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It's a huge advantage to Dublin playing in Croke Park. Stephen Cluxton has played around 100 games in Croke Park. The GAA is supposed to be an amateur organisation and fairness and equality should prevail. Croke Park is a national stadium - yet the Dubs play their all the time. Why can't a Mayo/Galway or Cork/Kerry provincial final be on in Croke Park to give our players that experience. The government need to intervene and provide funding also - not just the GAA. Its like lambs to the slaughter for most teams against Dublin in Croke Park - but games might be a bit tighter if Dublin had to travel.
hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 294 - 08/01/2021 10:05:18 It is but what can you do to replace the millions that would be lost by moving lots of these dublin games from croke park.
The GAA is amateur but doesnt run on fresh air.
What counties want to move their provincial finals to Dublin?
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Leinster counties have constantly voted to keep dublin in croke park
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Yeah i think that is a very easy solution, id back it to - all away games or whatever, even the final. Youd loose gate, but so be it, you'd always get a hardcore 10k on the road for a lesser games and more for bigger. I want a crack at Kerry in Kilarrney, a trip to the Pairc and ive a few hotel vouchers in Galway burning a hole in my pocket since the league game was canceled in March.
Wont hold my breath, but id like to see this happen, its in the motion proposed by John Connellen which i will be supporting.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3819 - 08/01/2021 14:19:19 Wouldnt go that far.
Croke Park has to host the all ireland finals.
Change the structure of all ireland and the whole inter county season and you can get dubs playing more big games outside of Dublin.
Have Dublin even once played a big championship game in Kerry?
When was the last time Dublin even played twice outside of Croke Park/Dublin in the same championship
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 08/01/2021 14:37:34
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Replying To hopballref: "The big clubs in Dublin don't benefit particularly from development funding, any more then any other club anywhere in the country
Exactly - therefore the big clubs do not need the funding. The likes of Na Fianna, Vincent's etc should pay 100% of this cost and their 50% should be distributed elsewhere to clubs that need it.
Who would audit travelling expenses or would this become a way to get pay for play courtesy of central funds? There is merit in the idea of centralised travelling expenses, but it is very open to abuse.
Who audits travelling expenses in any organisation? If Galway have to travel to Croke Park to play the Dubs - there is a significant cost involved with that. There is significant cost in players, coaches, physios etc travelling to training each week that Dublin don't have - or at least have far less of.
What is the benefit of a fully paid CEO? It's the quality of the guy leading the county that counts, not if he gets paid or not. Paying someone does not guarantee quality. What is the role of the CEO? Does he supersede the role of the county Chairman - if so, does all electable accountability cease to exist.
A CEO would solely be in charge of running the county's finances from fundraising to how the money should be spent. A chairman would be in charge of everything else.
Counties are spending on infrastructure, not development. They need to stop spending on stadiums and 'centres of excellence' or (centres of mediocreness), and concentrate on getting kids to play the games.
You obviously need the sufficient facilities to perform at an elite level. It is about getting the balance right. Dublin do not have to worry about stadium costs - and instead can focus on kids playing the game. Not the case in other counties and the GAA/government need to help with this. You need good stadiums in each county's to host championship matches - end of." 1. Development funding over and above what clubs in other counties get is a cost to clubs in Dublin, not a gain. In some cases it is an unwelcome cost.
2. Yes, some counties might have travelling costs over and above other counties. But if they are being paid centrally, what checks will be put in place to ensure they are not abused. If four guys are travelling from the same area, I suspect in reality you will find each will submit expenses even though they travelled together. Also while Dublin do have an advantage in distance over some counties, they do not have an advantage in time. A 10km journey can take an hour at the wrong times. Centralised expenses do have merit, but will be tricky to control and the first time some guy is turned down, there will be uproar.
3. CEO. If you want him to only look after finances then I assume it is a CFO, not a CEO that is being proposed. If the chairman wants to spend money on a project, who gets to make that call, the full time guy or the elected guy? What happens if the guy given the job is not working out. Who gets to sack him, the county or central council?
