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Replying To TheUsername: "Right so you make the point, young lads won't play football because of Dublin, but really it's the opportunity to play a different sport at a high level - that's the same in every county, thanks for clearing that up and actually nothing to do with Dublin.
Also you say Antrim lads struggle to commit to a years football, is that really to do Dublin but really it's a chance of any limited success. Your initial post is indemic of the Dublin prosecution - anything wrong in any county is down to Dublin, what's going on or not going on in Antrim, i don't know how you can link it to Dublin, no Antrim player is ever likely to play Dublin, let's be honest lads are unlikely to compete because there is little chance for the footballers competing provincially. You complain about resources is that not hypocritical given what the GAA are trying to do with Gaelfest say compared to Fermanagh, I was delighted when I heard about that and the 40 mill investment in Casement, how much resources are enough to be "fair". There may be issues in Antrim in terms of lads committing but it's a hit and hope leaving them at Dublins door.
Your also wrong, I've seen Dublin knocked out in the first round of the championship, get early summers in a lot of summers, get tanked by better teams, year in, year out went through that plugging away for 16 years - so won't apologise for our success nor will I stop enjoying it, we went through relative unsuccessful years keeping her lit strongly as a county with the team, that's something I'm really proud off, do I see replicated anywhere else, no I don't, only Mayo. Despite what going on with Dublin the fans will be there, more so maybe even if we are bad. I didn't say a trip Dublin I meant gates holistically, which of course is expensive for anyone and I'd understand that, but what's a first round of the championship attendance these days compared to 09 or even 10 for Antrim - were have all the crowd gone - I'm sure Dublin may have a hand in it somehow, somewhere.
I don't have an axe to Antrim, but some of the stuff written here about young lads not committing to ball in Antrim because of Dublin is off the wall and yeah I do question lads not going to games and then coming back during times of relative success, any game not just in Dublin and the cost that comes with it, but first round champo games and the like going well or getting tanked we have plenty of them ourselves, nothing drives me madder then the event junkie fans that turn up at All Ireland finals and don't have a clue what's going on, taking 5ickets from people you'd see in Healy Park in Jan in a hurricane of Breffni in a dead rubber." On your last paragraph Username I could nt agree more. It's frustrating actually sickening hearing people at all ireland finals saying it's their first game all year. They come out of the woodwork for the finals denying the true supporters tickets.
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The GAA doesnt run on nothing and money has to be a major concern. GAA needs major income from games, successful teams or clubs will cease to exist.
The problem ultimately with splitting Dublin is you will then have to look at other counties and make splits and mergers in many other parts of the country to make things fair and that isnt the answer." What I mean within an amateur organization like the GAA it should be easier to have a level playing field manifest with regard to finance in comparison to the likes of the rich clubs in the Premiership.Of course finance is required,I haven't been living in a fridge for my lifetime....lol!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 05/02/2021 21:14:13
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Replying To TheUsername: "Right so you make the point, young lads won't play football because of Dublin, but really it's the opportunity to play a different sport at a high level - that's the same in every county, thanks for clearing that up and actually nothing to do with Dublin.
Also you say Antrim lads struggle to commit to a years football, is that really to do Dublin but really it's a chance of any limited success. Your initial post is indemic of the Dublin prosecution - anything wrong in any county is down to Dublin, what's going on or not going on in Antrim, i don't know how you can link it to Dublin, no Antrim player is ever likely to play Dublin, let's be honest lads are unlikely to compete because there is little chance for the footballers competing provincially. You complain about resources is that not hypocritical given what the GAA are trying to do with Gaelfest say compared to Fermanagh, I was delighted when I heard about that and the 40 mill investment in Casement, how much resources are enough to be "fair". There may be issues in Antrim in terms of lads committing but it's a hit and hope leaving them at Dublins door.
