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Why Aren't The Ladies Playing An All Ireland Final In Croke Park.

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Replying To ArmaghCat:  "The point is this is their own organisation doing this to them.....the LGFA no one else......also to be fair Cork have a lot of complaints but they haven't used the warm up time as one...there are very strict guidelines in Croker for when you can enter the field etc all teams have to adhere to them...if Galway ate into their allotted time that is clearly an issue for them, surely they were made aware of the venue change at same time as Cork etc.....

Its a mess of the LGFA making and no one else but surely the warm up allocation and timings were the same for both teams?"
To say this problem lies directly with LGFA is 100% correct. Cork management and players have come out and backed Galway's grievance 100%. It didn't effect Cork as much as they stayed in Dublin the previous night. As everyone knows you don't expect a team be it male or female to travel from Galway to Dublin togged. IMP the girls were shown huge disrespect and player welfare was compromised big time by not allowing a proper professional warmup. It's remains to be seen will the LGFA come out and do the right thing and apologise to all involved and not be hiding behind disrespectful excuses like saying the girls took too long with warmup

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 07/12/2020 20:38:23    2319980

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The Wicklow v Fermanagh match wasn't a GAA game.

It was a LGFA game.

But yeah its the Dubs fault. Seems about right."
Just to explain there's club Gaa and county GAA. Just like there's school Gaa, college gaa and LGFA Gaa. As a previous post said when the Government grant are been given out it consists of all GAa activities. However I don't blame Croke Park Gaa for latest fiasco. The LGFA were offered a slot, it was up to them (LGF) and them alone to decide if it was too short a time frame for player welfare and extra time etc. This was not adhered to.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 07/12/2020 21:19:09    2320003

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I have to say that I was more than surprised to hear the Galway manager complain about the lack of time his team had before playing their game yesterday. The match was due to be played in Limerick then Parnell Park ...which is a great venue by the way...and when declared unplayable, the GAA gave Croke Park for the match. The Galway manager believes that his team did not have enough time to warm up. That is a fair enough point. But for him to say that he regrets not having his team leave the pitch in protest before the start of the match... wow...what a most unusual response !!! Cork obviously had the same amount of time in Croke Park...or arrived earlier than Galway... it doesn't matter really... his way of responding to his team not having enough time on Croke Park was to state he should.have withdrawn his team !!!! A little over the top I think. Not one word of ... yeah ...thanks for actually playing in Croker !!!!
Not all venues and games work out due to all sorts of late reasons like frost fog etc .
I was surprised that Croke Park actually gave the pitch as there is quite a number of games being played in poor weather over these weekends. And the Galway manager wanted to withdraw his troops !!!
Perhaps he should put his energies into helping persuading his LFFA and the Camogie Association to actually join with the GAA.
That should be his focus.
The LGFA and the Camogie Association are catering for greater numbers of players teams etc and are never sure about what venues they will get . At this stage all 3 associations need to join to affirm much better streamlining of fixtures and venues.
Of course many within all 3 associations will fight this as they have their positions of authority etc etc. All 3, but especially both ladies associations now need to put their players and their teams first and join up...if they want their players to enjoy much greater access to the best pitches when they want them.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 07/12/2020 21:38:18    2320015

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Replying To carlowman:  "I have to say that I was more than surprised to hear the Galway manager complain about the lack of time his team had before playing their game yesterday. The match was due to be played in Limerick then Parnell Park ...which is a great venue by the way...and when declared unplayable, the GAA gave Croke Park for the match. The Galway manager believes that his team did not have enough time to warm up. That is a fair enough point. But for him to say that he regrets not having his team leave the pitch in protest before the start of the match... wow...what a most unusual response !!! Cork obviously had the same amount of time in Croke Park...or arrived earlier than Galway... it doesn't matter really... his way of responding to his team not having enough time on Croke Park was to state he should.have withdrawn his team !!!! A little over the top I think. Not one word of ... yeah ...thanks for actually playing in Croker !!!!
Not all venues and games work out due to all sorts of late reasons like frost fog etc .
I was surprised that Croke Park actually gave the pitch as there is quite a number of games being played in poor weather over these weekends. And the Galway manager wanted to withdraw his troops !!!
Perhaps he should put his energies into helping persuading his LFFA and the Camogie Association to actually join with the GAA.
That should be his focus.
The LGFA and the Camogie Association are catering for greater numbers of players teams etc and are never sure about what venues they will get . At this stage all 3 associations need to join to affirm much better streamlining of fixtures and venues.
Of course many within all 3 associations will fight this as they have their positions of authority etc etc. All 3, but especially both ladies associations now need to put their players and their teams first and join up...if they want their players to enjoy much greater access to the best pitches when they want them."
It would under no circumstances ever happen in a mens senior semi final so why should it happen to the women. By the way Cork have backed Galway in their complaints

