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Replying To Galway9801: "The idea of there being equality of opportunity in the GAA is a nonsense,leaving aside funding. You could be the greatest player who ever lived but if you're born or live in the wrong county you'll be lucky to appear on a tg4 highlight reel.
Equality of opportunity sounds great but there are counties with bigger populations than say, kerry, and have achieved less in football,, and I believe that that's not down to sinister greedy men in suits but because kerry going way back have a tradition of coaching the game,, being committed to developing it, getting kids playing it,,while other counties didn't,, and that love for the game has helped them to build success and strong teams and helped with fundraising etc
Ditto kilkenny /tipp in hurling etc." Do you think the people in other counties love the sports less than Kerry and Kilkenny, or work less hard for them ? Also this traditional card is the foot on the throat of a more diverse achievement. To flippantly dismiss money as a factor is the nonsense and a major leave a side. If Mayo in hurling and Waterford in football had a sugar daddy that pumped money in from the crib and school play ground up, don't you believe that would change their fortunes in time, despite the disparity of present day levels ? The GAA as an organization that certainly started out amateur has done well enough to give all an opportunity to succeed but in the year 2020 to not recognize the influence money is having is to be in denial.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 14/12/2020 20:25:35
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Replying To Canuck: "Do you think the people in other counties love the sports less than Kerry and Kilkenny, or work less hard for them ? Also this traditional card is the foot on the throat of a more diverse achievement. To flippantly dismiss money as a factor is the nonsense and a major leave a side. If Mayo in hurling and Waterford in football had a sugar daddy that pumped money in from the crib and school play ground up, don't you believe that would change their fortunes in time, despite the disparity of present day levels ? The GAA as an organization that certainly started out amateur has done well enough to give all an opportunity to succeed but in the year 2020 to not recognize the influence money is having is to be in denial." I do not disagree Canuck. 8 have always argued that to be successful a county needs money and like life itself its not fair. Some counties including my own have more than others. The gaa being amateur is a joke. Many getting big wages in the gaa. Even the GPA set up for players (some on big money). I remember reading years a certain man in the gaa had his house renovated by the contractors doing up C.P.the gaa is pro and maybe the last of the amateurs are the club players. Senior inter County players with the top counties get plenty of perks too. Could Waterford improve with more money? Absolutely.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 14/12/2020 21:36:16
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Replying To Canuck: "Do you think the people in other counties love the sports less than Kerry and Kilkenny, or work less hard for them ? Also this traditional card is the foot on the throat of a more diverse achievement. To flippantly dismiss money as a factor is the nonsense and a major leave a side. If Mayo in hurling and Waterford in football had a sugar daddy that pumped money in from the crib and school play ground up, don't you believe that would change their fortunes in time, despite the disparity of present day levels ? The GAA as an organization that certainly started out amateur has done well enough to give all an opportunity to succeed but in the year 2020 to not recognize the influence money is having is to be in denial." I absolutely believe that there is more love for gaelic football in kerry than in,, say,, carlow, avd more love for hurling on kilkenny than mayo. Of course there is,, and Kerry's success is built from 100 plus years of dedication,passing the game down from father to son, not some "sugar daddy" as you put it.
My own county has way more people than kerry but many of them are more interested in other sports and thats part of the reason we rarely beat kerry.
Ive no doubt that if that type of love for the game existed in lesser counties there'd be no shortage of sponsors or businesses queuing up to contribute.
Side note:kerry was an example,, there are a tonne of dedicated football people volunteering in Dublin, giving up their time to coach kids etc so I don't want kerry posters using me to have a go at the dubs.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1697 - 14/12/2020 22:04:54
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Replying To Canuck: "Do you think the people in other counties love the sports less than Kerry and Kilkenny, or work less hard for them ? Also this traditional card is the foot on the throat of a more diverse achievement. To flippantly dismiss money as a factor is the nonsense and a major leave a side. If Mayo in hurling and Waterford in football had a sugar daddy that pumped money in from the crib and school play ground up, don't you believe that would change their fortunes in time, despite the disparity of present day levels ? The GAA as an organization that certainly started out amateur has done well enough to give all an opportunity to succeed but in the year 2020 to not recognize the influence money is having is to be in denial." Most people in Donegal couldn't care less about hurling. It was always confined to a small number of club in the good farming areas in the east (mostly Burt). Pretty sure a Fermanagh club used to compete in the 60s. This isn't a slight against hurling. It's just the way sports develop. Same for west Clare and west Cork. Tradition is actually very important. It often takes a long time to grow a new sport. Progess has been made. Dungloe has a hurling team which draws players from Gweedore and Naomh Mhuire but football will always be king in Donegal followed by soccer.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 22:32:54
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Replying To Galway9801: "I absolutely believe that there is more love for gaelic football in kerry than in,, say,, carlow, avd more love for hurling on kilkenny than mayo. Of course there is,, and Kerry's success is built from 100 plus years of dedication,passing the game down from father to son, not some "sugar daddy" as you put it.
My own county has way more people than kerry but many of them are more interested in other sports and thats part of the reason we rarely beat kerry.
Ive no doubt that if that type of love for the game existed in lesser counties there'd be no shortage of sponsors or businesses queuing up to contribute.
Side note:kerry was an example,, there are a tonne of dedicated football people volunteering in Dublin, giving up their time to coach kids etc so I don't want kerry posters using me to have a go at the dubs." Yes there is probably a lot in that especially in the past. I remember the successful days of Waterford soccer and the out pouring of love and adoration. We the public tend to give those things based on success. There are much more love for our hurlers today than soccer except for the die hard supporters. However i still think that money plays a much bigger part in success now and will in future than it did in the past. Just used the "sugar daddy " term in the sense of a big sponsor.
There are a tremendous number of volunteers in every county now giving time to kids in both football and hurling. Even those counties who are weaker in one or the other. It would be a pity if money was the defining factor in they continuing to do so.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 14/12/2020 22:51:11
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Replying To Galway9801: "I absolutely believe that there is more love for gaelic football in kerry than in,, say,, carlow, avd more love for hurling on kilkenny than mayo. Of course there is,, and Kerry's success is built from 100 plus years of dedication,passing the game down from father to son, not some "sugar daddy" as you put it.
My own county has way more people than kerry but many of them are more interested in other sports and thats part of the reason we rarely beat kerry.
Ive no doubt that if that type of love for the game existed in lesser counties there'd be no shortage of sponsors or businesses queuing up to contribute.
Side note:kerry was an example,, there are a tonne of dedicated football people volunteering in Dublin, giving up their time to coach kids etc so I don't want kerry posters using me to have a go at the dubs." Nail on the head lad
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 15/12/2020 08:37:09
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Replying To Canuck: "Yes there is probably a lot in that especially in the past. I remember the successful days of Waterford soccer and the out pouring of love and adoration. We the public tend to give those things based on success. There are much more love for our hurlers today than soccer except for the die hard supporters. However i still think that money plays a much bigger part in success now and will in future than it did in the past. Just used the "sugar daddy " term in the sense of a big sponsor.
There are a tremendous number of volunteers in every county now giving time to kids in both football and hurling. Even those counties who are weaker in one or the other. It would be a pity if money was the defining factor in they continuing to do so." That we can agree on,, anything that gets kids playing our wonderful games should be welcomed
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1697 - 15/12/2020 10:38:02
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