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Talk again about dividing Dublin up. Where do you draw the line when a county should be broke up? Cork have 259 clubs. Waterford have 56. More than 4 times as many. Some counties with less I am sure.There seems to be more than money driving this conversation about Dublin. Like success. If Cork start winning five All-Ireland hurlings in a row should they be broke up ? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 06/12/2020 17:35:04 2319336 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "That is just emotive nonsense Jim, a load of straw man waffle about volunteering, nothing of substance whatsoever as usual and then you say others lack balance. It is funny Jim, I will give you that Certainly impressive from Mayo today, let's see if they can finish the job in two weeks time." Nothing of substance? What Ballymun have done as a club and given Dublin is insubstantial ? Whatever you say ya daft brush haha Just keeping clinging onto your Ewan McKenna articles.. You discrediting dozens of Dublin players that had no relation to GDF is full of substance then is it? If I hadn't brought you up on it you'd still be waffling on claiming otherwise You're the one clinging onto the daft registered players silliness.. You have to laugh at your complete ignorance Mayo further showing up your own complete inadequacy tonight It's incredible the selective condemnation that comes Dublin's way from self serving posters with agendas jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/12/2020 17:35:17 2319337 Link
Replying To CTGAA10: "Can I ask the question,if it's down to money why are dublin not dominating hurling or even getting to latter stages of minor or under 20/21 competitions?" Partly because some of the best Dublin hurlers eg COC & CK won't play or are discouraged to play for the hurlers. Dublin GAA are not really interested promoting our native game. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 06/12/2020 17:47:12 2319346 Link
Any team in the top tier needs money to compete. To win you need top players too but money is important too. Funny enough since the funding Dublin have become a top tier county in hurling and won leinster championship. Offaly s lack of money and r esourses have turned them from top tier to lower tier. Limerick have been getting plenty of money too over last ten years with sponsorship and JP. No county will win without money and that's is why the gaa should fund the poorer counties properly. The top tier have no money problems. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 06/12/2020 17:50:15 2319350 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "I for one am getting really tired of this money thing. Everyone has different opinions and breakdowns etc. I don't claim to know the full story and I have read some interesting articles from Username and others on this forum. Now Username I don't agree on all your figures but you make a good argument. On the money Yes the gaa gave Dublin more money than every other county and not because of population (per head) and yes it was and is wrong. The gaa are a national group and they should look after every county properly. But my biggest problem is the money issue is being blamed on Dublin's success. No county will win much without money nowadays but as I've explained before money might make a difference between the top and bottom counties but at the top alot of the counties have plenty of money. My own county received vast amounts of money from sponsorship USA and Kerry group are one of the biggest companies in Europe. No Kerry player wanted for anything and yes because of money they have free gym membership free physios expenses use of swimming pools holidays etc. The difference between Dublin and the other top tier counties at the mó is Dublin are a better team full stop. Very few were complaining about Dublin's money until they started to dominate. That domination will end soon but if other teams have the same attitude as some posters here with a negative attitude it will be a slow end. Once again I will say yes the gaa are wrong but it's very unfair to blame the Dublin team. Money did not make them the team they are. Yes the game is getting a little boring but that's natural when one team is dominating and we all waiting for them to lose. Also I don't get all the doom and gloom. Yes Dublin will more than likely win Sam again this year but a new year is just around the corner and teams will be back challenging again." Mick this is a thread called funding and fairness, if you're tired of it there's other threads for you, also don't believe everything username posts hes economical with the thruth to say the least and uses multiple accounts to back his up his own posts. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/12/2020 18:02:42 2319358 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Nothing of substance? What Ballymun have done as a club and given Dublin is insubstantial ? Whatever you say ya daft brush haha Just keeping clinging onto your Ewan McKenna articles.. You discrediting dozens of Dublin players that had no relation to GDF is full of substance then is it? If I hadn't brought you up on it you'd still be waffling on claiming otherwise You're the one clinging onto the daft registered players silliness.. You have to laugh at your complete ignorance Mayo further showing up your own complete inadequacy tonight It's incredible the selective condemnation that comes Dublin's way from self serving posters with agendas" I have not mentioned registered players once on this thread Jim, what are you on about? Dozens of other on the thread saying the same thing and you keep coming after me with your volunteering nonsense, as if no other county has volunteers, it's hugely disrespectful and ignorant of other counties efforts. Former president of the GAA even publicly acknowledged the issue 'mission accomplished' I believe were his exact words, respected commentators like McGuinness are also commenting on the imbalance. Lash out at me all you want, everyone can see the issue and a lot of people are starting to ask some uncomfortable questions. I get that you are annoyed by that but at least read what I have written before you go on the attack. I'll leave it there anyway Jim, I have learned over the years that it is utterly pointless debating with you. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/12/2020 18:27:12 2319379 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "It's funny Gerry There you go again discrediting the dozens of Dublin players that had no access to GDF nothing would be won without those players and all the success was built on their shoulders The spine of the team coming from Ballymun Kickhams who only survived as a club thanks to the work of a few passionate men, no club house, no fancy bar, small amount of members and a very disadvantaged area. Look at the players that they've produced. It's incredible work You've zero balance to your arguments The registered players funding of numbers is just not accurate and I'm not going to back down from exposing the inaccurate misinformation regarding it. And why can't I correctly point out that a large % of funding isn't even spent on young boys. It's also spent on Hurling. That really changes the amount of funding that's been accessed to get young boys playing football but only the overall fugure is mentioned. Its just not accurate. There's also been a huge amount of funds pumped in directly from Dublin clubs, that's rarely acknowledged. So why can't that be addressed exactly? Again zero balance, just shouting down facts and there's much more going on regarding this subject. Look at what a real contender is doing to Tipp right now. Making a laughing stock out Kerrys efforts Kerry want for absolutely nothing, and have sizeable financial advantages over most. Fair fecks to Mayo for further exposing the mess that Kerry made of this year's championship. Mayo hammering a Div 3 side Where's the outrage.. haha" I wonder where Sean Kelly's consistency is! :D Politician in telling their voters what they want to hear shocker. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 18:45:46 2319395 Link
Replying To baire: "Partly because some of the best Dublin hurlers eg COC & CK won't play or are discouraged to play for the hurlers. Dublin GAA are not really interested promoting our native game." Applies more to quite a substantial number of counties. Dublin promotes hurling and works hard at it. They have a vibrant club scene, clubs treat each codes equally. The success of football has enhanced its popularity, look at Dublin ladies football. The best GAA players in Dublin tend to be duel players and ultimately they opt for football. Those are the realities, Dublin hurling is suffering like the rest of Leinster football by Dublins success. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 06/12/2020 18:52:06 2319399 Link
You can put as much funding into a team as you want but it is up to players to work hard sacrifice and do the right things every day to get the end result. What these Dublin players have done is nothing short of remarkable in the last couple of years they have brought the game to new heights and challenged others to raise there game. I don't agree with how much funding they get but let's be honest the players they have do deserve some credit for the results they have got and doing 5 in a row. Do people on here be live that if the same money was pumped into a division 3 or 4 team like Dublin that they would win 5 in a row also. Without money they same 4 5 teams have always been winning all Ireland and making 4 5 finals in a row and has happened in both codes. The top 5 on football roll of honour have won 89 championships between them has the all Ireland ever been a strong competition where any team could win it. I don't think so if Dublin didn't do 5 in a row last year would this still be a hot topic. ITSCHOLAR (Carlow) - Posts: 291 - 06/12/2020 18:53:26 2319401 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Mick this is a thread called funding and fairness, if you're tired of it there's other threads for you, also don't believe everything username posts hes economical with the thruth to say the least and uses multiple accounts to back his up his own posts." Now Kboy I have to take things ar face value and if Username says he has only one account I believe him. If he has others I don't particularly care. I don't agree in all his views but he does make a good case for his views. However I have my plop iníon too and I Agree that Dublin get too much money from the gaa I don't believe that's why they are an excellent team.On Ballymun they might be a poor club but i got it from a very reliable source they were able to pay a manager a few years back large sums of money. That manager is no longer with them.. The reason. The thread is tiresome is because all the big counties can get all the money they want anyway outside of gaa..Money can give a player good grub. Free gym membership massages free sponsored car free gear and clothes but it can't make him kick or Puck the ball over the bar. It also won't help you run faster than Eoin McLoughlin or Jack McCaffery. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 06/12/2020 19:11:00 2319416 Link
Fairness is not part of the gaa hierarchy and based on dub fans on here it is not part of thier thinking either. But attached is a link that shows the huge advantage of funding for coaching taken from the annual reports over the last 10 years or so. €18m for Dublin next county is Cork at €1.5m over the same period. https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=20 Truely embarrassing that we are at this stage. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 06/12/2020 19:25:13 2319424 Link