The manager is talking about the mistreatment of the women by the LGFA who is supposed to look after their needs. He never once complained about using croke park - he asked would they have enough time to warm up and was told they would. They did not.

as many posters have mentioned and yiu seemed to have missed Cork stayed in a Dublin hotel the night before so yes they were able to arrive at croke park earlier. Not that they chose to arrive earlier it's that they were able to. Galway showed up as soon as they could. Do not imply that those women just decided to up whenever

Playing a game without an appropriate warm up increases the likelihood of injury and saying he shouldve walked off isnt an over reaction

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 07/12/2020 22:35:24    2320040

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LGFA performance in relation to all this is poor. Both teams treated abysmally.
But a couple of questions must be asked of the Galway camp as well, they knew the venue change in advance from Limerick to Parnell Park & could have stayed up overnight like Cork, to avoid long drive on the day, particularly given the early throw in time. Why didn't they consider this.
Also it was fairly obvious that the forecast was for frosty conditions & fog so driving up on the day would take longer than normal, Parnell Park is not a million miles from Croke Park, so did they leave the travel time too tight.
How did Cork manage their pre match preparations on the day, they had to deal with the same issues.
Galway players deserved better from all involved, great chance gone for another year.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 08/12/2020 00:18:09    2320070

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Replying To carlowman:  "I have to say that I was more than surprised to hear the Galway manager complain about the lack of time his team had before playing their game yesterday. The match was due to be played in Limerick then Parnell Park ...which is a great venue by the way...and when declared unplayable, the GAA gave Croke Park for the match. The Galway manager believes that his team did not have enough time to warm up. That is a fair enough point. But for him to say that he regrets not having his team leave the pitch in protest before the start of the match... wow...what a most unusual response !!! Cork obviously had the same amount of time in Croke Park...or arrived earlier than Galway... it doesn't matter really... his way of responding to his team not having enough time on Croke Park was to state he should.have withdrawn his team !!!! A little over the top I think. Not one word of ... yeah ...thanks for actually playing in Croker !!!!
Not all venues and games work out due to all sorts of late reasons like frost fog etc .
I was surprised that Croke Park actually gave the pitch as there is quite a number of games being played in poor weather over these weekends. And the Galway manager wanted to withdraw his troops !!!
Perhaps he should put his energies into helping persuading his LFFA and the Camogie Association to actually join with the GAA.
That should be his focus.
The LGFA and the Camogie Association are catering for greater numbers of players teams etc and are never sure about what venues they will get . At this stage all 3 associations need to join to affirm much better streamlining of fixtures and venues.
Of course many within all 3 associations will fight this as they have their positions of authority etc etc. All 3, but especially both ladies associations now need to put their players and their teams first and join up...if they want their players to enjoy much greater access to the best pitches when they want them."
Well carlowman from what I hear both Galway and Cork were told about change of fixture less than 2 hours before thrown in as thrown in was changed from 1.30 to 1. The management weren't told about change of time until they got to Croke Park. Both sets of management were guaranteed enough time for warmup. It didn't effect Cork as much as they stayed in hotel the previous night even though Cork have come out and backed Galway 100%. As soon as Galway got to pitch which was 12.30 they were told the throw was brought forward to 1. Now imagine girls and managers been told you have 30 minutes to ie change, physio, tactics team talk. When girls got onto pitch they were interrupted several times to says ye have to line up. The Galway management said after the game Cork were by far the best team but the way they were treated was a disgrace. He said in hindsight he was sorry he played the game. Listening to radio and tv interviews Galways management is backed 100% except by LGFA. I personally think the Galway management would be fully justified to walk off.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 08/12/2020 07:42:08    2320086

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Replying To baire:  "Are you saying that U2, the England Rugby team and every other tomdickeen are allowed to play in Croke Park but not our Gaelic women? Women need not apply? Come out of your cave..."
Off course they should, but the issues in and around organising their fixtures has absolutely nothing to do with the GAA.

Totally separate organisations at national level..

How do you know if they asked for Croke Park?

