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Replying To Royal.Legend: "So whats your idea or ideas." Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration.
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Let county boards continue to attract their own sponsors - BUT - have 50% of those funds go to GAA HQ/Central Council for equal Euro distribution to all counties, regardless of their size.
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Replying To omahant: "Let county boards continue to attract their own sponsors - BUT - have 50% of those funds go to GAA HQ/Central Council for equal Euro distribution to all counties, regardless of their size." Why would sponsors agree to that?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 11/12/2020 12:18:14
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Replying To omahant: "Let county boards continue to attract their own sponsors - BUT - have 50% of those funds go to GAA HQ/Central Council for equal Euro distribution to all counties, regardless of their size." I wouldn't give the GAA half of a stale sandwich.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 11/12/2020 12:40:03
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Replying To TheUsername: "This is where the GAA need to set a standard I think. Equality and epuity are two different things.
Andy said on the Sunday Game that there was 50 full time GDO/GDA/GPOs in Meath.
There are 80 in Dublin.
That's seems very fair to me given the population 195k Vs 1.45 million.
I'd accept the East Leinster project might take a few years to bear fruit.
I'm also not so sure the Dublin model, is cost effective, participation rates haven't jumped hugely in Dublin, so I think it's fair there is a review of a better way of doing it to increase participation. That is important, there is a very real danger Dublin success isn't about money, personally I don't think it is, Dublin always had massive potential that went undeveloped by poor political stuff and a lack of recognition. There is a real danger that if the GAA throw money at this with a GDF lense it's good money after bad, as I said I'm not sure it's the GDF piece is the smoking gun of the Senior footballers success. I actually think we can do it better.
Elsewise there is a real risk I think to an East Vs West divide in the coming years, with the pumping of funds into Leinster and the rapid West to East migration, Leinster could really begin to dominate the All Ireland series in a few years. If you accept these facets enabled, the red flags are there for East, dominating the West in years ahead with the finance and population growth." Hi Username. I watched the McEntee Gilroy discussion again last night. Andy said Meath gaa 20 plus gaa coaches.
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Hi Username. I watched the McEntee Gilroy discussion again last night. Andy said Meath gaa 20 plus gaa coaches." Really Mick, i thought he said 50, could be an error on my behalf though apologies if so, fair play.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/12/2020 13:28:29
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Replying To TheUsername: "Really Mick, i thought he said 50, could be an error on my behalf though apologies if so, fair play." No worries. I'd guess he does nt know for sure. 20 plus could mean 21 28 or 29.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 11/12/2020 13:37:25
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I'm going to give my take on the whole funding and the Dublin vs the rest of the country.
To be fair to Dublin and the GAA in the early 00's there was slip in participation playing numbers in GAA clubs in Dublin. The Irish rugby bandwagon was starting to take off and the Irish soccer team were going well too getting to a world cup and young lads wanted to be a Robbie Keane or a Brian O'Driscoll rather than a Ciaran Whelan, the GAA had to address this in the country's capital and largest population area. Dublin has serious competition from other sports too (I know every county does but not the same level), the DDSL is a big attraction for young boys, schools rugby, boxing and mma, even basketball and hockey are very popular in Dublin if you look at amount different sports clubs in Dublin, the GAA were right in promoting itself in the capital. But saying all that the fairness of the €16 million in funding the GAA gave Dublin compared to the rest of the counties is most definitely up for debate, I would love to know the breakdown of what funds was spent on what as they got alot of money. How much went to improve Dublin hurling, how much to coaching academy's and facilities, how much the club's got and how much went to running their inter-county teams.
With all that said on Dublin here are some questions I would like to ask the GAA
1: Are they not concerned with the decline of success in Cork a traditional GAA stronghold.
2: Did they think of maybe stepping in to stop the decline of Offaly GAA a county that has won all Ireland's in both codes not that long ago.
3: Have they looked at counties like Antrim and Derry with big cities and towns for having potential to put out strong hurling and football teams seening as some of their clubs have performed very well in the all Ireland club championships. 4:Meath is another county that was producing brilliant footballers and all Ireland winning teams that went into a steady decline that the GAA failed to address, (definately there is I believe scope for improvements for Meath, Kildare and Laois to provide competition for Dublin in Leinster if they got funding and help from Croke Park hq).