Your also wrong, I've seen Dublin knocked out in the first round of the championship, get early summers in a lot of summers, get tanked by better teams, year in, year out went through that plugging away for 16 years - so won't apologise for our success nor will I stop enjoying it, we went through relative unsuccessful years keeping her lit strongly as a county with the team, that's something I'm really proud off, do I see replicated anywhere else, no I don't, only Mayo. Despite what going on with Dublin the fans will be there, more so maybe even if we are bad. I didn't say a trip Dublin I meant gates holistically, which of course is expensive for anyone and I'd understand that, but what's a first round of the championship attendance these days compared to 09 or even 10 for Antrim - were have all the crowd gone - I'm sure Dublin may have a hand in it somehow, somewhere.
I don't have an axe to Antrim, but some of the stuff written here about young lads not committing to ball in Antrim because of Dublin is off the wall and yeah I do question lads not going to games and then coming back during times of relative success, any game not just in Dublin and the cost that comes with it, but first round champo games and the like going well or getting tanked we have plenty of them ourselves, nothing drives me madder then the event junkie fans that turn up at All Ireland finals and don't have a clue what's going on, taking 5ickets from people you'd see in Healy Park in Jan in a hurricane of Breffni in a dead rubber." What a nonsense post. I start by keeping it real about reasons lads don't commit. Something I still think you haven't grasped. You go on the defensive about it being Dublin's 'fault' when I never blamed them I just highlighted the lack of competitiveness was an issue for gates and realistic ambitions. Its almost like you've took every point I made about the struggling county (I used my own as an example) and tied it as anti Dublin rhetoric. I can see why many on here get frustrated when trying to reason with certain posters from your county.
My point about the Dublin 'dark years' were that they started even the worst of eras as genuine contenders every year. I'm well aware they've been knocked out early, I did say they took a tanking or two. But if that's the worst you've had to contend with then my point still stands, you haven't a clue what its like to ask yourself is it worth a journey to watch a struggling side. Your hurling team doesn't get a packed Croker, whys that if Dublin fans follow no matter what?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 05/02/2021 21:36:30
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The point is that young lads will not take up a sport where they cannot be competitive and aspire to being successful at the highest level,it can be seen all the time at adult level with very good and sometimes excellent players not committing to the county team to be just fodder in the competition and its hard to blame them.Should the competition be made more fair and even,could it be made that way,how could it be made fair and even with all teams having realistic aspirations for success.I believe it can be done and with the twin pronged approach regarding team structure.
Dublin is readymade for a four way split with the four counties already in place.Admittedly one of those counties has a deficit in club numbers.This just illustrates the failure in gaa penetration in DLRD.It also highlights that the Superclubs is certainly not the way to go.
Amalgamation of weaker teams for the AI championship ONLY is the other arm of the structure change required.That way counties will retain their identity and club championships.
Additionally there will be tiered competitions involving all teams including the four Dublin county teams.
Its staring us all in the face that Dublin will have to be split,I know some posters from the traditionally strong football counties are against splitting Dublin because they want to beat the Dublin Goliath in the AI final...even if its only every few decades or so.
I just wonder when will it be done,it could be another ten years before the GAA trundle to the inevitable.
There is the makings of a fantastic AI Championship there if the nettle is grasped.
We could have two Dublin teams in the final sometimes as posters have pointed out and I don't see that as a negative,it would be a tremendous happening for our Capital City......something to rival the Superbowl..lol!
I am convinced it has to progress to this,without change and progress we would still be in the stone age,progress will always be at the fore and its the same with the GAA...….albeit very very slowly.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 05/02/2021 22:16:30
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Replying To SaffronDon: "What a nonsense post. I start by keeping it real about reasons lads don't commit. Something I still think you haven't grasped. You go on the defensive about it being Dublin's 'fault' when I never blamed them I just highlighted the lack of competitiveness was an issue for gates and realistic ambitions. Its almost like you've took every point I made about the struggling county (I used my own as an example) and tied it as anti Dublin rhetoric. I can see why many on here get frustrated when trying to reason with certain posters from your county.
My point about the Dublin 'dark years' were that they started even the worst of eras as genuine contenders every year. I'm well aware they've been knocked out early, I did say they took a tanking or two. But if that's the worst you've had to contend with then my point still stands, you haven't a clue what its like to ask yourself is it worth a journey to watch a struggling side. Your hurling team doesn't get a packed Croker, whys that if Dublin fans follow no matter what?" I've no interest in trading insults personally or indeed about "posters from your county",with you, regardless of what we both likely feel is a lack of quality in each other's posting.