4. Stadiums - what is the definition of a good stadium? Everyone has a different idea. What is it worth to have a stadium to host one match per year in some cases, 10 million, 20 million, 30 million ? I don't know the answer to that and I suspect everyone will have a different number in mind. But you should have send it is 'end of' at the start - then obviously no further discussion was required.
The thing that is evident from this thread, which is probably better informed then most other public discussions, is how little is known of the actual facts. People have very strong opinions on things yet can't be bothered to find out the details - and this is a matter of detail.
I have no great opinions one way or the other which county gets money and which doesn't. Once it fulfils the ethos and purpose of the GAA, which is to encourage and promote the playing of the games. I don't think infra-structure projects do that particularly, or I don't think giving money to areas where the game is strong does that. Some counties might have a really strong playing base, but have one or two areas where the game is struggling - that is the area that needs support and it shouldn't be ignored because on a county wide basis everything else is ok. The money needs to be spent to get the maximum amount of children playing the game. Generally the game is weaker in urban areas, but these are also the areas where a lot of people can be reached relatively easily. So for me, the GAA should be prioritising the development of games within the larger towns and cities and trying to get kids who aren't playing the games to start. Giving a county help in some direction to free up money so they can pay the latest next big thing manager is not what the game is about.
Dublin got money to increase the penetration of the game in the county. They used it wisely and they did that, in football and hurling for male and females. This by extension gave a greater pool of players to pick elite players from and like all things, the wider the base the better the tip. But other counties want to forego the hard work and just try to make their good players better and forget about the rest of it.
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Replying To KillingFields: "It's a huge advantage to Dublin playing in Croke Park. Stephen Cluxton has played around 100 games in Croke Park. The GAA is supposed to be an amateur organisation and fairness and equality should prevail. Croke Park is a national stadium - yet the Dubs play their all the time. Why can't a Mayo/Galway or Cork/Kerry provincial final be on in Croke Park to give our players that experience. The government need to intervene and provide funding also - not just the GAA. Its like lambs to the slaughter for most teams against Dublin in Croke Park - but games might be a bit tighter if Dublin had to travel.
hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 294 - 08/01/2021 10:05:18 It is but what can you do to replace the millions that would be lost by moving lots of these dublin games from croke park.
The GAA is amateur but doesnt run on fresh air.
What counties want to move their provincial finals to Dublin?
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Leinster counties have constantly voted to keep dublin in croke park" I don't care about the millions that will be lost. I want fairness on the field of play.
Dublin get to play 'challenge games' in Croke Park at provincial stage which is a serious advantage especially when it comes to blooding young players and giving them that experience. They could still get 40,000 at a stadium elsewhere in the country. There isn't 80,000 people attending these games anyway - and there will be less as the years go on because the Leinster Championship becoming irrelevant in terms of competition.
I don't want other provincials to be moved to Dublin - I was saying that tongue in cheek. There should be no provincial games played in Croke Park. The All Ireland quarter final should also be outside Croke Park meaning Dublin would have to travel for a knock-out game.
I want the government to provide the same funding to other counties that they did for Dublin in the early noughties. This was to 'save football in the capital'. Football now needs to be saved elsewhere.
Leinster counties might have, as I suppose it would give them that extra experience also if they were to reach a q-final. But no Ulster, Connaught or Munster counties voted for it or got the opportunity to vote for it.
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Replying To hopballref: " Replying To KillingFields: "It's a huge advantage to Dublin playing in Croke Park. Stephen Cluxton has played around 100 games in Croke Park. The GAA is supposed to be an amateur organisation and fairness and equality should prevail. Croke Park is a national stadium - yet the Dubs play their all the time. Why can't a Mayo/Galway or Cork/Kerry provincial final be on in Croke Park to give our players that experience. The government need to intervene and provide funding also - not just the GAA. Its like lambs to the slaughter for most teams against Dublin in Croke Park - but games might be a bit tighter if Dublin had to travel.
hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 294 - 08/01/2021 10:05:18 It is but what can you do to replace the millions that would be lost by moving lots of these dublin games from croke park.
The GAA is amateur but doesnt run on fresh air.
