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Limerick against Waterford. All Ireland Hurling Final 2020

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Clare has won two of three and Cork have three out of five, where as Galway have appeared in six finals and lost five of them."
Clare has won 1 All Irl in the past 20 years. Cork have won none since Galway joined the Leinster championship in 2009. The only team to have competed with Kk since then and have a decent strike rate is Tipp, Cork won their last one in 2005. There hasnt been a big three since Cody took charge of KK. Galway had no proper preparaion for Croke Park pre 2009, since then they have been as competitive as most bar KK and Tipp.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 09:30:58    2320959

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Replying To Canuck:  "The answer is he should not be doing it. However if the last game was an example of favouring Waterford then we are screwed. 2-16 from 2-17 came from play in a 40 minute second half while the great T.J. was enhancing is scoring stats."
If the GAA were to train and select referees from Ulster and Connacht for the AIF eg Antrim & Down, Roscommon & Mayo they could not be accused of provincial bias but the GAA is still stuck in provincialism. In Galway's case having a ref from a Leinster county that vehemerntly opposed their participation in the Leinster championship, as happened recently, is unfortunate.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 09:55:07    2320968

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Replying To baire:  "Clare has won 1 All Irl in the past 20 years. Cork have won none since Galway joined the Leinster championship in 2009. The only team to have competed with Kk since then and have a decent strike rate is Tipp, Cork won their last one in 2005. There hasnt been a big three since Cody took charge of KK. Galway had no proper preparaion for Croke Park pre 2009, since then they have been as competitive as most bar KK and Tipp."
Ah will go away with your 'proper preparation', Kerry had walk overs for donkeys years in Munster and it never stopped them winning in Croke Park. Almost all the time Limerick, Clare or Waterford got out of the bear pit that is Munster were taking on Leinster teams who were usually far more used to playing in Croke Park. The fact is Galway were in Munster for ten years, and let me add at all levels from day one, and they only won game V Clare and ran back to Connacht. BTW, ye picked the right province to go to the next time. If Waterford win on Sunday The McCarthy Cup will have rested in five different Munster counties in sixteen years. Between them, Clare Waterford and Limerick won ten of the last twenty Under 21 titles while the real Leinster counties, apary from KK, have won nothing at National Level, except a National League Title won by Dublin.
Galway would be far better off concentrating on why, with such such a huge hurling population they have lost such a huge percentage of the All Irelands they played in, rather that worrying how other counties are doing.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 10/12/2020 10:31:26    2320975

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Replying To baire:  "When was the last time Cork won an All Ireland? Waterford beat KK this year, something Limerick failed to do last year. What's your point?"
Cork have thirty All Irelands my friend- never ever under estimate them.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 10/12/2020 10:33:23    2320976

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "This was the only time in the games history that any team beat the big three and also dethroned the All Ireland Champions on the way to All Ireland Glory A splendid achievement indeed"
2 All Ireland's in 79years is good going for LK.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 10/12/2020 10:47:11    2320981

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Cork have thirty All Irelands my friend- never ever under estimate them."
I'm not your friend, I was merely questioning your reasoning and your data. On a thread about this year's All Ireland Final you seem very keen to criticise Galway's record in All Ireland Finals. I have great regard for Cork and their hurling. There's a long unbroken tradition of club hurling in both Cork and Galway, something that can't be said about many other 'traditional' counties, a tradition passed on in each parish long before the GAA was formed, without any financial assistance but purely for the love of the game. Have a look at Galway's record at club level and then come back to me on the appropriate thread after the final.
Since Limerick has such great record in AIFs you should concentrate on Waterford and hope that they'll be able to keep the sliotar pucked out to ye!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 11:16:12    2320989

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah will go away with your 'proper preparation', Kerry had walk overs for donkeys years in Munster and it never stopped them winning in Croke Park. Almost all the time Limerick, Clare or Waterford got out of the bear pit that is Munster were taking on Leinster teams who were usually far more used to playing in Croke Park. The fact is Galway were in Munster for ten years, and let me add at all levels from day one, and they only won game V Clare and ran back to Connacht. BTW, ye picked the right province to go to the next time. If Waterford win on Sunday The McCarthy Cup will have rested in five different Munster counties in sixteen years. Between them, Clare Waterford and Limerick won ten of the last twenty Under 21 titles while the real Leinster counties, apary from KK, have won nothing at National Level, except a National League Title won by Dublin.
Galway would be far better off concentrating on why, with such such a huge hurling population they have lost such a huge percentage of the All Irelands they played in, rather that worrying how other counties are doing."
Don't you worry about Galway or Leinster hurling keep your eye on the money and JP's team!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 11:24:00    2320992

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Replying To endgame:  "Galway rarely win All-Ireland hurling Finals.About 1 in 5 which is a poor strike rate."
What's the Roscommon strike rate? Which Connacht county voted against allowing Tony Keady to play in the 1989 All Ireland Semi-Final? Roscommon weren't keen on helping Galway's strike rate then! Hang your heads in shame!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 11:58:08    2320998

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Replying To baire:  "When was the last time Cork won an All Ireland? Waterford beat KK this year, something Limerick failed to do last year. What's your point?"
If you read the post I was replying to, you will then get the point.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/12/2020 11:59:52    2321000

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Replying To katser:  "2 All Ireland's in 79years is good going for LK."
And one from 1887 to 1979 was brilliant for a county with at least three times more hurlers that Limerick

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 10/12/2020 12:00:52    2321001