You said "That a one team championship was stopping participation rates" - you then used your experience of coaching juveniles in Antrim, that inferred Dublin ( the one team)are an issue on participation rates amongst juveniles in Antrim". I think it's very fair for that to be challenged, there may be many obstacles gaels in Antrim will face in encouraging juveniles to games - you listed some yourself in your next post, but inferring Dublin were an issue, is frankly unfair. Stick to the point you made if you believe it.
On Dublin starting as relative favourites every year in recent history before this period of success.I don't think that's the case, experientially having lived through it the only year i thought we had a realistic shot was 02. During that 16 years between 95-11 wait for an AI, we waited a further 12 before 83- 95. We went from 95-02 without a provincial. Still keeping her lit, packing the place out mostly. Travel to Dublin i would accept, but a popular misconception is that Dubs going to the games don't get, tickets, food, beer or transport free either, bringing family and a scatter of kids - granted we might not need a full tank of petrol and the train fare is cheaper, but Ireland's not exactly the size of Russia. I've been up and down to Belfast loads, it's fairly handy run, to be honest somewhere like Donegal, Kerry, North Mayo and West Cork are infinitely and acceptably horrible runs.
I dont buy the poor and rich thing, successful and unsuccessful thing, football is a broad spectrum, you might be successful at county, seen a five in a row, but might also be part of a junior club being smashed most weeks. We all have experienced of ups and downs, it's part of the hook that keeps us all going, that hope, you can let it beat you down to not going or use it to be optimistic that better days could be ahead.
I actually don't disagree with you on Hurling I'd love to see the majority of the football crowd head to more Hurling games, I think we've superbly talented hurlers but they have a mental block when games are in the melting pot, the Dublin crowd would be a huge enabling factors. But do you know what a guilty pleasure of mine is watching the hurlers or a club ga,e with a small crowd out in the Neller, it can be a nice change of pace from a heaving a Croker. If I'm thinking of reasons why, I think it's down to Hefo and the magic he created in the 70s, a bond was born then between the people of Dublin and Dublin Senior footballers, it's hard to describe, even though we had a fair few All Ireland's before that. I'm hopeful on the hurling though, in 10-20 years time I expect it to Sky rocket in success and interest, you see as many kids up here now playing hurling as well as football.
I'm sure the problems Antrim faces on football participating Vs hurling. Is the same Dublin face on hurling Vs football.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/02/2021 22:30:30
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "On your last paragraph Username I could nt agree more. It's frustrating actually sickening hearing people at all ireland finals saying it's their first game all year. They come out of the woodwork for the finals denying the true supporters tickets." One of our "own" Mick and I use that phrase lightly, on the train to the first final in 19, not a color in sight, on the phone to his pal about what pub they were meeting in and which stand was the Cusack stand and how they'd get there. I met up with some of the gang in Drumcondra - still not sorted for tickets, who we were down in Tralee with behind the goal in the middle of winter - thankfully everyone got sorted. That type of thing drives me bananas.
I never like that about finals, even during the game, often find the atmosphere in the semi much better.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/02/2021 22:38:39
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superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/02/2021 00:03:08
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "There is no gaurentee that we'd dominate the football championship if we were in a dublinless competition,
Sure we'd win some but so would Tyrone Donegal Cavan Galway Cork Armagh and Mayo the leinster teams would probably grow to challenge for allirelands within a few years as well.
But at least we'd probably have a different winner every year probably even different teams in the final.
It would be for the best and for the good of the sport if Ulster Connacht Munster and a sellect few leinster teams broke away the championship." Probably have a different winner every year -:) 81 Munsters 37 All Irelands . Jesus Wept , It would be for the good
For Kerry , Cute Kerry Hoorism !!
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/02/2021 00:11:14
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Replying To KillingFields: "Would the other Leinster sides?
Theyre still not competing in division 1 of the league for most part
Dublin cant be split unless you are to split and merge other counties.