5:Have the GAA any plans to improve standards in weaker counties if so what are they.
On standard of competition definitely there has to be tiered all-Ireland championship in both codes and some counties will have to accept their level especially in football. But there has to be give and take on both sides, the GAA are going to have to spend the money on promoting and generating excitement around 2nd and 3rd tier championships, give counties a genuine chance and something real to play for.
Getting back to the main topic, has the funding Dublin gotten put their footballers so far ahead of the rest, it certainly helped but I don't think it is the only factor. Their hurlers got alot funding too which improved them but they failed to win an all-Ireland and they don't look like winning 1 any time soon. Also I am against splitting Dublin to me that is punishing success, I remember when Ollie Baker was over the Offaly hurlers a few years back he was on about splitting Cork, Tipperary and Kilkenny into North/South teams to even up hurling, it's inter-county competition not inter-county and 1 or 2 split up counties competition.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 11/12/2020 23:24:00
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "No worries. I'd guess he does nt know for sure. 20 plus could mean 21 28 or 29." "Meath have We have 20 coaches employed who work in 43 clubs and 90 (out of 115) primary schools on a weekly basis. " This from the Meath secretary in the independent yesterday. I am actually very surprised and delighted we have this. Now it dosent say if they are full time coaches like Dublins. But it dose say 5 years ago Meath less that half that amount so about 7 or 8 for the entire county. Prior to 2015.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 12/12/2020 09:40:14
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Replying To Canuck: "Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration." How do you go about getting all teams equal access to TV coverage,, there's literally not enough hours in the day.
It's difficult to promote 2nd tier teams at the best of times,, but with the women's game receiving more and more exposure and coverage you can forget about it. That increased coverage will almost certainly come at the expense of any 2nd tier men's tournament.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 12/12/2020 11:52:15
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Replying To Canuck: "Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration." The competition formats need to change to help give counties more equitable tv and media coverage
You cant when your principal competition is straight knockout and league isnt regarded near as much as that knock out.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 12/12/2020 13:35:13
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Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1018 - 10/12/2020 22:09:19How do you give all teams equal tv and media coverage in a competition thats knockout?
You need to have a league as main competition throughout the inter county season to give teams more equality in media and tv coverage.
Look at soccers premiership. They can give the smaller/weaker sides more games on tv as they have a schedule to allow that.
you cant do that with a knockout competition.
Media coverage isnt equal in any sport. The strongest sides and sides with biggest market for sales/interest will always get the most coverage.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 12/12/2020 14:01:13
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Replying To Canuck: "Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration." would conway make the limerick team? not a sure thing but would give him an all star? ok
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2840 - 12/12/2020 14:32:21
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Replying To KillingFields: "Raise the profile of Gaelic Football in every county. Equal access to t.v. and media coverage for all teams. Pick all stars based on a nominated best player from every county so every kid can dream he can be one some day. Meaning full competition for all teams played in conjunction with the big guys. Super eights and 2nd tiers really puts the minnows in their box. Hurling by the way is no better when it comes to the so called weaker counties. Any rules made in the past, present and probably future geared towards the elites. I noticed Waterford spent 290,000 on hurling this year and over 200,000 on football. Not a great disparity but nothing to show for it. It is probably true to say the talent is not there but difficult to see the effort and investment continuing to be ranked 31st. I never claimed to have the answers but the structure as is does not look too good now or for the future. It is wonderful to see Jack Fagan lining out in an All-Ireland on Sunday. There are many more like him. Shane Conway in Kerry. Conway should be on an All-Star team this year representing his county and giving the young lads that know him inspiration.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1018 - 10/12/2020 22:09:19How do you give all teams equal tv and media coverage in a competition thats knockout?
You need to have a league as main competition throughout the inter county season to give teams more equality in media and tv coverage.
Look at soccers premiership. They can give the smaller/weaker sides more games on tv as they have a schedule to allow that.
you cant do that with a knockout competition.
Media coverage isnt equal in any sport. The strongest sides and sides with biggest market for sales/interest will always get the most coverage." "The strongest sides and sides with biggest market for sales/interest will always get the most coverage."
