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You'd nó a lot about poor efforts I'd say :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/02/2021 16:25:36 2330134 Link 0 |
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I think, presuming current trends continue (I mean the increasing popularity of the GAA in Dublin allied to the huge population) a split is inevitable, more of a question as to when it will happen. Dublin might be the cash cow now, if inter county competition becomes meaningless they will kill all the cash coming in to the inter county game.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 02/02/2021 18:09:18 2330151 Link 2 |
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Agreed,if/ when the crowds fall off even more the Dublin sponsors will put their money somewhere else,its foolhardy thinking Dublin will continue to attract major financial sponsorship with a dead duck competition continuing as it is,the hard nosed marketing people will put their money elsewhere,they have no allegiance to Dublin or the game.I hope it doesn't continue to drift downwards much more before corrective action is taken but already the AI competition is on life support. It amazes me that there are still fans that want the status quo to continue....none so blind..etc. etc! Splitting Dublin and offering Amalgamated teams in the AI competition only, initially,would give us a realistic and fair and competitive structure,it should be inevitable for those of us that want a good fair and competitive AI competition. And yes as I said before its well past the time when the FOOT should be brought back into football,it certainly doesn't meet the trade description requirements as its presently played.With change, and people should not be afraid of change,the AI football competition can be a fabulous competition with the emphasis on competition and fairness and equality of opportunity for all players. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 02/02/2021 19:11:43 2330160 Link 3 |
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I dont think Dublin should be split but unless substantial resources are devoted to many other counties especially Leinster counties on dublins commuter belt get funding in levels similar to what Dublins been getting for the past decade and more then a split is inevitable. There is poor structures but when will people change this? Get rid of pre season leagues and cups certainly on a provincial basis. Have provincial competitions stand alone and get the best playing the best far more than they do in the current system then we will have a better competition KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 02/02/2021 19:11:45 2330161 Link 0 |
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I read the Irish Times piece (surprised I did not need a subscription to read it). It is an interesting piece, in fairness the Leinster council now seem to be focusing more on trying to spread the Dublin model. Hopefully the counties can try to get more public monies too. I don't like showing my ignorance but I didn't realise before seeing this article that there was a difference between the roles of Games Development Administrator (GDA) & Games Promotions Officer (GPO) when seeing them mentioned in posts, I used to use them interchangeable. Am I right in saying a GDA take a more managerial role in organising clubs youth development and GPO take a more hands on role with club underage trainers/ players and may go into schools?(is there any other abbreviations for other similar roles?). bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 02/02/2021 19:25:00 2330163 Link 0 |
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Smaller counties dont want to merge, dubs dont want to be split. County boundaries want to be kept but a more even playing field needs to be set so why not allow weaker teams to have extra players or stronger teams have less, do it compared to the previous seasons rankings and have teams handicapped, much like the nfl or aussie rules draft system the more successful u are one yr u get hampered the next. Then everyone is happy for a small change. TheDubz10 (Dublin) - Posts: 3 - 02/02/2021 20:51:37 2330172 Link 1 |
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why not enter these teams along with dublin first and see how they get on? it doesnt need to be an all or nothing thing. let them into div 4 of the league,it would make things very intersting. in time dublin as a county could be disbanded. its amazing what PR companies could do with this. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 687 - 02/02/2021 21:48:22 2330178 Link 0 |
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County Games Development Managers (GDMs) are the main Games Development operative at county level and in conjunction with the County Games Development Committee, has responsibility for implementing the Grassroots to National Programme within the County. He/she reports to the Provincial Games Development Manager. Games Development Administrators (GDAs) are responsible for the implementation of Games Development Policy in a Division of a county or for a particular Code. He/she reports to the County Games Development Manager. Games Promotion Officers (GPOs) are responsible for the implementation of a specific number of Games Development projects. He/she reports to the County Games Development Manager. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/02/2021 22:39:08 2330190 Link 6 |
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Eh nothanks
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 03/02/2021 00:12:52 2330195 Link 0 |