The main thing the championship needs is a better format where the best play the best far more often. Then Dublin wouldnt win near as much as theyd be challenged far more often" 100% killing fields
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/02/2021 00:14:12
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Replying To superbluedub: "Probably have a different winner every year -:) 81 Munsters 37 All Irelands . Jesus Wept , It would be for the good
For Kerry , Cute Kerry Hoorism !!" From 1990 to to 2015 there was only 1 back to back allireland in 06/07. So yes it's safe to say there would be different winners every year.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/02/2021 09:57:28
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Replying To TheUsername: "I've no interest in trading insults personally or indeed about "posters from your county",with you, regardless of what we both likely feel is a lack of quality in each other's posting.
You said "That a one team championship was stopping participation rates" - you then used your experience of coaching juveniles in Antrim, that inferred Dublin ( the one team)are an issue on participation rates amongst juveniles in Antrim". I think it's very fair for that to be challenged, there may be many obstacles gaels in Antrim will face in encouraging juveniles to games - you listed some yourself in your next post, but inferring Dublin were an issue, is frankly unfair. Stick to the point you made if you believe it.
On Dublin starting as relative favourites every year in recent history before this period of success.I don't think that's the case, experientially having lived through it the only year i thought we had a realistic shot was 02. During that 16 years between 95-11 wait for an AI, we waited a further 12 before 83- 95. We went from 95-02 without a provincial. Still keeping her lit, packing the place out mostly. Travel to Dublin i would accept, but a popular misconception is that Dubs going to the games don't get, tickets, food, beer or transport free either, bringing family and a scatter of kids - granted we might not need a full tank of petrol and the train fare is cheaper, but Ireland's not exactly the size of Russia. I've been up and down to Belfast loads, it's fairly handy run, to be honest somewhere like Donegal, Kerry, North Mayo and West Cork are infinitely and acceptably horrible runs.
I dont buy the poor and rich thing, successful and unsuccessful thing, football is a broad spectrum, you might be successful at county, seen a five in a row, but might also be part of a junior club being smashed most weeks. We all have experienced of ups and downs, it's part of the hook that keeps us all going, that hope, you can let it beat you down to not going or use it to be optimistic that better days could be ahead.
I actually don't disagree with you on Hurling I'd love to see the majority of the football crowd head to more Hurling games, I think we've superbly talented hurlers but they have a mental block when games are in the melting pot, the Dublin crowd would be a huge enabling factors. But do you know what a guilty pleasure of mine is watching the hurlers or a club ga,e with a small crowd out in the Neller, it can be a nice change of pace from a heaving a Croker. If I'm thinking of reasons why, I think it's down to Hefo and the magic he created in the 70s, a bond was born then between the people of Dublin and Dublin Senior footballers, it's hard to describe, even though we had a fair few All Ireland's before that. I'm hopeful on the hurling though, in 10-20 years time I expect it to Sky rocket in success and interest, you see as many kids up here now playing hurling as well as football.
I'm sure the problems Antrim faces on football participating Vs hurling. Is the same Dublin face on hurling Vs football." Dublins dominance has arguably made the championship less exciting these last few years but I doubt it has stopped any young lad taking up the game in other counties.
I mentioned this on the intercounty player transfer thread, in my opinion there are (and have always been) young footballers and especially hurlers in loads of counties who grow up knowing that no matter how good they are they'll never win the big prizes or even compete in the main tournaments. Pretty much every other sport on earth allows the best to rise to the top. Because of tradition, the gaa forbids it. You could be shefflin and canning rolled into one,, but if you're born in mayo? Tough, get used to obscurity.
If this doesn't change I feel that it will always be difficult for the gaa to gain new footholds, regardless of whose winning all Irelands at a given time.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 06/02/2021 14:31:47
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Replying To TheUsername: "One of our "own" Mick and I use that phrase lightly, on the train to the first final in 19, not a color in sight, on the phone to his pal about what pub they were meeting in and which stand was the Cusack stand and how they'd get there. I met up with some of the gang in Drumcondra - still not sorted for tickets, who we were down in Tralee with behind the goal in the middle of winter - thankfully everyone got sorted. That type of thing drives me bananas.
