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Replying To KillingFields:  "Ref in comogie semi final today should explain why he went by the clock at stadium which did not stop during the second half water break. Should have played another 2 minutes in a close game.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 6 - 28/11/2020 15:02:04 It shouldnt be the ref. Camogie association just need to clarify in a press release what happened.

They are supposed to allow 20 seconds per sub.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 651 - 27/11/2020 22:11:47That shouldnt be the case. Not all subs are the same and it means you have to add time on. There should be at top level a timekeeper and clock should stop but at all levels below that. ref shouldnt have to add on specific amounts of time per sub or anything else.
Different sport but when i ref i run two clocks one that doesnt stop from the first whistle of a half and a second that does for injuries, if i need to talk to players about issues within game etc/whatever. dont generally go far above the running clock. you dont need to."
Well many is the time I saw in AI semi or final and the game very very close and there would be little or no time added on. It often looked as if this was the rule handed down from powers that be to give GAA another day out. Then again this won't be a problem this year with no spectators. Personally I think there should be a clock and hooter for all games. The clock should stop for subs and injuries. The only time the ref should have to powers to add time is if the game was very close and there was cynical play.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 28/11/2020 17:09:07    2316199

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Ref in comogie semi final today should explain why he went by the clock at stadium which did not stop during the second half water break. Should have played another 2 minutes in a close game.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 6 - 28/11/2020 15:02:04 It shouldnt be the ref. Camogie association just need to clarify in a press release what happened.

They are supposed to allow 20 seconds per sub.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 651 - 27/11/2020 22:11:47That shouldnt be the case. Not all subs are the same and it means you have to add time on. There should be at top level a timekeeper and clock should stop but at all levels below that. ref shouldnt have to add on specific amounts of time per sub or anything else.
Different sport but when i ref i run two clocks one that doesnt stop from the first whistle of a half and a second that does for injuries, if i need to talk to players about issues within game etc/whatever. dont generally go far above the running clock. you dont need to."
I'm not saying it should be. I'm just saying the refs are supposed to add 20 secs per sub. Soccer is 30 seconds. I don't make the rules. I agree have a seperate timekeeper. Basketball is brilliant for time. You can't waste it. The clock is stopped every time ball is out of play.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 28/11/2020 17:27:30    2316204

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "Ref in comogie semi final today should explain why he went by the clock at stadium which did not stop during the second half water break. Should have played another 2 minutes in a close game.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 6 - 28/11/2020 15:02:04 It shouldnt be the ref. Camogie association just need to clarify in a press release what happened.

They are supposed to allow 20 seconds per sub.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 651 - 27/11/2020 22:11:47That shouldnt be the case. Not all subs are the same and it means you have to add time on. There should be at top level a timekeeper and clock should stop but at all levels below that. ref shouldnt have to add on specific amounts of time per sub or anything else.
Different sport but when i ref i run two clocks one that doesnt stop from the first whistle of a half and a second that does for injuries, if i need to talk to players about issues within game etc/whatever. dont generally go far above the running clock. you dont need to."
I'm not saying it should be. I'm just saying the refs are supposed to add 20 secs per sub. Soccer is 30 seconds. I don't make the rules. I agree have a seperate timekeeper. Basketball is brilliant for time. You can't waste it. The clock is stopped every time ball is out of play."
I dont think they should. Even if its in rules it shouldnt be very strictly adhered to. Basketball is played on area less than 29m x 15m. Its completely different.
A sub coming on is natural part of game. only stop clock/add time if it goes beyond what you would consider norm

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/11/2020 18:38:45    2316222

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Fergal Horgan riding Waterford

Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 88 - 28/11/2020 19:29:51    2316244

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Replying To Leftpeg1:  "Fergal Horgan riding Waterford"
He wasnt at all. They got deserved win but ref wouldnt have been reason if they had lost

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/11/2020 19:38:33    2316253

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If you want the refs to explain themselves and their decisions the players should have to do the same. Would hate to see the young goalie from Galway have to explain his puckouts today, or any player who may have had a tough game. It could ruin a young lad. This fella will hopefully learn from today and become a better goalie in the future.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 29/11/2020 19:19:45    2316608

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a VAR could be used in HQ, the cards given and not given today were beyond ridiculous

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 29/11/2020 19:46:38    2316623

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the ref is always riding the team who loses.
both referees i thought had good games.
one thing for me,the amount of diving and grabbing hold of the tackler to win a free is unbelievable.a number of times over the weekend there was players theatrics to win frees.
hurlings men of honour.....