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 08/12/2020 09:08:00    2320099

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Replying To Toman:  "Well carlowman from what I hear both Galway and Cork were told about change of fixture less than 2 hours before thrown in as thrown in was changed from 1.30 to 1. The management weren't told about change of time until they got to Croke Park. Both sets of management were guaranteed enough time for warmup. It didn't effect Cork as much as they stayed in hotel the previous night even though Cork have come out and backed Galway 100%. As soon as Galway got to pitch which was 12.30 they were told the throw was brought forward to 1. Now imagine girls and managers been told you have 30 minutes to ie change, physio, tactics team talk. When girls got onto pitch they were interrupted several times to says ye have to line up. The Galway management said after the game Cork were by far the best team but the way they were treated was a disgrace. He said in hindsight he was sorry he played the game. Listening to radio and tv interviews Galways management is backed 100% except by LGFA. I personally think the Galway management would be fully justified to walk off."
There is no doubting the mess that was the time factor... how much time the teams had to warm up etc is not in doubt.
My concern is what I would call the arrogance of the Galway manager stating that he should have taken his players off the pitch...what were the alternatives... a refixture....or his team being thrown out of the championship. Neither would have been very satisfactory.

Was he speaking for his entire team I wonder?

At the end of the day, ladies teams are not getting the access to venues that they deserve. That needs to be addressed and I think the best way to address this situation is for all 3 associations to come together.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 08/12/2020 16:06:56    2320297

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Replying To carlowman:  "There is no doubting the mess that was the time factor... how much time the teams had to warm up etc is not in doubt.
My concern is what I would call the arrogance of the Galway manager stating that he should have taken his players off the pitch...what were the alternatives... a refixture....or his team being thrown out of the championship. Neither would have been very satisfactory.

Was he speaking for his entire team I wonder?

At the end of the day, ladies teams are not getting the access to venues that they deserve. That needs to be addressed and I think the best way to address this situation is for all 3 associations to come together."
How would that be arrogance wanting the best for your team. Anyone who knows anything about football knows a warmup takes up to 30 minutes. To have a referee come over on several occasions during warmup is a disgrace. Why do sports people do warmup. To help and guard against injuries. Health and welfare for players should be at the forefront. And yes t was actually talking to one of the girls and they are disgusted they didn't walk off. I call it arrogance for the LGFA president to come out and say the girls spent too long in dressing room. There is no question what so ever who the best team was and congrats to Cork.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 08/12/2020 19:11:35    2320391

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Galway should have also stayed in Dublin the night before, as Cork did. A two-hour drive is no preparation for a 1pm kick-off; 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.' But sure, blame the LGFA rather than accept responsibility. As anyone involved knows, ladies' football has few resources and organising it is a thankless task

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 09/12/2020 02:57:27    2320525

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Replying To befair:  "Galway should have also stayed in Dublin the night before, as Cork did. A two-hour drive is no preparation for a 1pm kick-off; 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.' But sure, blame the LGFA rather than accept responsibility. As anyone involved knows, ladies' football has few resources and organising it is a thankless task"
I do believe because of Covid it is advised not to travel the previous night. It might be a thankless task but you don't cramp a match into a time slot that doesn't take warmup into account. Also just herd on radio that cork management asked for more time for warmup. It was supposed to be freezing in Dublin and not to be allowed basis amenities ie warmup is a health and safety issue.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 09/12/2020 10:47:40    2320575

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I'm a bit saddened by the reaction of people saying the galway ladies were at fault. They were clearly treated improperly as were Cork ( and cork have backed galway completely but obviously have an AI final to prepare for so arent as vocal)

The ladies followed all covid guidelines, didnt complain about the venue change just requested adequate time to warm up. All they asked for was adequate time to warm up but many of you think that they shouldve just got out of the dressing room quicker . 14 mins was all they had .

The men wouldnt get treated like this and nor should they. The LGFA treated those ladies appallingly. and the latest statement from The chairwoman where she mentions underfunding vs the mens fundingis just further deflection. Yes they are underfunded but that had nothing to do with how the woman were treated.

The GAA were very accommodating and I definitely think the LGFA were hoping they would get the blame again . Just like with the venue change in Limerick where the GAA had to come forward and say the LGFA was aware from the beginning if limerick bet galway they would be using the grounds but went ahead anyway

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 09/12/2020 12:06:10    2320602

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Replying To galwayfball:  "I'm a bit saddened by the reaction of people saying the galway ladies were at fault. They were clearly treated improperly as were Cork ( and cork have backed galway completely but obviously have an AI final to prepare for so arent as vocal)

The ladies followed all covid guidelines, didnt complain about the venue change just requested adequate time to warm up. All they asked for was adequate time to warm up but many of you think that they shouldve just got out of the dressing room quicker . 14 mins was all they had .