I never like that about finals, even during the game, often find the atmosphere in the semi much better." So true. In a semi final most people there cos they are interested either as team fans or interested neutrals. Finals can have the hanger ons and the brigade that would nt know the difference between a football and a rugby ball.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 06/02/2021 14:39:35
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "There is no gaurentee that we'd dominate the football championship if we were in a dublinless competition,
Sure we'd win some but so would Tyrone Donegal Cavan Galway Cork Armagh and Mayo the leinster teams would probably grow to challenge for allirelands within a few years as well.
But at least we'd probably have a different winner every year probably even different teams in the final.
It would be for the best and for the good of the sport if Ulster Connacht Munster and a sellect few leinster teams broke away the championship." As it would be a Dublin less championship would there be an * making these wins?
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 06/02/2021 14:56:27
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Replying To TheUsername: "I've no interest in trading insults personally or indeed about "posters from your county",with you, regardless of what we both likely feel is a lack of quality in each other's posting.
You said "That a one team championship was stopping participation rates" - you then used your experience of coaching juveniles in Antrim, that inferred Dublin ( the one team)are an issue on participation rates amongst juveniles in Antrim". I think it's very fair for that to be challenged, there may be many obstacles gaels in Antrim will face in encouraging juveniles to games - you listed some yourself in your next post, but inferring Dublin were an issue, is frankly unfair. Stick to the point you made if you believe it.
On Dublin starting as relative favourites every year in recent history before this period of success.I don't think that's the case, experientially having lived through it the only year i thought we had a realistic shot was 02. During that 16 years between 95-11 wait for an AI, we waited a further 12 before 83- 95. We went from 95-02 without a provincial. Still keeping her lit, packing the place out mostly. Travel to Dublin i would accept, but a popular misconception is that Dubs going to the games don't get, tickets, food, beer or transport free either, bringing family and a scatter of kids - granted we might not need a full tank of petrol and the train fare is cheaper, but Ireland's not exactly the size of Russia. I've been up and down to Belfast loads, it's fairly handy run, to be honest somewhere like Donegal, Kerry, North Mayo and West Cork are infinitely and acceptably horrible runs.
I dont buy the poor and rich thing, successful and unsuccessful thing, football is a broad spectrum, you might be successful at county, seen a five in a row, but might also be part of a junior club being smashed most weeks. We all have experienced of ups and downs, it's part of the hook that keeps us all going, that hope, you can let it beat you down to not going or use it to be optimistic that better days could be ahead.
I actually don't disagree with you on Hurling I'd love to see the majority of the football crowd head to more Hurling games, I think we've superbly talented hurlers but they have a mental block when games are in the melting pot, the Dublin crowd would be a huge enabling factors. But do you know what a guilty pleasure of mine is watching the hurlers or a club ga,e with a small crowd out in the Neller, it can be a nice change of pace from a heaving a Croker. If I'm thinking of reasons why, I think it's down to Hefo and the magic he created in the 70s, a bond was born then between the people of Dublin and Dublin Senior footballers, it's hard to describe, even though we had a fair few All Ireland's before that. I'm hopeful on the hurling though, in 10-20 years time I expect it to Sky rocket in success and interest, you see as many kids up here now playing hurling as well as football.
I'm sure the problems Antrim faces on football participating Vs hurling. Is the same Dublin face on hurling Vs football." OK back to the start then. You said Dublin and Mayo are the only counties that could fill Croker. I said this is an unfair comment. Id say most if not all could fill it in the right circumstances. You went down the road of calling that glory hunting. While at the same time made allowances for your county's lesser gate numbers in hurling being down to a 'mental block' in big matches and the glory of Heffo for the footballers having the strong connection, I can only assume you don't consider all that glory hunting like all the other counties then?
My point about participation was maybe not explained in the right order. But it is chalk and cheese to compare the choices a young lad in Dublin has with a young lad in Antrim. I've seen young teams from Antrim win back to back Feile's in both codes beating lads from all the dominating counties. The problem after underage is, where is the blueprint for success at county level? Who do they look to for example? Most lads either stick with their club who have more chance of success or they turn to another sport which doesn't put a cap on their possibilities.