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/11/2020 21:11:57    2316671

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It is an absolute miracle that Gearóid Hegarty managed to finish that game.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 29/11/2020 21:55:19    2316689

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lets be honest here,if a referee thinks there has been serious foul play,he should stop the game,ask a video referee if he caught the incident and if he has,he runs to the sideline and has a look himself,decides on the action.
as it is,he runs around like a jackass asking umpires and linesmen.
help the ref out for god sake,dont have him relying on the opinion of others.the whole country can see it on tv,show it to the 1 person whose opinion matters.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/11/2020 09:03:24    2316754

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Replying To perfect10:  "the ref is always riding the team who loses.
both referees i thought had good games.
one thing for me,the amount of diving and grabbing hold of the tackler to win a free is unbelievable.a number of times over the weekend there was players theatrics to win frees.
hurlings men of honour....."
I agree with you... if a player finds himself surrounded by a player or often by 2 players he is likely to bring up his arms and get himself entangled witu the others arms and hurls and probably swing himself around so that he engineers a free... happening to an unacceptable degree... a form of cheating I say !!!!!!!!!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 30/11/2020 11:22:20    2316826

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Replying To perfect10:  "lets be honest here,if a referee thinks there has been serious foul play,he should stop the game,ask a video referee if he caught the incident and if he has,he runs to the sideline and has a look himself,decides on the action.
as it is,he runs around like a jackass asking umpires and linesmen.
help the ref out for god sake,dont have him relying on the opinion of others.the whole country can see it on tv,show it to the 1 person whose opinion matters."
I have always been against video reviews. I have seen how it slows down games here in America and would hate to see it happen in the GAA. The water breaks are an example of how momentum is disrupted, This is a fair point however. Watching referees run around the field asking umpires and linesmen what they saw is ridiculous. Half the time they missed the play also. I agree if the ref thinks there is a play that needs review he should be able to check a monitor and watch the play again to get the call right. Hegarty's pull across Canning's back was deliberate and should be a definite yellow and could be argued a red. The intent was there just because it wasn't the back of Canning's head doesn't negate the intent.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 30/11/2020 11:22:56    2316829

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lets be honest here,if a referee thinks there has been serious foul play,he should stop the game,ask a video referee if he caught the incident and if he has,he runs to the sideline and has a look himself,decides on the action.
as it is,he runs around like a jackass asking umpires and linesmen.
help the ref out for god sake,dont have him relying on the opinion of others.the whole country can see it on tv,show it to the 1 person whose opinion matters.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3854 - 30/11/2020 09:03:24 You should always ask the officials on the field of play first before asking for any additional ref. At top level linesmen have to be qualified refs.

I have always been against video reviews. I have seen how it slows down games here in America and would hate to see it happen in the GAA. The water breaks are an example of how momentum is disrupted, This is a fair point however. Watching referees run around the field asking umpires and linesmen what they saw is ridiculous. Half the time they missed the play also. I agree if the ref thinks there is a play that needs review he should be able to check a monitor and watch the play again to get the call right. Hegarty's pull across Canning's back was deliberate and should be a definite yellow and could be argued a red. The intent was there just because it wasn't the back of Canning's head doesn't negate the intent.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 195 - 30/11/2020 11:22:56Waterbreaks right now are needed and a short term thing. they will be gone soon.
There is very few breaks in a game. Video replays/reviews help get correct decisions.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 30/11/2020 12:05:33    2316857

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Replying To gatha:  "I have always been against video reviews. I have seen how it slows down games here in America and would hate to see it happen in the GAA. The water breaks are an example of how momentum is disrupted, This is a fair point however. Watching referees run around the field asking umpires and linesmen what they saw is ridiculous. Half the time they missed the play also. I agree if the ref thinks there is a play that needs review he should be able to check a monitor and watch the play again to get the call right. Hegarty's pull across Canning's back was deliberate and should be a definite yellow and could be argued a red. The intent was there just because it wasn't the back of Canning's head doesn't negate the intent."
put it this way gatha hegarty nor gillane would not have pulled those strokes if they thought a video review might incriminate them.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/11/2020 12:10:06    2316861