The men wouldnt get treated like this and nor should they. The LGFA treated those ladies appallingly. and the latest statement from The chairwoman where she mentions underfunding vs the mens fundingis just further deflection. Yes they are underfunded but that had nothing to do with how the woman were treated.

The GAA were very accommodating and I definitely think the LGFA were hoping they would get the blame again . Just like with the venue change in Limerick where the GAA had to come forward and say the LGFA was aware from the beginning if limerick bet galway they would be using the grounds but went ahead anyway"
So why did Cork stay overnight? Because they were better prepared

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 09/12/2020 13:40:35    2320642

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Replying To befair:  "So why did Cork stay overnight? Because they were better prepared"
Cork camp interviewed this morning also requested more warm up time and yet again have backed Galways claim that not enough warm up time was given to either team. And both teams were not told of the change from 1.30pm to 1pm until the last minute

Galway have never questioned that Cork were the better team

So now it's not just Galway saying they werent given adequate warm up time the winners are

But you think it's ok to do this

Galway girls had a 90 min to 2 hour to Parnell based on where they all live but some of the cork girls would have had 4 hours . Outside of covid the Galway ladies would have been in a hotel

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 09/12/2020 14:04:35    2320657

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I expect all the complainers here will be volunteering for club/county boards on the LGFA. BTW; it's unpaid, exhausting, and thankless

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 09/12/2020 15:52:14    2320704

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Replying To befair:  "I expect all the complainers here will be volunteering for club/county boards on the LGFA. BTW; it's unpaid, exhausting, and thankless"
Aah so you blame the players the unpaid ones who give more time than anyone and sacrifice more than anyone else with little to no reward and want to be treated with respect . agreed twice to a venue change without a word of complaint and all they asked for was sufficient warm up time.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 09/12/2020 16:41:12    2320748

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Replying To befair:  "Galway should have also stayed in Dublin the night before, as Cork did. A two-hour drive is no preparation for a 1pm kick-off; 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.' But sure, blame the LGFA rather than accept responsibility. As anyone involved knows, ladies' football has few resources and organising it is a thankless task"
It doesn't require much resources to agree a venue and a back-up venue for an All Ireland Semi-Final, it can be done over the phone or by email. Ensuring the arrangement is sensible and practical requires a bit of cop-on, that's all. The arrangement with LIT Gaelic Grounds was neither sensible nor practical. It wouldn't take a genius to figure that Limerick would probably qualify for this year's All Ireland Final - why would anyone agree to such a dodgy arrangement? I don't understand why the Gaelic Grounds would make such an offer either, tbh. It makes no sense to me. It reflects poorly on both sides and then to project the blame onto the players is pathetic.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1803 - 09/12/2020 17:13:02    2320759

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I know it's two different codes,I think it's a pity both teams and managers didn't leave the field in croke park just as happened in Paris with soccer last night..for a team to be told there getting 10 mins to warm up and for ref to be blowing whistle telling them to hurry on..it's disgrsceful,wouldn't happen in any men's games....would both teams have been thrown out,I doubt it..the lgfa have certainly left a lot to be desired..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2217 - 09/12/2020 17:16:04    2320760

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Replying To befair:  "I expect all the complainers here will be volunteering for club/county boards on the LGFA. BTW; it's unpaid, exhausting, and thankless"
Well most people not all on those forums are involved in Gaa at some grade be it club or county. We do it for the love of sports. I know for definite the LGFA are sending emails to clubs every week stressing the importance about players welfare etc. If anyone thinks players welfare was at the forefront last weekend,( when both managers asked for more time) well those people should not be involved in sport. For Gaa president to come out and add insult to injury by saying the girls spent too long in dressing is nothing short of disrespect to players. Individuals with this frame of mind should consider their position.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 09/12/2020 17:35:12    2320769

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Replying To Toman:  "Well most people not all on those forums are involved in Gaa at some grade be it club or county. We do it for the love of sports. I know for definite the LGFA are sending emails to clubs every week stressing the importance about players welfare etc. If anyone thinks players welfare was at the forefront last weekend,( when both managers asked for more time) well those people should not be involved in sport. For Gaa president to come out and add insult to injury by saying the girls spent too long in dressing is nothing short of disrespect to players. Individuals with this frame of mind should consider their position."
Did the GAA president say that?

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 09/12/2020 18:02:00    2320784

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