In my opinion, Dublin have the biggest support for several reasons. Population, location of matches, success, history and potential. You are in a very privileged position to be able to stroll around the corner every year to watch your county compete for AI's. I think you underestimate how much this would mean for so many others. Look at the hysteria in Ulster when Armagh and Tyrone broke through. Fans filled stadiums everywhere. They even had to move Ulster finals to Croker just to keep up with the demand for tickets. But the truth is, in the current set up nobody outside Dublin (possibly Kerry and Mayo the exception) think they can achieve anything beyond provincial silverware. Regardless what you feel about the travel, the journey isn't all that much craic if your going there to watch a mismatch, unless of course your supporting the team dishing it out.
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KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/02/2021 16:04:29
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Replying To SaffronDon: "OK back to the start then. You said Dublin and Mayo are the only counties that could fill Croker. I said this is an unfair comment. Id say most if not all could fill it in the right circumstances. You went down the road of calling that glory hunting. While at the same time made allowances for your county's lesser gate numbers in hurling being down to a 'mental block' in big matches and the glory of Heffo for the footballers having the strong connection, I can only assume you don't consider all that glory hunting like all the other counties then?
My point about participation was maybe not explained in the right order. But it is chalk and cheese to compare the choices a young lad in Dublin has with a young lad in Antrim. I've seen young teams from Antrim win back to back Feile's in both codes beating lads from all the dominating counties. The problem after underage is, where is the blueprint for success at county level? Who do they look to for example? Most lads either stick with their club who have more chance of success or they turn to another sport which doesn't put a cap on their possibilities.
In my opinion, Dublin have the biggest support for several reasons. Population, location of matches, success, history and potential. You are in a very privileged position to be able to stroll around the corner every year to watch your county compete for AI's. I think you underestimate how much this would mean for so many others. Look at the hysteria in Ulster when Armagh and Tyrone broke through. Fans filled stadiums everywhere. They even had to move Ulster finals to Croker just to keep up with the demand for tickets. But the truth is, in the current set up nobody outside Dublin (possibly Kerry and Mayo the exception) think they can achieve anything beyond provincial silverware. Regardless what you feel about the travel, the journey isn't all that much craic if your going there to watch a mismatch, unless of course your supporting the team dishing it out." Perhaps it's best to say we will agree to disagree on the vast majority of points we've both raised, as I think we do, before semantics of what we've said, replace constructive debate about football. All good that's what this is place for.
Best of luck to you and to Antrim in the times ahead, I'm really hoping the investment in Gaelfest makes a bite in what sounds like a challenge for young lads participating and the opportunity to play in what looks a fantastic ground planned for Casement (hopefully), proves another carrot to aid the challenges.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/02/2021 16:20:15
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I mentioned this on the intercounty player transfer thread, in my opinion there are (and have always been) young footballers and especially hurlers in loads of counties who grow up knowing that no matter how good they are they'll never win the big prizes or even compete in the main tournaments. Pretty much every other sport on earth allows the best to rise to the top. Because of tradition, the gaa forbids it. You could be shefflin and canning rolled into one,, but if you're born in mayo? Tough, get used to obscurity.
If this doesn't change I feel that it will always be difficult for the gaa to gain new footholds, regardless of whose winning all Irelands at a given time." It's a point I haven't considered, but a fair one. But I suppose it can be a geographical lottery.
It's a great point - you often hear words like fairness bandied about - but there is a bit of a geographical lottery for players to achieve within existing county structures.
One of the best players I ever saw was Matty Forde, he had relative success with Wexford, but if he played for say Kerry or Dublin, you can imagine he probably would have won an awful lot moreover maybe selfishly we would have seen an awful lot more or him and he had ,ore opportunity to prove his greatness. Declan Browne also springs to mind.
Maybe the lads if asked though wouldn't change a thing, but did the GAA offer them the opportunity to achieve all their talent could have, it's an interesting point certainly and does underline the geographical lottery with success in current structures.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/02/2021 16:27:51
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Replying To TheUsername: "It's a point I haven't considered, but a fair one. But I suppose it can be a geographical lottery.