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Replying To baire:  "I'm not your friend, I was merely questioning your reasoning and your data. On a thread about this year's All Ireland Final you seem very keen to criticise Galway's record in All Ireland Finals. I have great regard for Cork and their hurling. There's a long unbroken tradition of club hurling in both Cork and Galway, something that can't be said about many other 'traditional' counties, a tradition passed on in each parish long before the GAA was formed, without any financial assistance but purely for the love of the game. Have a look at Galway's record at club level and then come back to me on the appropriate thread after the final.
Since Limerick has such great record in AIFs you should concentrate on Waterford and hope that they'll be able to keep the sliotar pucked out to ye!"
As I said before I remember their '57 to '63 team,- a fine team-. If they do win on Sunday like the vast majority of Limerick hurling people, I will heartily congratulate them and I will be delighted that five Munster teams have won the All Ireland in the past sixteen years. If defeated we wont be looking back, criticising refs or singling out any one county for constant and selective criticism - instead we will be looking forward to our next game.
As regards Galway poor All Ireland Final record several hurling people from all over the country, are amazed that a county with so many so great clubs and so wide a hurling heartland, in both town and country, has won so few All Irelands. Even a fellow Galway contributor has pointed commented on this on another thread in the past few weeks. You speak about their great record at club level and one has to wonder why that has not contributed to more success that it has at the top level. On a brighter note with the many fine minor teams they have produced over the last four years, Galway should be the team of the twenties, but we will have to wait and see. If they are more luck to them. One of the reasons I criticised Galway in the past was in response to some Galway who seem every attempt to denigrate our successs in'18. One even Limerick was not a hurling county. Of course that three are only three counties that have won All Irelands in three different Centuries. Limerick were winning Munster and All Ireland titles long before JPs time.
Anyway I will leave it there as for the moment I amtoo busy and too nervous looking forward to our lads taking on this fine Waterford side to be discussing the fortunes of sides that are out of the competition for this year

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 10/12/2020 12:23:24    2321007

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Replying To endgame:  "Galway rarely win All-Ireland hurling Finals.About 1 in 5 which is a poor strike rate."
In fairness Roscommon never did any good when it came to hurling and their Co.Board in 1989 proved that when they voted against the late great Tony Keady been denied to play the game he loved so much in the '89 All Ireland Semi Final.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 10/12/2020 12:53:46    2321016

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah will go away with your 'proper preparation', Kerry had walk overs for donkeys years in Munster and it never stopped them winning in Croke Park. Almost all the time Limerick, Clare or Waterford got out of the bear pit that is Munster were taking on Leinster teams who were usually far more used to playing in Croke Park. The fact is Galway were in Munster for ten years, and let me add at all levels from day one, and they only won game V Clare and ran back to Connacht. BTW, ye picked the right province to go to the next time. If Waterford win on Sunday The McCarthy Cup will have rested in five different Munster counties in sixteen years. Between them, Clare Waterford and Limerick won ten of the last twenty Under 21 titles while the real Leinster counties, apary from KK, have won nothing at National Level, except a National League Title won by Dublin.
Galway would be far better off concentrating on why, with such such a huge hurling population they have lost such a huge percentage of the All Irelands they played in, rather that worrying how other counties are doing."
Great post Oldtourman. Thanks for your insight!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1359 - 10/12/2020 13:27:24    2321032

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I was delighted to see Galway win in 2017 and Limerick win in 2018. Best of luck to both teams on Sunday but I sincerely hope Waterford end their long wait.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 10/12/2020 13:39:55    2321033

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This is hurling, Limerick have set the standard and are warm favourite. I will be shouting for Waterford as the underdog which gives them a big chance which I hope they take

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 10/12/2020 15:08:30    2321065

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Can ye set up a separate thread on Galway and limericks new rivalry and then argue away about your history?

Might be worth chatting about the likes of Bennett and Hegarty or De Burca or Hannon on this thread? A bit of insight or how you see things going would be nice

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/12/2020 15:34:57    2321072

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Replying To katser:  "In fairness Roscommon never did any good when it came to hurling and their Co.Board in 1989 proved that when they voted against the late great Tony Keady been denied to play the game he loved so much in the '89 All Ireland Semi Final."
BTW, What way did Limerick vote on that issue since you know how the Rossies voted. Anyway if the Galway Management team and County Board had just made the point that if Tony Keady was injured they would have had to play on and they might never have been beaten. Instead all Galway seemed to overplay the 'look how hard done we were' crack, lost focus and Tipp ended up benefitting. Tipp had the same situation with Paul Delaney in 91 but the canney 'auld devils' simply quietly dropped Paul and reaped the rewards. Yes it was hard on Galway, but like Clare in '98, people who should have known better reacted wrongly.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 10/12/2020 15:56:23    2321080

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "BTW, What way did Limerick vote on that issue since you know how the Rossies voted. Anyway if the Galway Management team and County Board had just made the point that if Tony Keady was injured they would have had to play on and they might never have been beaten. Instead all Galway seemed to overplay the 'look how hard done we were' crack, lost focus and Tipp ended up benefitting. Tipp had the same situation with Paul Delaney in 91 but the canney 'auld devils' simply quietly dropped Paul and reaped the rewards. Yes it was hard on Galway, but like Clare in '98, people who should have known better reacted wrongly."
Who will mark Hegarty on Sunday?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 10/12/2020 16:08:38    2321083

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Can ye set up a separate thread on Galway and limericks new rivalry and then argue away about your history?

Might be worth chatting about the likes of Bennett and Hegarty or De Burca or Hannon on this thread? A bit of insight or how you see things going would be nice"
Your dead right today is the first time I went back on Hogan stand in a week. The bullsh*t needs to stop or only a handful of posters will be left.

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 10/12/2020 16:25:42    2321089

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Replying To baire:  "Who will mark Hegarty on Sunday?"
Has anybody heard any update on Gillane's fitness?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 10/12/2020 16:50:55    2321094

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