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Yes I think so, the have shown that they can be competitive and they have the hurlers. they do need more help to get to the next level, location is a big problem for them though.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 14/12/2020 10:27:33 2322229 Link 0 |
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Yes it would be great to help Antrim. On the population thing though alot of the population though one has to remember because of religion and politics alot don't play gaelic games but it would be great to see Antrim competing at the top again.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 14:20:29 2322306 Link 0 |
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We Don't all have a sugar daddy bank rolling gaa in our county. Limerick are blessed to have jp.
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/12/2020 15:00:58 2322321 Link 4 |
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That Limerick and JP have a deal going is irrelevant No counties should agree as they are not going to look for that deal in future if the money is just going to go to their rivals. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 14/12/2020 15:38:53 2322327 Link 0 |
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Well done on missing the point. What sports share their sponsors income like you suggest. Would Man United agree to give some of their sponsorship/commercial income to any of their rivals? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 14/12/2020 15:48:53 2322332 Link 0 |
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Again making a comparison with a professional business. Is that what we want ? Where success is determined by who has the most money. If it is we are well on the road to that already. How would you feel if a cap was put on how much any county can receive in sponsorship to level the playing field ? Just wondering ? I am sure the teams with the best players would still win but would not deny them success against someone else who were the second best but had more money and resources. Limerick in hurling have the best players at present and one can not but admire their skill and athleticism. The fact they like Dublin use what is available to them and are breaking no rules they should not draw criticism. However our sport needs to make up its mind what its identity is and how to preserve it with equality in opportunity. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 14/12/2020 17:03:22 2322358 Link 0 |
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What exactly do you want here? To have every team to be competitive? Dublin and Kerry have always dominated football. Same for the big 3 in hurling. No amount of structural reform will change that.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 17:18:11 2322359 Link 1 |
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You seem to completely miss the point. There has always been teams that dominate but is it acceptable that money invested is an underline reason for that domination or success in today's games ? If it is say so and admit that the age of professionalism is here now in Gaelic Games with the can of worms that brings. Never said I know what structural reform will change that but neither do you or anyone else know it won't either. Just like you having an opinion.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 14/12/2020 17:58:14 2322375 Link 0 |
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Theyre still sports at their most basic level. Sponsorship shouldnt be capped. What sports share the income they get from sponsors with rivals? Professional or amatuer? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 14/12/2020 18:06:25 2322379 Link 1 |
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You are correct Killingfields. What JP gives Limerick is Limericks business and no one else. If the gaa are giving Limerick money that's everyone s business. Congrats again yesterday.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 18:23:07 2322387 Link 0 |
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I have no problem with what a team gets from sponsers or fundraising Canuck. My problem is gaa giving money unfairly. To me it's the weaker counties that should benefit more from Gaa finance and help them. No team can succeed without money. Of course talent is needed too but the day of a poor county winning or competing an all ireland is gone. Of course we lucky in Kerry too with Kerry group but if we had to share why would we bother with fundraising. I'd love to see Offaly Leitrim and these teams get big sponsers or donations and let the gaa help them. On JP Mac. In 2018 after Limerick won the All Ireland he gave 100 grand to every gaa county in Ireland. Commiserations yesterday by the way. Waterford can hold their heads high.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 18:31:07 2322390 Link 0 |
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Also on an aside. In 2018 JP gave every county a 100 grand each after all ireland.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 18:32:02 2322391 Link 0 |
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Thank you. The generosity of JP to all counties is unrivalled and needs to be commended. He owes no apology to anyone for supporting his county and Limerick no apology for accepting. If I was a billionaire in the morning I would sponsor my county without reservations. It is the duty of the GAA if claiming to be an amateur sport to make sure that money does not give advantage to one team over the other on the field of play.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 14/12/2020 18:43:08 2322396 Link 0 |
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It doesn't matter if the game is professional or amateur. There will always be a small number of teams at the top with the occasional breakthrough.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2020 19:16:41 2322406 Link 0 |
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Why not let the counties keep 50% of their own existing individual sponsorship packages, with the other 50% going toward central funding, which could be equally distributed (in Euro terms), regardless of county size. This is effectively a partial redistribution from the better resourced to the less well off. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2581 - 14/12/2020 19:29:27 2322407 Link 0 |
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Amateur sport is normally about competing against each other on a level playing field. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/12/2020 19:31:45 2322409 Link 0 |
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The idea of there being equality of opportunity in the GAA is a nonsense,leaving aside funding. You could be the greatest player who ever lived but if you're born or live in the wrong county you'll be lucky to appear on a tg4 highlight reel. Equality of opportunity sounds great but there are counties with bigger populations than say, kerry, and have achieved less in football,, and I believe that that's not down to sinister greedy men in suits but because kerry going way back have a tradition of coaching the game,, being committed to developing it, getting kids playing it,,while other counties didn't,, and that love for the game has helped them to build success and strong teams and helped with fundraising etc Ditto kilkenny /tipp in hurling etc. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 14/12/2020 19:39:21 2322411 Link 1 |
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Not true if an amateur group of players are getting funding more than their neighbours in the same sport to help give them an advantage then of course it is their business as they are all part of the same amateur sport. For one group to get a 100k and competition gets 150k no big deal but when 1 team gets multiples of it's nearest rival year in year out of course it changes the landscape.
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/12/2020 19:41:09 2322412 Link 0 |
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Of course it changes the landscape but if teams had to share what you fundraiser why would you bother. If I'm a millionaire and want to donate to my county why not.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 19:55:42 2322426 Link 0 |
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There is pros and cons with everything. About sharing I know that a few years Dublin players that were getting money from adds and opening pubs supermarkets etc all put money into a pool to share with other members which was nt a bad idea. I mean all the businesses wanted Bernard or Rock so at least the Mick Fitz s and Darren Dalys got a bit too. I'm not sure though would say Kerry or Dublin like to be sharing their sponsers hip money with the less we'll off counties. Again this is where the gaa step up and help the weaker counties. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/12/2020 20:04:47 2322428 Link 0 |