What counties want to move their provincial finals to Dublin?
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Leinster counties have constantly voted to keep dublin in croke park" I don't care about the millions that will be lost. I want fairness on the field of play. Dublin get to play 'challenge games' in Croke Park at provincial stage which is a serious advantage especially when it comes to blooding young players and giving them that experience. They could still get 40,000 at a stadium elsewhere in the country. There isn't 80,000 people attending these games anyway - and there will be less as the years go on because the Leinster Championship becoming irrelevant in terms of competition. I don't want other provincials to be moved to Dublin - I was saying that tongue in cheek. There should be no provincial games played in Croke Park. The All Ireland quarter final should also be outside Croke Park meaning Dublin would have to travel for a knock-out game. I want the government to provide the same funding to other counties that they did for Dublin in the early noughties. This was to 'save football in the capital'. Football now needs to be saved elsewhere. Leinster counties might have, as I suppose it would give them that extra experience also if they were to reach a q-final. But no Ulster, Connaught or Munster counties voted for it or got the opportunity to vote for it."
What exactly is your definition of equality and fairness?
Where do Dublin play if not Croke Park?
Mayo/Galway in a Connacht final and Cork/Kerry in Munster final isnt played in Croke Park because the counties dont want it. The provincial councils wouldnt make as much money
If you want Dublin to play more games outside of Croke Park in the championship then the format needs to change.
There most certainly should be some provincial games played in Croke Park.
The government cant provide money that was given to Dublin in the early noughties as there isnt a need. Dublin has 40/30/20 times the population of several counties and 8 or 9 times the population of most counties.
These counties have GAA engrained in the community far more than Dublin ever has or will or at least significant parts of the city.
That is why Dublin has been getting that amount of development funding.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 08/01/2021 15:14:00
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Replying To dougal123: "1. Development funding over and above what clubs in other counties get is a cost to clubs in Dublin, not a gain. In some cases it is an unwelcome cost.
2. Yes, some counties might have travelling costs over and above other counties. But if they are being paid centrally, what checks will be put in place to ensure they are not abused. If four guys are travelling from the same area, I suspect in reality you will find each will submit expenses even though they travelled together. Also while Dublin do have an advantage in distance over some counties, they do not have an advantage in time. A 10km journey can take an hour at the wrong times. Centralised expenses do have merit, but will be tricky to control and the first time some guy is turned down, there will be uproar.
3. CEO. If you want him to only look after finances then I assume it is a CFO, not a CEO that is being proposed. If the chairman wants to spend money on a project, who gets to make that call, the full time guy or the elected guy? What happens if the guy given the job is not working out. Who gets to sack him, the county or central council?
4. Stadiums - what is the definition of a good stadium? Everyone has a different idea. What is it worth to have a stadium to host one match per year in some cases, 10 million, 20 million, 30 million ? I don't know the answer to that and I suspect everyone will have a different number in mind. But you should have send it is 'end of' at the start - then obviously no further discussion was required.
The thing that is evident from this thread, which is probably better informed then most other public discussions, is how little is known of the actual facts. People have very strong opinions on things yet can't be bothered to find out the details - and this is a matter of detail.
I have no great opinions one way or the other which county gets money and which doesn't. Once it fulfils the ethos and purpose of the GAA, which is to encourage and promote the playing of the games. I don't think infra-structure projects do that particularly, or I don't think giving money to areas where the game is strong does that. Some counties might have a really strong playing base, but have one or two areas where the game is struggling - that is the area that needs support and it shouldn't be ignored because on a county wide basis everything else is ok. The money needs to be spent to get the maximum amount of children playing the game. Generally the game is weaker in urban areas, but these are also the areas where a lot of people can be reached relatively easily. So for me, the GAA should be prioritising the development of games within the larger towns and cities and trying to get kids who aren't playing the games to start. Giving a county help in some direction to free up money so they can pay the latest next big thing manager is not what the game is about.