It's a great point - you often hear words like fairness bandied about - but there is a bit of a geographical lottery for players to achieve within existing county structures.
One of the best players I ever saw was Matty Forde, he had relative success with Wexford, but if he played for say Kerry or Dublin, you can imagine he probably would have won an awful lot moreover maybe selfishly we would have seen an awful lot more or him and he had ,ore opportunity to prove his greatness. Declan Browne also springs to mind.
Maybe the lads if asked though wouldn't change a thing, but did the GAA offer them the opportunity to achieve all their talent could have, it's an interesting point certainly and does underline the geographical lottery with success in current structures." Geography,Team Structures,Population and Playing Population are critical elements to formatting a competitive County team,if you have all these elements and the financial back up and coaching you have a huge chance of being successful.Not many counties have all those elements though.
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Replying To TheUsername: "I think there is a logical argument there in decades to come for a split, key figure for me is participation rates at adult senior. They are at a level now we're they are the highest in the country but only marginally. Dublins population to participation ratio is probably the worst in the country, which makes you wonder why or the need to follow "the Dublin model" or even success. If Dublin had 100k adult footballers to pick from I think that would be unfair, I could understand the logic of the argue meant for a split then.
Is it there now? Not for me and that based on participation numbers. Would I accept a split? Very biasedly, no never. There in lies the problem for the GAA, splitting Dublin in akin to to just taking the County of Dublin out of the intercounty game and killing GAA stone dead. Split teams would be boycotted, those participating vilified, I'd actively protest, there just would be no Dublin, I'd actually prefer to see Dublin pull out of the GAA do their own thing, rent the Aviva and have cracking matches Dublin A Vs B or a club blitz over the summer, that would get huge support amongst the natives in solidarity, think the DCB would hold its own financially. Who knows might even the genius of a breakaway from the GAA going forward like the PL and FA all those years ago. Ultimately I think the impact would lead to a reunification. But hey on the bright side maybe we might have a decent soccer and rugby team for a few years with lads choosing those sports in the capital.
I think all that is before you look at the financial impact for the GAA, Dublin holds its own in commercial revenue and sponsorship as we know. But there is a secondary revenue for the GAA look around Croke Park, Supervalue, BoyleSports, Centra, Eir, Bord Gais, Electric Ireland, AIB, how many of these of counties want to be involved with an organisation vilified in the country's biggest market. Eir show nothing only Dublin league games, Sky Sports always pick the Dublin game, good luck with TV deals. Premium seating and Corporate boxes are Croke parks biggest revenue generator, all sold with the knowledge the Dubs are in the ticket, I hear many say gates are falling and will hit the GAA in the pocket, revenue is going up and up year after year pre COVID, the gate these days is a small slice of the pie. Then thinking of the gate, there are only a couple of counties who can fill Croker or 75% outside a final, us and Mayo really.
So ultimately I think we might have question to answer around a split not at the moment, but in decades to come if adult partition rates continue to swell logically. It will never be accepted, in fact vilified. I hear people saying it will take a few generations to bite. I don't think so kids won't be brought down the club, they will be sent down to Rugby and soccer who will welcome them with open arms. There will be no culture or tradition of GAA in the county and on one in the county will identify with the GAA, like it was but for all but a very few pre Heffo.
The GAA might hit and hope but overall I think they would regret ever trying a split." That's a real Dublin says NO answer.
If I can't have a sport where my team is garanteed to win most of their games most of the time then I off.
It is ridiculous to state that splitting Dublin in GAA would cause people to go and follow other sports where there is no combined Dublin team is frankly ridiculous.
You might get a Dublin rugby team in a few years though if your lucky.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 07/02/2021 10:17:03
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "That's a real Dublin says NO answer.
If I can't have a sport where my team is garanteed to win most of their games most of the time then I off.
It is ridiculous to state that splitting Dublin in GAA would cause people to go and follow other sports where there is no combined Dublin team is frankly ridiculous.
You might get a Dublin rugby team in a few years though if your lucky." Well seeing as you garanteed it! ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/02/2021 11:57:27
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