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Replying To Onfor15:  "It is an absolute miracle that Gearóid Hegarty managed to finish that game."
There was a piece in the Irish Examiner bty a referee namely John Bannon in which he went to town on Hegarty and maybe righty so. However he went on to say that 'John Donneely was the recipient of common sense when he broke a hurl across Tadgh de Burca and it was the right call'. As ever one law for Kilkenny and a different one for other counties. No Wexford contributor is on here mentioning this either.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 30/11/2020 12:31:00    2316875

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Replying To perfect10:  "the ref is always riding the team who loses.
both referees i thought had good games.
one thing for me,the amount of diving and grabbing hold of the tackler to win a free is unbelievable.a number of times over the weekend there was players theatrics to win frees.
hurlings men of honour....."
You have a point there Perfect10, especially about losing always blaming the ref. Apparently when Geroid Hegarty got back to the dressing room after the semi final last year his back was red with weals from the 'treatment' he got during the game. He could have thrown himself down to get his man yellow carded or complained after, but no he took it like a man got back on the horse and apart from this incident is one of the players of the championship.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 30/11/2020 12:36:56    2316879

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Refs make mistakes, things get missed and I tend to lean towards it generally evens out over the game. However I must say Saturday night's performance by Horgan was hard to take. Thinking my first reaction might be over the top I watched it all again without the excitement of the moment and knowing Waterford had won. 2-16 out 2-17 from play in the second half come on ? Horgan's calls and non calls were not misses but an attempt to influence the result and he should be asked to answer for it. This is not the first time he has treated Waterford like this. I know I will be deavoured for this opinion but that is how I saw it and if it was any other team would say the same. Rarely do I ever criticize referees in the fastest field sport in the world and take no pleasure from it but this was beyond the pale.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 30/11/2020 14:46:50    2316962

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Replying To Canuck:  "Refs make mistakes, things get missed and I tend to lean towards it generally evens out over the game. However I must say Saturday night's performance by Horgan was hard to take. Thinking my first reaction might be over the top I watched it all again without the excitement of the moment and knowing Waterford had won. 2-16 out 2-17 from play in the second half come on ? Horgan's calls and non calls were not misses but an attempt to influence the result and he should be asked to answer for it. This is not the first time he has treated Waterford like this. I know I will be deavoured for this opinion but that is how I saw it and if it was any other team would say the same. Rarely do I ever criticize referees in the fastest field sport in the world and take no pleasure from it but this was beyond the pale."
Am I getting this right you are saying Horgan went out to stick it to Waterford and tried to influence the game so Kilkenny would win.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 30/11/2020 19:41:33    2317120

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Replying To gatha:  "Am I getting this right you are saying Horgan went out to stick it to Waterford and tried to influence the game so Kilkenny would win."
Gatha it certainly looked like that. You are an honest guy. If it was the other way around from what you saw would you be happy? Like I have said things get missed but this was too one sided to dismiss. How rare is it to concede so few frees in nearly 40 minutes play as your opposition are getting them right left and centre. Some warranted and many of them soft excuse calls. If you are going to call over carrying then do it fair. I have the greatest respect for Kilkenny who most would agree play on the edge and rarely if ever go looking for frees.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 30/11/2020 23:59:01    2317198

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Replying To gatha:  "Am I getting this right you are saying Horgan went out to stick it to Waterford and tried to influence the game so Kilkenny would win."
Gatha it certainly looked like that. You are an honest guy. If it was the other way around from what you saw would you be happy? Like I have said things get missed but this was too one sided to dismiss. How rare is it to concede so few frees in nearly 40 minutes play as your opposition are getting them right left and centre. Some warranted and many of them soft excuse calls. If you are going to call over carrying then do it fair. I have the greatest respect for Kilkenny who most would agree play on the edge and rarely if ever go looking for frees.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 01/12/2020 00:06:25    2317200

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