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Replying To CiarraiMick: "No I never heard. So we've only 31 counties now in the Island of Ireland." To me the idea of Splitting Dublin inti 2 or 4 it getting tiresome Kerry won 78,79,80,81 and I know Offaly wont agree but Kerry should have done the 5 in row and if they had done so who is to say that they woulden't have gone on to win 8 because after that four in a row they won three in a row 84,85,86 if they had got the 5 well they might also have won in 82&83. Would we have suggested splitting Kerry then ? or Kilkenny who won so much in the noughties. I think that Dublin would agree that they had some very close shaves against Kerry & Mayo on their way to the 6 in a row so things could have been very different. Kildare & especially Meath have large populations access to Wealth Training ect need to put own House in order you can only play 15 have a panel of 30. Personally as a GAA Person prefer to see money going into coaching in Dublin if you don't the Rugby & Soccer will clooney (Clare) - Posts: 887 - 08/02/2021 12:47:11 2330629 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "No I never heard. So we've only 31 counties now in the Island of Ireland." There are 32 'traditional' counties but technically speaking we actually have 34 counties now as County Dublin is the only one of the traditional counties to have been abolished in law but 3 non-traditional counties have been established in law since (Fingal/ DLRD and south Dublin). The reason why Dublin was abolished in law was that the county Dublin area was thought to cover too big of a population area for a county council to cover, funny enough the debates on here about inter county football teams are about a similar point, does the Dublin inter county team cover too big of a population area for an inter county team to cover. People on here often mention that it's no different now than before as Dublin always had a population advantage. This is partially true but ignores the fact that when the GAA was set up Dublin accounted for 8% of the island population where as now it is about 20% (this is a 2.5 times what was the case when the GAA was founded) bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 08/02/2021 12:52:06 2330630 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "There are 32 'traditional' counties but technically speaking we actually have 34 counties now as County Dublin is the only one of the traditional counties to have been abolished in law but 3 non-traditional counties have been established in law since (Fingal/ DLRD and south Dublin). The reason why Dublin was abolished in law was that the county Dublin area was thought to cover too big of a population area for a county council to cover, funny enough the debates on here about inter county football teams are about a similar point, does the Dublin inter county team cover too big of a population area for an inter county team to cover. People on here often mention that it's no different now than before as Dublin always had a population advantage. This is partially true but ignores the fact that when the GAA was set up Dublin accounted for 8% of the island population where as now it is about 20% (this is a 2.5 times what was the case when the GAA was founded)" Galway and Cork have separate Council's as well FYI. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/02/2021 13:54:27 2330639 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Galway and Cork have separate Council's as well FYI." But not separate county councils, Cork city or Galway city are not designated counties, they are cities. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 08/02/2021 13:58:02 2330641 Link
Replying To clooney: "To me the idea of Splitting Dublin inti 2 or 4 it getting tiresome Kerry won 78,79,80,81 and I know Offaly wont agree but Kerry should have done the 5 in row and if they had done so who is to say that they woulden't have gone on to win 8 because after that four in a row they won three in a row 84,85,86 if they had got the 5 well they might also have won in 82&83. Would we have suggested splitting Kerry then ? or Kilkenny who won so much in the noughties. I think that Dublin would agree that they had some very close shaves against Kerry & Mayo on their way to the 6 in a row so things could have been very different. Kildare & especially Meath have large populations access to Wealth Training ect need to put own House in order you can only play 15 have a panel of 30. Personally as a GAA Person prefer to see money going into coaching in Dublin if you don't the Rugby & Soccer will" Kerry and Kilkenny hadn't the population to keep it going past their once in a generation teams and played all their games on the road. The dublin province will keep winning the intercounty football championship untill theyre put into a railway Cup type comepetion where they can play other provincial teams that might be at their level. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/02/2021 14:17:28 2330645 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "No they might not have beaten Dublin but that's sport. When I last checked Dublin were a county." It's not sport when 1 team is given every advantage under the sun by the governing body mick. Could you imagine if UEFA or FIFA decided back in 2002 that there was a crisis in their associations because England hadn't got to a world Cup final in 30 odd years so they started pumping money into England and then England started winning World Cups and Euro finals what would the other countries be saying about it? Great sport altogether. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/02/2021 14:29:51 2330648 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "But not separate county councils, Cork city or Galway city are not designated counties, they are cities." They do have separate councils, Galway City and Galway County etc. I see little difference between that and South Dublin Council and Dublin City Council. So not really all 32 council then. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/02/2021 14:32:23 2330649 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Kerry and Kilkenny hadn't the population to keep it going past their once in a generation teams and played all their games on the road. The dublin province will keep winning the intercounty football championship untill theyre put into a railway Cup type comepetion where they can play other provincial teams that might be at their level." Happy days only 8 more years to knock Kerry off there perch -:) superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/02/2021 14:33:01 2330650 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "It's not sport when 1 team is given every advantage under the sun by the governing body mick. Could you imagine if UEFA or FIFA decided back in 2002 that there was a crisis in their associations because England hadn't got to a world Cup final in 30 odd years so they started pumping money into England and then England started winning World Cups and Euro finals what would the other countries be saying about it? Great sport altogether." Spórt is never fair. If it was there would be no need of refs umpires or video refs etc. Could you imagine a sport where there were 6 teams competing for the championship and there is an open draw but the top brass decide to keep the top two teams seperate every year so they can meet in the final and thus giving the othe teams very little hope (cos they might beat one of the big teams but not the two in the one year). How corrupt and unfair that would be! Oh wait it happened for years in the munster fc with Kerry and Cork to the detriment of the forgotten four. Imagine that! Did Kerry or Cork complain? Of course they did nt. Sure it was nt their fault. They did nt make the rules. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 08/02/2021 14:50:33 2330654 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Happy days only 8 more years to knock Kerry off there perch -:)" You ll have to wait a bit longer superblue as I ll have to challenge at least one of your all Irelands. In the early 20th century a Wicklow club team won the Dublin championship and represented Dublin in the all ireland. The record books say Dublin but it should be Wicklow so maybe 9 years. As Johnny Logan sang "what's another year". CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 08/02/2021 14:56:29 2330656 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "They do have separate councils, Galway City and Galway County etc. I see little difference between that and South Dublin Council and Dublin City Council. So not really all 32 council then." Except one is designated as a CITY and one is designated as a COUNTY (hence the different names on the councils) Anyway as I have said on a previous post on this thread, I know that the fact that Dublin technically is no longer a county (despite being one of the traditional 32 counties) doesn't necessarily prove that the GAA should not allow it to compete in the intercounty championship but will people stop saying stuff like 'last time I looked Dublin was a county' when technically this is not the case. The reason 3 counties were created out of the old Dublin county council area is kind of relevant to this debate as the new councils were set up as population of the old county Dublin had grown too much. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 08/02/2021 14:58:16 2330658 Link
Replying To clooney: "To me the idea of Splitting Dublin inti 2 or 4 it getting tiresome Kerry won 78,79,80,81 and I know Offaly wont agree but Kerry should have done the 5 in row and if they had done so who is to say that they woulden't have gone on to win 8 because after that four in a row they won three in a row 84,85,86 if they had got the 5 well they might also have won in 82&83. Would we have suggested splitting Kerry then ? or Kilkenny who won so much in the noughties. I think that Dublin would agree that they had some very close shaves against Kerry & Mayo on their way to the 6 in a row so things could have been very different. Kildare & especially Meath have large populations access to Wealth Training ect need to put own House in order you can only play 15 have a panel of 30. Personally as a GAA Person prefer to see money going into coaching in Dublin if you don't the Rugby & Soccer will" If the subject matter is too tiresome for you,ignore it or sleep it off,your analogies are not relative and not supportive of an alternate view and have already been dealt with here.You have come late to the party and I doubt if you read the whole thread,I know you are tired but that's no excuse for not being informed on the thread...lol! ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/02/2021 15:00:10 2330659 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "You ll have to wait a bit longer superblue as I ll have to challenge at least one of your all Irelands. In the early 20th century a Wicklow club team won the Dublin championship and represented Dublin in the all ireland. The record books say Dublin but it should be Wicklow so maybe 9 years. As Johnny Logan sang "what's another year"." Lol Mick , unfortunately ill be waiting a lot longer than 9 years -:) superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/02/2021 15:03:04 2330660 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Lol Mick , unfortunately ill be waiting a lot longer than 9 years -:)" I hope so Superblue lol CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 08/02/2021 15:06:34 2330661 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Spórt is never fair. If it was there would be no need of refs umpires or video refs etc. Could you imagine a sport where there were 6 teams competing for the championship and there is an open draw but the top brass decide to keep the top two teams seperate every year so they can meet in the final and thus giving the othe teams very little hope (cos they might beat one of the big teams but not the two in the one year). How corrupt and unfair that would be! Oh wait it happened for years in the munster fc with Kerry and Cork to the detriment of the forgotten four. Imagine that! Did Kerry or Cork complain? Of course they did nt. Sure it was nt their fault. They did nt make the rules." Perhaps the Munster Council could address this 'crisis ' by investing a massive amount of development money ( multiples of what the others are getting ) into Limerick or Waterford .... maybe then they would be allowed to join up with London to swell their population ( to multiples of what the other counties have ).... then they could allow them to play all of their Championship matches at home inc '" away matches "in the super 8s.... now THAT sounds a little unfair as a competition Mick !... lol Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 08/02/2021 15:07:42 2330663 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "Except one is designated as a CITY and one is designated as a COUNTY (hence the different names on the councils) Anyway as I have said on a previous post on this thread, I know that the fact that Dublin technically is no longer a county (despite being one of the traditional 32 counties) doesn't necessarily prove that the GAA should not allow it to compete in the intercounty championship but will people stop saying stuff like 'last time I looked Dublin was a county' when technically this is not the case. The reason 3 counties were created out of the old Dublin county council area is kind of relevant to this debate as the new councils were set up as population of the old county Dublin had grown too much." Dublin is a County -:) superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/02/2021 15:10:42 2330664 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "If the subject matter is too tiresome for you,ignore it or sleep it off,your analogies are not relative and not supportive of an alternate view and have already been dealt with here.You have come late to the party and I doubt if you read the whole thread,I know you are tired but that's no excuse for not being informed on the thread...lol!" Who the hell do you think you are to tell what i am to think or say I am perfectly entitled to my opinion same as anyone else "on the ditch" that's you definately arrogant bore never did nothing in GAA or anything. Who the hell made up an expert ?????? clooney (Clare) - Posts: 887 - 08/02/2021 15:18:53 2330665 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "If the subject matter is too tiresome for you,ignore it or sleep it off,your analogies are not relative and not supportive of an alternate view and have already been dealt with here.You have come late to the party and I doubt if you read the whole thread,I know you are tired but that's no excuse for not being informed on the thread...lol!" Mmeeeeoowwww! lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 08/02/2021 15:27:57 2330667 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Pure nonsense , Dublin is one County , one team , Dublin Gaa fans will never accept a split , it will never wear off EVER !!" So you believe another 90 players in Dublin should not be afforded the opportunity to play at elite representative level,that's a very selfish and self serving insular viewpoint,what about all those great club players in Dublin being prevented from developing their game further and playing on the big stage. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/02/2021 15:36:18 2330672 Link
Cork if you like would be the hurling equivalent of Dublin in football. They are one of what people refer to as one of the traditional strongholds. They have multiples in terms of population and clubs compared to the other main contenders for the Liam McCarthy cup. Cork are now into their 16th year without winning an All Ireland. If you are purely trying to make a case for splitting a county based on population and fairness to those less populated counties then by extension you should split Cork. I don't think that is likely to happen any time soon though and I don't think anyone would suggest it should. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 08/02/2021 15:39:27 2330673 Link