Dublin got money to increase the penetration of the game in the county. They used it wisely and they did that, in football and hurling for male and females. This by extension gave a greater pool of players to pick elite players from and like all things, the wider the base the better the tip. But other counties want to forego the hard work and just try to make their good players better and forget about the rest of it." I wouldn't be denying any of the players any expenses unless they were completely unreasonable. They give their lives to the GAA. If they get a small bit extra and make a few bob all the best to them. The Dublin lads all drive sponsored cars, get free food and a lot of other added bonuses which I have no problem with either. They deserve it.
I want the CEO to have the same role as John Costello in Dublin. I basically want the Dublin model to be implemented elsewhere in the country. Dublin did a fine job in setting up this model - but they did it with the help off the GAA and the government also.
If infra-structure facilities don't promote the playing of games - why have Dublin the best club facilities in the country? It surely has some effect. Every time I go to Dublin I think to myself wouldn't it be great if we had those facilities at our club and we have pretty good facilities which we spent over 10 years fundraising for. But nothing like Dublin clubs.
You're last few sentences are completely mad. Do you think Dublin GAA would have achieved what it did without the help of external bodies? Other counties do not want to forego hard work. We work harder than anyone to promote the game. Do you know how hard it is to field 15 player's in some rural clubs? We just need some support to help reduce some of the costs which will enable us to focus more on the development and promotion of the game.
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Replying To KillingFields: "Yeah i think that is a very easy solution, id back it to - all away games or whatever, even the final. Youd loose gate, but so be it, you'd always get a hardcore 10k on the road for a lesser games and more for bigger. I want a crack at Kerry in Kilarrney, a trip to the Pairc and ive a few hotel vouchers in Galway burning a hole in my pocket since the league game was canceled in March.
Wont hold my breath, but id like to see this happen, its in the motion proposed by John Connellen which i will be supporting.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3819 - 08/01/2021 14:19:19 Wouldnt go that far.
Croke Park has to host the all ireland finals.
Change the structure of all ireland and the whole inter county season and you can get dubs playing more big games outside of Dublin.
Have Dublin even once played a big championship game in Kerry?
When was the last time Dublin even played twice outside of Croke Park/Dublin in the same championship" Last year, we played in O Moore and up in Omagh, the year before to. But we play to much in Croke Park. To be honest, we always have, even a nipper and not competitive the majority of our games have always been in Croker. People go on about league game sin Croke Park in all honesty i was league games in the old Croker even. Im all for more games outside of Croker, but id also make the point, that other Leinster counties like Loais, Westmeath on a smaller scale and certainly Meath and Kildare played almost All of their games in Croker when competing for All Irelands.
Personally i wouldn't mind an All final in PUC or the GG, Clones or wherever - it would mean a lesser gate, but if that's not a consideration like many are saying on here, then im more then happy with it.
A long while since we played Championship in Killarney for sure, id love a crack at that there and a few other places, we are usually sent out to Tralee for the league as i think there is a fair unbeaten record in Killareny to be minded, though i was down there in the snow in 2015 and they bet us by a point. They have no flood lights either ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/01/2021 15:59:41
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Replying To hopballref: " Replying To CiarraiMick: "[quote=hopballref: "[quote=KillingFields: " Cahair O'Kane's plan for splitting teams and also amalgamating teams....from The Irish News Sept 2019.He did a lot of work on the number of clubs etc in each county.Interestingly he is in favour of Cork being split also.There is a huge population in Cork so perhaps he has a point.It makes an interesting read with his map of the new look "counties".
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ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 553 - 06/01/2021 19:37:24 That isnt really a good idea. It takes a lot away from what makes the GAA strongest organisation in the country. Number of clubs alone means very little as does club teams. Can anyone name any sports that have all teams within competitions split like that? Everyone always puts competition formats with all teams always competing in the same all ireland championship. Put in a proper tiered structure for the main competition of the year. dont have pre season competitions at all. Dont finish the league before the championship starts. Many counties have never been really competitive for all ireland or even provincial titles. That doesnt mean they should combine. Put in a properly tiered all ireland championship and you give these smaller/weaker counties more attainable goals. The GAA should have no problem doing the below as a start to solve the problem.
- Take away games development funding from the MAJOR clubs in Dublin and distribute it across the country. They don't need it. This will help countys appoint games development officers.