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The reality is the GAA is supposed to be about the promotion of games. The current structure (particularly in Dublin) prevent that. Based on this post- DLSD should have its funding maintained and be given help to develop as it's likely (and I have no clue about this) to suffer because the other areas of the county have more players and more votes at county board level. Similarly, at provincial level, the Leitrims, Carlows, Antrim's don't really championship matches at home and get less funding that the Mayos, Kildares and Donegal's. The GAA already has the perfect model to use whorls meet its twin goals of increasing participation and games promotion. The system is in place in the most successful county in football and is the real source of their success. What is it? The Kerry club and county championship. To mirror this at county level allows the GAA to spilt existing counties into sub sections and focus spending on those areas, while still allowing the high performing areas compete at the highest level, while all the time ensuring the best players get to compete at the highest level. This ensuring optimum games promotion. The current units can then opt in or out if they take the No No No Never Never Never attitude. 4 units in Dublin - additional funding to DLSD for football- all other funding for hurling only 2 units in Galway, Cork - City and County You get the picture In total, 31 counties and 9 cities (4 Dublin, Galway, Cork, Belfast, Limerick and London) They all play in a graded inter county competition (no provincial championship or leagues) Then the best players play for Sam Maguire in the following 16 team competition: Top 8 counties - Kerry, Fingal, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Galway County, Monaghan, Meath Regional teams as follows: SE Munster - cork county, Cork city, Waterford NW Munster - Clare, Limerick, Tipp, Limerick City Connacht - Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim, East Ulster - Antrim, Down, Armagh West Ulster - Derry, Fermanagh, Cavan Dublin - City, DLRD, South Dublin North Leinster - Louth, Westmeath, Kildare, Offaly South Leinster - Laois, Carlow, Wexford, Wicklow, Kilkenny Modified version of the system could apply in hurling Top 8 counties - Cork County, Limerick County, Galway County, Kilkenny, Clare, Tipp, Wexford, Waterford Regional teams as follows: Munster - Limerick and Cork Cities plus Kerry - Might not be feasible Connacht Ulster Dublin North Leinster - Louth, Westmeath, Kildare, Meath South Leinster - Laois, Carlow, Offaly, Wicklow, championships run with a 3/4 team group stage followed by knockout/relegation playoff Gives all single units 4 games minimum in the inter county competition and 4 games in Sam Maguire/MacCarthy cup competitions Winners of the Double would have 12 matches. Formats could be increased to increase games if necessary tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 03/02/2021 04:46:27 2330196 Link 2 |
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Its an interesting proposal in principle,I don't believe Monaghan could sustain a single team unit at the top level in the long term,they have been performing above their weight for a long time I know. This is another way of addressing the unbalance that exists in the AI Championship.Surely it cannot remain as it is presently.I'm pretty sure the GAA will address the matter but probably only tinker at the edges with finance and coaches,there would be too much fear of anything radical. The current proposal regarding how the AI championship is played will do nothing to improve the structure and competitiveness of teams...the weak will only get weaker. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 03/02/2021 15:12:19 2330217 Link 2 |
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There are only 3 mens senior clubs in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and so they are supposed to field intercounty teams at all levels and in both codes ??? This must be the silliest thread ever on HS. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 03/02/2021 21:27:54 2330228 Link 4 |
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Ok man,let's here your constructive proposals to radically improve the AI football championship...make it even,fair and competitive and allow young lads in every county to aspire to playing football at an elite level. We are all ears,just remember anyone can wield a wrecking ball but you must replace it with something constructive....go ahead! ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 03/02/2021 22:49:48 2330238 Link 0 |
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And how does 4 teams in Dublin really help everyone? It doesnt make a difference to majority of counties who've never/rarely or havent been competitive in terms of winning all irelands in around a century. Bad.monkeys had plenty of ideas over these type of threads as have dozens of others but his point was extremely fair. how can an area with only 3 mens senior clubs supposed to field intercounty teams at all levels and in both codes??? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 04/02/2021 00:12:12 2330240 Link 2 |
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All your questions have already been covered in this thread with amalgamations etc....including amalgamations in Dublin.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 04/02/2021 14:36:00 2330271 Link 1 |
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Nothing in sport is always fair... are you going to split New York based on population or force half of Kilenny to play football.. of course not I have been one of few Dublin people here who for years have been open to a split into Dublin North and South as it would be fairly balanced, allow more top players to play at intercounty level and is a somewhat natural boundary in the city. As for allowing those from smaller counties to play at top level, the only way is for small counties to voluntarily amalgamate for the Championship (while still maintaining separate county teams for league and separate club competitions). A funding model split based on say population 20%, registered players 30%, position in last years championship 50%. Any sponsorship or commercial revenue over 1m by a county to go into GAA fund for games development. The hysterics about Dublin killing the game don't help, the terrible things said about Dublin players and their achievements don't help, running down GAA people in Dublin doesn't help. Any big changes will need to be with the agreement of every county and seen as a positive for all. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 04/02/2021 17:16:50 2330289 Link 0 |