The thing we keep doing is making comparisons with professional sports and following the money. If that is the path we want to follow say so and stop pretending otherwise.
If the structure had Mayo playing Kildare in hurling the say day as Limerick plays Tipperary with entrance half price for those who arrive in time for the first game the profile of these teams would progress. t.v. rights only for showing both games . Revolving billboards at games should feature the sponsors of all counties.
May be it is a league as you suggested. What seems is there is no appetite for thinking outside the box and doing something revolutionary. Just tinkering and pretences to be doing something.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 12/12/2020 14:42:28
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Replying To Galway9801: "How do you go about getting all teams equal access to TV coverage,, there's literally not enough hours in the day.
It's difficult to promote 2nd tier teams at the best of times,, but with the women's game receiving more and more exposure and coverage you can forget about it. That increased coverage will almost certainly come at the expense of any 2nd tier men's tournament." Dont agree rte will be dam glad to show games from a much more competitive and enjoyable intermediate and junior championship than a one horse senior championship over the next ten years. Sponsership and funding may also follow suite. Eventually it will come down to viewer figures which i feel will soon plummet for the senior championship in fact i think they should sell it to sky for the next ten years before they realise the donkey they are buying.
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Replying To breffnibluewhite: "Dont agree rte will be dam glad to show games from a much more competitive and enjoyable intermediate and junior championship than a one horse senior championship over the next ten years. Sponsership and funding may also follow suite. Eventually it will come down to viewer figures which i feel will soon plummet for the senior championship in fact i think they should sell it to sky for the next ten years before they realise the donkey they are buying." The Sky deal really isn't that lucrative. I'm not sure the rights are anywhere near as valuable as many think, so selling them off to a platform that is unavailable to a lot of your biggest market for ten years would be complete madness. There is probably scope to commercialise the product more with streaming services etc but I think they are doing ok on the marketing and commercialisation front overall.
The GAA's main source of revenue is (and always will be) gate receipts. That is why they need to get their formats right and have competitive competitions played in good facilities that are conducive to a good day out for supporters and families, it's the only way you'll drive incremental revenue to be reinvested back in the game at all levels, get people out to the games. Impossible in 2020 of course but in the long term that is the aim.
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The thing we keep doing is making comparisons with professional sports and following the money. If that is the path we want to follow say so and stop pretending otherwise.
If the structure had Mayo playing Kildare in hurling the say day as Limerick plays Tipperary with entrance half price for those who arrive in time for the first game the profile of these teams would progress. t.v. rights only for showing both games . Revolving billboards at games should feature the sponsors of all counties.
May be it is a league as you suggested. What seems is there is no appetite for thinking outside the box and doing something revolutionary. Just tinkering and pretences to be doing something.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1021 - 12/12/2020 14:42:28But its not simply pro sports. Its most sports and in their amateur and professional competitions.
Saying put half price for entry for those who enter earlier isnt a good idea. It wont get that many more to attend earlier and its avoiding the main issues
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 12/12/2020 16:00:53
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On the issue of how do you make a second tier competition an attractive marketing prospect.
You actually don't. You make the top competition an excellent competition and one that everyone has an interest in and have an open pathway for promotion to that top tier.
The second tier competition will generate interest because the top tier is such a strong competition.
The latter stages of that second tier has the potential to be as exciting as the relegation battle.
We don't make progress in improving our structures to be inclusive but that can just end up being bad for all.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 12/12/2020 17:10:14
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Replying To breffnibluewhite: "Dont agree rte will be dam glad to show games from a much more competitive and enjoyable intermediate and junior championship than a one horse senior championship over the next ten years. Sponsership and funding may also follow suite. Eventually it will come down to viewer figures which i feel will soon plummet for the senior championship in fact i think they should sell it to sky for the next ten years before they realise the donkey they are buying." Secondary competitions are often more competitive and eccentric than primary competitions yet people still choose the latter.
The championship in England is often more enjoyable than the premiership but the premiership is still where the attention is.
The all Ireland club hurling competition for years was 10 times better than the Liam Mccarthy but the latter got the viewing figures,ditto the club football now.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 12/12/2020 18:23:32
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Is it time to consider Antrim hurling as a project worth funding.
Well done today, wouldn't it be great to support a highly populated County with potential.
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