-Support other counties financially with regard to travelling expenses (Dublin dont have this cost)
-Support other counties (who need it) with stadium costs (Dublin dont have this cost)
- Ensure there is a fully paid CEO for each county.
- Move all Dublin games except All Ireland semi final and final outside Croke Park.
Taking the above costs away from other counties will help ensure they can concentrate solely on football.
hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 287 - 06/01/2021 20:16:30What exactly do you define as a major club in Dublin? And why is removing development officers a good idea? Just apportion funding from elsewhere to appoint more development officers in other counties. Get sponsors in to help counties fund more development officers. When you say get in a full time CEO for each county what do you want that CEO to be doing? Moving all Dublin games except all ireland semis and final from Croke Park just loses the GAA millions. They are getting tens of thousands attending games and many venues are not near that so how do you replace that income especially when you are looking to spend so much more to financially support other counties. Perhaps it is time to destroy what we have and build a fairer and more even competition. Leaving well enough alone and hoping for the best outcome has got us to where we are today and without question that needs to change. The inter county game is being killed in Leinster. Players taking up a sport today want to take part in a competition which is fair and where every team has a reasonable chanced of success. Its not a professional game where the survival of the fittest financially goes a long way to success. Because its amateur it can be restructured and be all inclusive competitively.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 553 - 07/01/2021 12:36:27How does that help the GAA? Getting rid of counties takes away one of the strongest positives of the GAA and would give other sports an easier way to get lots more playing their sports and kids and adults may turn away from GAA entirely. The inter county game may be amateur but we're talking about the elite level of the game. Its not under 12s where every kid gets a participation medal for taking part. Most counties have never in the history of the inter county all ireland series been competitive. Dublin dominating makes no difference to that." What exactly do you define as a major club in Dublin? And why is removing development officers a good idea? Just apportion funding from elsewhere to appoint more development officers in other counties. Get sponsors in to help counties fund more development officers. Na Fianna, Vincent's etc would be major clubs. I am now sure of the exact figures but it would be easy enough to define a major club by researching member numbers, annual income etc. I never said remove development officers - I said remove the funding of them. That is the problem - its not that easy to get sponsors in smaller counties. When you say get in a full time CEO for each county what do you want that CEO to be doing? The same as John Costello. Moving all Dublin games except all Ireland semis and final from Croke Park just loses the GAA millions. They are getting tens of thousands attending games and many venues are not near that so how do you replace that income especially when you are looking to spend so much more to financially support other counties. It's a huge advantage to Dublin playing in Croke Park. Stephen Cluxton has played around 100 games in Croke Park. The GAA is supposed to be an amateur organisation and fairness and equality should prevail. Croke Park is a national stadium - yet the Dubs play their all the time. Why can't a Mayo/Galway or Cork/Kerry provincial final be on in Croke Park to give our players that experience. The government need to intervene and provide funding also - not just the GAA. Its like lambs to the slaughter for most teams against Dublin in Croke Park - but games might be a bit tighter if Dublin had to travel."
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 08/01/2021 16:42:11
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Replying To KillingFields: "Yeah i think that is a very easy solution, id back it to - all away games or whatever, even the final. Youd loose gate, but so be it, you'd always get a hardcore 10k on the road for a lesser games and more for bigger. I want a crack at Kerry in Kilarrney, a trip to the Pairc and ive a few hotel vouchers in Galway burning a hole in my pocket since the league game was canceled in March.
Wont hold my breath, but id like to see this happen, its in the motion proposed by John Connellen which i will be supporting.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3819 - 08/01/2021 14:19:19 Wouldnt go that far.
Croke Park has to host the all ireland finals.
Change the structure of all ireland and the whole inter county season and you can get dubs playing more big games outside of Dublin.
Have Dublin even once played a big championship game in Kerry?