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We can make Gaelic football more fair at county representative level,its an amateur organization and finance shouldn't rule the roost.Your analogy regarding New York and Kilkenny might be deemed a little hysterical and doen't make great clarification sense but having said that we agree on a lot. I'm glad you agree that its unrealistic to continue Dublin as it is presently and favour a split though we differ on the number of "county" teams in Dublin.We agree that much more representation in inter county competition should be available to Dublin players and splitting Dublin will allow for this. As I have outlined extensively in this thread amalgamation for teams for the AI Football Championship ONLY will allow players in all counties to aspire to play at elite level and compete on a more even if not level playing field. A tiered competition be made available for all county teams as presently and historically structured,except for Dublin where four teams structured on the present local government county admistration system will take part in this tiered competition. Funding to be apportioned on a fair and even basis. A youth academy be set up in every county, financed by Croke Park,and an oversight body to administer it. You mention hysterics in your reply to me...no hysterics from me.I admire Dublin and their success.I remember when we in the GAA were very worried about possibly losing Dublin as things were not good in the Capital.I agree that part of this was the thought of losing the revenue from the Dublin supporters,not officially but we all knew it.I have never ran down Dublin or their achievements...why would I? Stating the obvious again,the Leinster football championsip in dead as a competition...not Dublins fault but the GAA administration at top level.They had the opportunity to sort it but didn't.The AI football championship is just limping along. Thank you for your constructive reply. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 04/02/2021 21:53:19 2330307 Link 1 |
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Doesnt matter whether something is amateur or professional but finances have to be key to all thinking around major chances and splitting Dublin could have huge ramifications for the GAA in terms of transfers, future structure of counties etc The GAA doesnt run on nothing and money has to be a major concern. GAA needs major income from games, successful teams or clubs will cease to exist. The problem ultimately with splitting Dublin is you will then have to look at other counties and make splits and mergers in many other parts of the country to make things fair and that isnt the answer. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 04/02/2021 22:11:27 2330309 Link 0 |
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I dont see why you should have to split Dublin and that Dublin deserves/needs more sides. GAA Is amateur but finances have to be a main concern as without income and money coming in then nothing can go ahead. A major problem is far too many people are trying to keep all sides competing in the one main competition when the all ireland series badly just needs to introduce tiers and get more games for the best to play the best. The role the provincial championships play in the all ireland series needs to change. Dublin are comfortable in Leinster and rarely play division 1 sides. Splitting Dublin will not help most counties do better A split Dublin mainly helps Kerry and the other small number of counties who've been close to beating them in the past 5/6 years. All counties have underage set ups in place. when you say set up an underage academy in each county what exactly do you mean? All counties pick the best players in age groups who want to play at representative level and they assess, train and assist in their development to become better players. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 04/02/2021 23:14:18 2330313 Link 2 |
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I think there is a logical argument there in decades to come for a split, key figure for me is participation rates at adult senior. They are at a level now we're they are the highest in the country but only marginally. Dublins population to participation ratio is probably the worst in the country, which makes you wonder why or the need to follow "the Dublin model" or even success. If Dublin had 100k adult footballers to pick from I think that would be unfair, I could understand the logic of the argue meant for a split then. Is it there now? Not for me and that based on participation numbers. Would I accept a split? Very biasedly, no never. There in lies the problem for the GAA, splitting Dublin in akin to to just taking the County of Dublin out of the intercounty game and killing GAA stone dead. Split teams would be boycotted, those participating vilified, I'd actively protest, there just would be no Dublin, I'd actually prefer to see Dublin pull out of the GAA do their own thing, rent the Aviva and have cracking matches Dublin A Vs B or a club blitz over the summer, that would get huge support amongst the natives in solidarity, think the DCB would hold its own financially. Who knows might even the genius of a breakaway from the GAA going forward like the PL and FA all those years ago. Ultimately I think the impact would lead to a reunification. But hey on the bright side maybe we might have a decent soccer and rugby team for a few years with lads choosing those sports in the capital. I think all that is before you look at the financial impact for the GAA, Dublin holds its own in commercial revenue and sponsorship as we know. But there is a secondary revenue for the GAA look around Croke Park, Supervalue, BoyleSports, Centra, Eir, Bord Gais, Electric Ireland, AIB, how many of these of counties want to be involved with an organisation vilified in the country's biggest market. Eir show nothing only Dublin league games, Sky Sports always pick the Dublin game, good luck with TV deals. Premium seating and Corporate boxes are Croke parks biggest revenue generator, all sold with the knowledge the Dubs are in the ticket, I hear many say gates are falling and will hit the GAA in the pocket, revenue is going up and up year after year pre COVID, the gate these days is a small slice of the pie. Then thinking of the gate, there are only a couple of counties who can fill Croker or 75% outside a final, us and Mayo really. So ultimately I think we might have question to answer around a split not at the moment, but in decades to come if adult partition rates continue to swell logically. It will never be accepted, in fact vilified. I hear people saying it will take a few generations to bite. I don't think so kids won't be brought down the club, they will be sent down to Rugby and soccer who will welcome them with open arms. There will be no culture or tradition of GAA in the county and on one in the county will identify with the GAA, like it was but for all but a very few pre Heffo. The GAA might hit and hope but overall I think they would regret ever trying a split. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/02/2021 12:34:08 2330331 Link 9 |