I don't understand where some counties are coming from on this. If you look at County finances, Kerry made more in revenue last year then Dublin. If something needs to be done about Dublin, something needs to be done about other counties. Dublin income: 2019: €5.25 mill https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html Kerry income 2019: €6.14mill https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/4844786/kerry-gaa-profit-the-kingdom-finances-all-ireland/ I swear no anyone actually looks into what they post here and the validity of it. An old coach used to say to us: "Winners worry about how to keep winning, losers worry about winners". Never change. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 19:26:09 2319425 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Now Kboy I have to take things ar face value and if Username says he has only one account I believe him. If he has others I don't particularly care. I don't agree in all his views but he does make a good case for his views. However I have my plop iníon too and I Agree that Dublin get too much money from the gaa I don't believe that's why they are an excellent team.On Ballymun they might be a poor club but i got it from a very reliable source they were able to pay a manager a few years back large sums of money. That manager is no longer with them.. The reason. The thread is tiresome is because all the big counties can get all the money they want anyway outside of gaa..Money can give a player good grub. Free gym membership massages free sponsored car free gear and clothes but it can't make him kick or Puck the ball over the bar. It also won't help you run faster than Eoin McLoughlin or Jack McCaffery." Fair play Mick, we're not all here to agree. I tend not to look at County you are from, but rather how people treat others as sports people then decide if I want to interact with them. I decided a long time ago to ignore the majority of Kerry posters on here, that has nothing to do with a lack of respect for Kerry GAA which I have a lot of admiration for. But rather the people involved and not being interested in them as people, their as I don't respect how they are as sports/people or their opinions and prefer not to interact with them. You've been a very welcome addition on as even if we don't agree, we can make our points without the personalised stuff you see from some above. I was always thought to play the ball not the man and to win and loose with humility and dignity. The internet is a simple game, interact with people you want to, have fun and ignore the morons, don't take it all to seriously. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 19:44:32 2319437 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "I don't understand where some counties are coming from on this. If you look at County finances, Kerry made more in revenue last year then Dublin. If something needs to be done about Dublin, something needs to be done about other counties. Dublin income: 2019: €5.25 mill https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html Kerry income 2019: €6.14mill https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/4844786/kerry-gaa-profit-the-kingdom-finances-all-ireland/ I swear no anyone actually looks into what they post here and the validity of it. An old coach used to say to us: "Winners worry about how to keep winning, losers worry about winners". Never change." I'm not disputing that at all Username. I have always stated Kerry have no money problems. Most of that money is not from the Gaa though. The gaa have given Dublin more than every other county per registered player and that is fact not fiction and that's unfair to other counties. O always say it does nt affect Kerry or Mayo or Cork but facts are facts. My problem with it is that it's unfair. I never said its the reason Dublin have a great team because I don't believe that. I think it's wrong for that to be thrown at them. However I will throw it at the gaa that their actions are wrong. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 06/12/2020 19:49:36 2319440 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Fairness is not part of the gaa hierarchy and based on dub fans on here it is not part of thier thinking either. But attached is a link that shows the huge advantage of funding for coaching taken from the annual reports over the last 10 years or so. €18m for Dublin next county is Cork at €1.5m over the same period. https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=20 Truely embarrassing that we are at this stage." 11 years. But if you divide the finance in to the cumulative county populations over the same period it's fairly equal per head. Of course you will know, that all of the counties listed have their GDO's and GPA's paid for by a grant from their provincial council. Dublin don't get one as it gets a ISC grant. All the figures above don't include counties provincial grants over the past 11 years. I think if Journalists don't start to accurately report figures they could be sorry, they hang in the edge of causing a controversy just to be suggestible, without actually making accusations. Unless you've gone full Ewen and go around like post about Dublin players being stabbed. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 20:06:55 2319450 Link
Another walk in the park for the Dubs yesterday, I know its not Dublin's fault but there seems to be no interest in the football championship anymore, was in the bookmakers yesterday and all was been discussed was how much would Dublin win by, the handicap was - 12 and I won a few quid on them yet again, they have beaten the handicapper in their last 3 matches, its nearly like buying money. Just one question I have for my neighbours that some of you might be able to shed some light on, why have Dublin only won one minor all Ireland title in 36 years ? With the funding been put into grass roots should this not be much better ? I work with plenty of Dublin supporters and the feed back is very divided, the club man in Dublin is not happy with how the money is been distributed to clubs but the dubs fans ( no club ) connection don't seem to understand or care. Any thought from the dubs supporters who are members of a club and not just dubs supporters ? thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 06/12/2020 20:10:33 2319452 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "I don't understand where some counties are coming from on this. If you look at County finances, Kerry made more in revenue last year then Dublin. If something needs to be done about Dublin, something needs to be done about other counties. Dublin income: 2019: €5.25 mill https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html Kerry income 2019: €6.14mill https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/4844786/kerry-gaa-profit-the-kingdom-finances-all-ireland/ I swear no anyone actually looks into what they post here and the validity of it. An old coach used to say to us: "Winners worry about how to keep winning, losers worry about winners". Never change." In those very same accounts Dublin made an operating profit of approx €1m while kerry made a profit of €0.14m . Dublin GAA's commercial juggernaut has crashed through the €2m mark for 2019, climbing to €2,355,250 from €1,553,394 in 2018. It is an eye-watering return that puts all their rivals so far in the shade with the power of their brand increasing all the time. Even when the standard €185,000 that all counties get from the GAA's central sponsorship and media rights dividend is stripped out of the overall pot, the revenue from sponsors, led by AIG, amounts to €2,170,250. With deals that cover hotel, car, water, flight, gear, nutrition and menswear among other things, Dublin continue to operate on another level from the rest when it comes to commercial engagement. By contrast, their nearest football rivals Kerry took in €786,000 in commercial revenue while Cork, the biggest county in terms of clubs, generated €639,500 as money from main sponsors Chill Insurance dropped from €400,000 to €330,000 ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 06/12/2020 20:19:35 2319458 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "In those very same accounts Dublin made an operating profit of approx €1m while kerry made a profit of €0.14m . Dublin GAA's commercial juggernaut has crashed through the €2m mark for 2019, climbing to €2,355,250 from €1,553,394 in 2018. It is an eye-watering return that puts all their rivals so far in the shade with the power of their brand increasing all the time. Even when the standard €185,000 that all counties get from the GAA's central sponsorship and media rights dividend is stripped out of the overall pot, the revenue from sponsors, led by AIG, amounts to €2,170,250. With deals that cover hotel, car, water, flight, gear, nutrition and menswear among other things, Dublin continue to operate on another level from the rest when it comes to commercial engagement. By contrast, their nearest football rivals Kerry took in €786,000 in commercial revenue while Cork, the biggest county in terms of clubs, generated €639,500 as money from main sponsors Chill Insurance dropped from €400,000 to €330,000" Oh we are commercial juggernaut without question, I've no beef there, very difficult for anyone to compete. I was out in O Neills in Walkinstown earlier ques were massive and the girls literally couldn't stock the Dublin gear quick enough. No county can compete, well Mayo get pretty close, but no one is going to top Dublin commercially. I wouldn't apologise for that Still, there are many elements of finance and the fact remains income is income, it's ok for Kerry to have more annual income then Dublin, but Dublin need intervention. Not to mention the increased costs of operating in Dublin. Dublins figures are very public and if I asked the question, many would have said had more income then Kerry last year, sure half of Kerry on here are talking of Dublins advantages, yet they earn more income. I'm providing facts, to show no one really knows what they are talking about because, people presume and group think instead on properly analysing. Why do Dublin need intervention because of funding and Kerry don't, or Mayo for that matter. I'll tell you why because Dublin are winning, so that comes down to sporting resentment rather then an actual reasonable analysis of truth. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 20:40:36 2319478 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "11 years. But if you divide the finance in to the cumulative county populations over the same period it's fairly equal per head. Of course you will know, that all of the counties listed have their GDO's and GPA's paid for by a grant from their provincial council. Dublin don't get one as it gets a ISC grant. All the figures above don't include counties provincial grants over the past 11 years. I think if Journalists don't start to accurately report figures they could be sorry, they hang in the edge of causing a controversy just to be suggestible, without actually making accusations. Unless you've gone full Ewen and go around like post about Dublin players being stabbed." Accurately report . He got those numbers from the annual reports are you saying they are false. Also you muddy the water by saying other counties get leinster council funds but imply that dublin don't. As usual dublin supporters here deflect and pretend their is nothing to see, but the facts just prove otherwise. Also nobody talks about the money flooding directly into the club scene. Kilmacud croke = bank of Ireland St Vincents = Bank of ireland Culla = Huawei ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 06/12/2020 20:58:36 2319488 Link
People's concerns should be more about the game than all this nonsense about Dublin who have figured out how to dominate the game as now played with athleticism and no mean skill. Folks you got to admit that the ball played back from the opposite side of the pitch to the goaltender is an ugly sight. Maintaining possession by one player for minute or more looking for a space is ugly. One of the reasons for this is there is no legal tackle anymore. A player bearing down on goal dragged down. Again because there is no legal tackle. It is now clear that there seems to be exceeding difficult to come up with a strategy to beat the now played system so some rule changes are require. 1. The ball has to go forward from 40 meters out both sides of the pitch defending and attacking. (it is not soccer) 2. Allow a frontal charge hands down shoulder once not to the head. After all if these player are pumped up from the gym and can take it. 3. Put the ball back on the ground for all dead ball kicks. Players now running all over the place before kicking out of their hand. Before being accused I am not anti football and also see this going backwards creeping into hurling. The only difference it is easier to be turned over. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 06/12/2020 20:58:50 2319490 Link