When was the last time Dublin even played twice outside of Croke Park/Dublin in the same championship" Dublin played Kerry in thurles in 2001 all ireland quarter final twice (draw and replay). I'm not sure about games they played in Leinster between 01 and 06.i know from 06 to 16 or 17 all Dublin games were in CP.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 08/01/2021 16:49:47
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Wont hold my breath, but id like to see this happen, its in the motion proposed by John Connellen which i will be supporting.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3819 - 08/01/2021 14:19:19 Wouldnt go that far.
Croke Park has to host the all ireland finals.
Change the structure of all ireland and the whole inter county season and you can get dubs playing more big games outside of Dublin.
Have Dublin even once played a big championship game in Kerry?
When was the last time Dublin even played twice outside of Croke Park/Dublin in the same championship" Dublin played Kerry in thurles in 2001 all ireland quarter final twice (draw and replay). I'm not sure about games they played in Leinster between 01 and 06.i know from 06 to 16 or 17 all Dublin games were in CP."
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"Drawing comparisons with a professional sport is an exercise fraught with danger but it is worth considering in the case of Dublin's size as roughly 19% on the island of Ireland live in the county.
Melbourne, the home of Australian Rules and with a population of 4.485m, also around 19% of its country's total population, provides half of the AFL premiership's 18 teams. Sydney, with a 5.23m population and close to 20% of Australia's population, has nine of the 15 Australian teams involved in the National Rugby League competition."
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/01/2021 22:24:37
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hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 294 - 08/01/2021 10:05:18 It is but what can you do to replace the millions that would be lost by moving lots of these dublin games from croke park.
The GAA is amateur but doesnt run on fresh air.
What counties want to move their provincial finals to Dublin?
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Leinster counties have constantly voted to keep dublin in croke park" I don't care about the millions that will be lost. I want fairness on the field of play. Dublin get to play 'challenge games' in Croke Park at provincial stage which is a serious advantage especially when it comes to blooding young players and giving them that experience. They could still get 40,000 at a stadium elsewhere in the country. There isn't 80,000 people attending these games anyway - and there will be less as the years go on because the Leinster Championship becoming irrelevant in terms of competition. I don't want other provincials to be moved to Dublin - I was saying that tongue in cheek. There should be no provincial games played in Croke Park. The All Ireland quarter final should also be outside Croke Park meaning Dublin would have to travel for a knock-out game. I want the government to provide the same funding to other counties that they did for Dublin in the early noughties. This was to 'save football in the capital'. Football now needs to be saved elsewhere. Leinster counties might have, as I suppose it would give them that extra experience also if they were to reach a q-final. But no Ulster, Connaught or Munster counties voted for it or got the opportunity to vote for it."
What exactly is your definition of equality and fairness?
Where do Dublin play if not Croke Park?
Mayo/Galway in a Connacht final and Cork/Kerry in Munster final isnt played in Croke Park because the counties dont want it. The provincial councils wouldnt make as much money
If you want Dublin to play more games outside of Croke Park in the championship then the format needs to change.
There most certainly should be some provincial games played in Croke Park.
The government cant provide money that was given to Dublin in the early noughties as there isnt a need. Dublin has 40/30/20 times the population of several counties and 8 or 9 times the population of most counties.
These counties have GAA engrained in the community far more than Dublin ever has or will or at least significant parts of the city.
That is why Dublin has been getting that amount of development funding."]Fairness and equality in terms of other players having the same amount of experience in CP as Dublin players. Obviously providing they are good enough I.e. Donegal, Mayo, Galway etc etc. For this to happen- Dublin matches have to be moved out of CP until semi final stage.
I agree the championship structure does need to change.
There is a need. The government or the GAA can intervene and help pay off costs clubs have from building new facilities. Most rural clubs have those costs. Clubs can then focus more on the development of the game. They can also intervene and help other county teams with travelling costs.
I understand why Dublin have been getting the funding and it makes sense. But you simply cant give Dublin funding and ignore the 31 other counties.
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Administrator! We need to broaden the discussion and include Amalgamated teams in it so can you alter the title of the thread to read as follows :-
Four Teams Representing Dublin Geographic Area Plus Amalgamated Teams For AI Football Championship Only!
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Chances of winning AI Senior Football Championship in next 10 years, as presently constituted...…….zero to ten.
