams. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/02/2021 11:32:56 2330788 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "It would be useful to read the link you posted. The "County Dublin" that was abolished was the old administrative area covered by Dublin County Council which did not include the city. Dublin County Council was abolished and split into three (DLR, SD, Fingal). So an administrative area, that did not cover all of the traditional area of County Dublin was split into three administrative areas. "The previous county of Dublin that ceased to exist" was a council area that wasn't all of the county of Dublin. It like saying that because Clones Town Council was abolished that Monaghan has ceased to exist as a county." I have read, have you not?. I even put quotes from the bill. I also at the time read accounts in the papers when this law went through the Dail. The tradational 32 counties were the counties that were set up by the British/ Norman's. Borough councils (Cork/ Dublin etc.) were sometimes present to manage cities inside these counties. County councils came well after when the counties were actually established. Previously the boundaries between counties were often modified slightly when civil parishs were transferred between counties but this was different in that one of the tradational 32 counties was formally abolished (as per quote). It may not have made much difference to people's lives or what they consider their county identity (or even their postal address) and that is why it didn't bother people but it is what it is. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 09/02/2021 11:55:25 2330791 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Black+Blue , let's just say for argument sake that Dublin was split but still continue to win All Ireland's on a regular basis which you would have to conclude from the numbers you quote. Not much change in terms of effect in that case. What happens then ? Do you consider amalgamation of other counties or would you have a look at how the main competition is structured ? Personally, it seems like the easy answer is change Dublin but nothing else has to change. For me that's not really helping make things better for the vast majority of others." In fairness Dubh linn I have no doubt that even a split Dublin would win a few all irelands and maybe play in a few finals against each other. However that's immaterial. Posters on here might want to split Dublin to weaken them but the gaa s idea had nothing to do with that. It was to give more players the chance to play intercounty in Dublin. I hope it does nt happen for a long long time but the way the population is growing I would forecast it will happen in the future. My personal opinion is it would be wrong and take a full generation for people to buy into. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 09/02/2021 11:56:10 2330792 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Amalgamation of other (weaker) counties is part of the proposal which has been aired here.For example a team representing Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim,this to provide meaningful competitive teams competing in the AI football championship ONLY! There is a full lost of teams in the new proposed teams structure earlier in this thread which includes the four teams representing the Dublin area and also some stand alone teams.....16 teams which would provide us with a cracking competitive championship. It would be interesting to see a line out of teams representing amalgamated teams." If you have amalgamated sides at top tier then you are opening up to a full transfer system and is that what you want KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 09/02/2021 11:57:15 2330794 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Amalgamation of other (weaker) counties is part of the proposal which has been aired here.For example a team representing Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim,this to provide meaningful competitive teams competing in the AI football championship ONLY! There is a full lost of teams in the new proposed teams structure earlier in this thread which includes the four teams representing the Dublin area and also some stand alone teams.....16 teams which would provide us with a cracking competitive championship. It would be interesting to see a line out of teams representing amalgamated teams." Is there any sense of how that might go down with these other teams that are to be amalgamated as there doesn't seem to be much discussion or feedback on that. Might be good to hear how they feel about these proposals too. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 09/02/2021 11:59:00 2330796 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Black+Blue , let's just say for argument sake that Dublin was split but still continue to win All Ireland's on a regular basis which you would have to conclude from the numbers you quote. Not much change in terms of effect in that case. What happens then ? Do you consider amalgamation of other counties or would you have a look at how the main competition is structured ? Personally, it seems like the easy answer is change Dublin but nothing else has to change. For me that's not really helping make things better for the vast majority of others." Yea Dubhlinn I don't think that even splitting Dublin up into 4 separate parts would do much for mist Counties, especially the 10/12 lowest ranked ones... even though population alone won't bring success, those 4 " new Dublins" would still be bigger than 26/28 or so other counties and would therefore have some kind of advantage. Maybe Ondeditch is heading the right direction with this proposal for 16 regional teams/amalgamations .... the possible problem with that is logistics/geographical spread of players/getting support behind a new identity etc and it might be just too radical for most people at the moment. Maybe all our focus should be on improving the lowest 10/12 counties rather than the strongest few ?... surely if all teams had the possibility of the same length of a season/same amount of Championship games ( within reason ) for a start it would help those counties improve ? Rather than the same few counties always getting a season thats 2 months longer all the time, which might be extending that gap between them further ? As I said before I'm not really sure either of a solution.... maybe having Senior Championship, Intermediate and Junior would help ... think the Intermediate and Junior competitions would be very competitive and if there was good emphasis put on it and clear promotion possibility then it could be an answer to a similar length season for all..... Senior competition may be difficult as Im not sure if there are more than 3/4 teams at that level currently and would certainly be a struggle to find 10 or 12... maybe it's part of the answer Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 09/02/2021 12:22:41 2330800 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "I have read, have you not?. I even put quotes from the bill. I also at the time read accounts in the papers when this law went through the Dail. The tradational 32 counties were the counties that were set up by the British/ Norman's. Borough councils (Cork/ Dublin etc.) were sometimes present to manage cities inside these counties. County councils came well after when the counties were actually established. Previously the boundaries between counties were often modified slightly when civil parishs were transferred between counties but this was different in that one of the tradational 32 counties was formally abolished (as per quote). It may not have made much difference to people's lives or what they consider their county identity (or even their postal address) and that is why it didn't bother people but it is what it is." The "County Dublin" that was abolished in 1994 was the area covered by Dublin County Council which is not the traditional county of Dublin. It's pretty simple. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 09/02/2021 12:33:15 2330805 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "In fairness Dubh linn I have no doubt that even a split Dublin would win a few all irelands and maybe play in a few finals against each other. However that's immaterial. Posters on here might want to split Dublin to weaken them but the gaa s idea had nothing to do with that. It was to give more players the chance to play intercounty in Dublin. I hope it does nt happen for a long long time but the way the population is growing I would forecast it will happen in the future. My personal opinion is it would be wrong and take a full generation for people to buy into." I understand what your saying CiarraiMick. Giving other players a chance to play is one thing and while that would offer the opportunity for more players to represent a Dublin side it wouldn't really make any difference to players in other counties having a chance of winning an All Ireland. Apparently, as another poster mentioned there is also a proposal to amalgamate other counties but there is no real sense of what they might think of that idea either and very little feedback on this forum. Surely this would also reduce the amount of players in a County who would get to take part on an amalgamated side. By this I mean a panel would have to consist of a few players from each county as opposed to say three separate squads. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 09/02/2021 12:33:17 2330806 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "I understand what your saying CiarraiMick. Giving other players a chance to play is one thing and while that would offer the opportunity for more players to represent a Dublin side it wouldn't really make any difference to players in other counties having a chance of winning an All Ireland. Apparently, as another poster mentioned there is also a proposal to amalgamate other counties but there is no real sense of what they might think of that idea either and very little feedback on this forum. Surely this would also reduce the amount of players in a County who would get to take part on an amalgamated side. By this I mean a panel would have to consist of a few players from each county as opposed to say three separate squads." Exactly Dubh linn. I mean if Sligo and Leitrim amalgamated for example a few players from either county would lose out playing County football. For me the only way amalgamations would work is a bit like our club scene in Kerry. Counties play on their own in the league but amalgamate for championship. However if the get to the top division of the league then they play championship on there own again. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 09/02/2021 13:12:22 2330812 Link
Replying To catch22: "Inter county teams playing other inter county teams with far less or more population. Inter county teams playing other inter county teams in competitions where the other teams are far more focused on a different code. That all sounds grand Tommy sure why wouldn't you want that to continue. Sure tis great like !" Hi remember when you said Donegal would HAMMER Cavan in the Ulster final :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/02/2021 13:13:30 2330814 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Yes for sure Dublin has plenty of access to money and maybe you are right that because of that it's unfair on the majority of other counties so Yes maybe it's time to remove them from the championship. Also the other money teams have to go with them so we can have an inter pro competition with Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo Donegal Limerick Tyrone and the other 25 counties play for the all ireland." Mick you're being silly now, those other teams generate their own money they aren't handed the money of a province from the gaa and then you have the population issues. By the way I asked you a question a few weeks ago about how much money does kerry have? Yo never answered it but you always say we have loads.. So how much money have we? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/02/2021 13:20:19 2330817 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Mick you're being silly now, those other teams generate their own money they aren't handed the money of a province from the gaa and then you have the population issues. By the way I asked you a question a few weeks ago about how much money does kerry have? Yo never answered it but you always say we have loads.. So how much money have we?" More than most -:) Now stop being silly , your fooling nobody superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/02/2021 13:42:50 2330820 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hi remember when you said Donegal would HAMMER Cavan in the Ulster final :-)" Hi remember when you said Kerry would win the replay -:) superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/02/2021 13:44:13 2330821 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Mick you're being silly now, those other teams generate their own money they aren't handed the money of a province from the gaa and then you have the population issues. By the way I asked you a question a few weeks ago about how much money does kerry have? Yo never answered it but you always say we have loads.. So how much money have we?" Answer is I don't know the figure nor do I know Dublin's either However I do know that like Dublin we have a great sponser and generate big money from USA etc. Again as I've stated on numerous times No player from Dublin gets anything that a Kerry player does nt get. Alot of county players don't get what the wealthy counties get. Dublin players are looked after bug time with free gym membership massages physio treatment and a few get sponsered cars and the Kerry players get the exact same. Where the money comes from is irrelevant. The facts are we have plenty of it like Dublin. Hope we don't get split or have to share it out CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 09/02/2021 13:55:35 2330822 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "More than most -:) Now stop being silly , your fooling nobody" Are you Mick? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/02/2021 14:05:17 2330824 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Answer is I don't know the figure nor do I know Dublin's either However I do know that like Dublin we have a great sponser and generate big money from USA etc. Again as I've stated on numerous times No player from Dublin gets anything that a Kerry player does nt get. Alot of county players don't get what the wealthy counties get. Dublin players are looked after bug time with free gym membership massages physio treatment and a few get sponsered cars and the Kerry players get the exact same. Where the money comes from is irrelevant. The facts are we have plenty of it like Dublin. Hope we don't get split or have to share it out" So you don't know how much money we have in Kerry but you keep saying we have loads Mick that doesn't make sense. Also you say no player in dublin gets anymore than a player in Kerry but how about eternal home advantage? Do Kerry receive the money of a province from the gaa Mick? because dublin do. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/02/2021 14:15:44 2330825 Link