Winning chances next ten years out of 10. Note the first figure is the number of All Ireland football championships won.
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Kerry 37 9
Dublin 30 10
Galway 9 3
Cork 7 3
Meath 7 1
Cavan 5 1
Wexford 5 0
Down 5 1
Kildare 4 0
Tipp 4 0
Mayo 3 3
Offaly 3 0
Louth 3 0
Tyrone 3 3
Rossies 2 0
Donegal 2 3
Limerick 2 0
Armagh 1 0
Derry 1 0
Waterford 0 0
Clare 0 0
Kilkenny 0 0
Wicklow 0 0
Laois 0 0
Carlow 0 0
Longford 0 0
Westmeath 0 0
Leitrim 0 0
Sligo 0 0
Monaghan 0 0
Fermanagh 0 0
Antrim 0 0
Some posters will have a different view as to the chances of teams winning in the next ten years.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/01/2021 14:46:56
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No, No, and No...
It's up to others to close the gap, and wear Dublin down..
Likes of Kerry and Mayo cant do it on their own , but a tough leinster competition should knock a few strides out of Dublin.
Teams from Ulster and connaught are losing players through injuries having real battles in their respective provinces, and they need full strength squads to tackle them.
Leinster teams dont lay a glove on Dublin in the physicality stakes, and can do as they please all the way up until the All Ireland semi finals whilst keeping their squad in tip top condition.
BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 11/01/2021 15:15:34
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KillingFields asks , where do Dublin play if not Croke Park? In Leinster any ground does, on point about money if they are not playing in Croke Park, unless it's Semi Finals or Final matches are usually double headers and times upper decks are not open. Ordinary Dublin fans love traveling around Ireland to football and moving around would take another excuse away as to why they're winning.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 11/01/2021 19:55:01
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It's always "Dublin says no" with this argument.
Much like the days of English rule. Those inside the pale want something the rest of us can see just isn't workable.
The entire county structure needs looking at too.
Dump those that are not up to Senior level (24 counties) into a junior and intermediate championship and if they want to play for sam the they have to amalgamate.
That way if you split Dublin in 4 and three of them aren't good enough for senior they can amalgamate to play senior
Something like the Kerry Senior championship
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 21/01/2021 22:41:25
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Chances of winning AI Senior Football Championship in next 10 years, as presently constituted...…….zero to ten.
Winning chances next ten years out of 10. Note the first figure is the number of All Ireland football championships won.
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Kerry 37 9
Dublin 30 10
Galway 9 3
Cork 7 3
Meath 7 1
Cavan 5 1
Wexford 5 0
Down 5 1
Kildare 4 0
Tipp 4 0
Mayo 3 3
Offaly 3 0
Louth 3 0
Tyrone 3 3
Rossies 2 0
Donegal 2 3
Limerick 2 0
Armagh 1 0
Derry 1 0
Waterford 0 0
Clare 0 0
Kilkenny 0 0
Wicklow 0 0
Laois 0 0
Carlow 0 0
Longford 0 0
Westmeath 0 0
Leitrim 0 0
Sligo 0 0
Monaghan 0 0
Fermanagh 0 0
Antrim 0 0
Some posters will have a different view as to the chances of teams winning in the next ten years." Very few teams have any chance of winning the All Ireland as the competition is presently structured,think that's a given.Also there is only a handful of teams capable of providing meaningful competition.The competition is dying and has been dead from inception for the vast majority of county teams.The structure of the competition was flawed and uneven and unfair from the beginning.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 22/01/2021 11:52:08
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Very few teams have any chance of winning the All Ireland as the competition is presently structured,think that's a given.Also there is only a handful of teams capable of providing meaningful competition.The competition is dying and has been dead from inception for the vast majority of county teams.The structure of the competition was flawed and uneven and unfair from the beginning." Very few teams will have a chance of winning the all Ireland whatever the structure.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 22/01/2021 13:15:01
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Replying To Galway9801: "Very few teams will have a chance of winning the all Ireland whatever the structure." Would you be in favour of changing that and having a more meaningful competition?
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 22/01/2021 14:00:07
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