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Team Of The Provincial Championships

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We've had the best Provincial Championships in years! My team of the Provincial Championships:

Galligan
Barrett McGee Meehan
Smith Durcan McLaughlin
McKiernan Langan
Bugler Kilkenny Mogan
Sweeney Galligan Madden

That's 1 player each from Cork and Tipp, 2 Dublin, 3 Donegal, 3 Mayo and 5 Cavan. I think that's a fair spread based on opposition beat by each team. Hardest done by would be Tipp but I found it hard to pick any other outstanding individuals after Conor Sweeney. Quinlivan was close and was very good in the final but was quiet enough against Clare and Limerick. A lot of the players I picked above wouldn't have been rated anywhere near a team of anything before the championship, so it just shows what an unpredictable championship we've had to date. Would like to see what team other people would go with.

My player of the Provincial Championships would be Thomas Galligan. What a colossus he's been. He epitomises everything Cavan have been about I think. He's one of the strongest players in the country, a brilliant fielder and an absolute leader and warrior. And to think he didn't even start for Cavan the first day out!

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 764 - 22/11/2020 20:26:17    2313356

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Replying To Kerry15:  "We've had the best Provincial Championships in years! My team of the Provincial Championships:

Galligan
Barrett McGee Meehan
Smith Durcan McLaughlin
McKiernan Langan
Bugler Kilkenny Mogan
Sweeney Galligan Madden

That's 1 player each from Cork and Tipp, 2 Dublin, 3 Donegal, 3 Mayo and 5 Cavan. I think that's a fair spread based on opposition beat by each team. Hardest done by would be Tipp but I found it hard to pick any other outstanding individuals after Conor Sweeney. Quinlivan was close and was very good in the final but was quiet enough against Clare and Limerick. A lot of the players I picked above wouldn't have been rated anywhere near a team of anything before the championship, so it just shows what an unpredictable championship we've had to date. Would like to see what team other people would go with.

My player of the Provincial Championships would be Thomas Galligan. What a colossus he's been. He epitomises everything Cavan have been about I think. He's one of the strongest players in the country, a brilliant fielder and an absolute leader and warrior. And to think he didn't even start for Cavan the first day out!"
Padraig Faulkner of Cavan, ahead of McGee.

He's been phenomenal.

6 for us might be generous so take another out if you have to, but Faulkner has been brilliant.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4422 - 22/11/2020 20:59:29    2313418

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I'd be comfortable enough in saying that McKiernan, Conor Sweeney, Thomas Galligan, and Paddy Durcan have all secured All Stars.

Munster Player of the Championship: Conor Sweeney
Connacht: Paddy Durcan
Leinster: Ciaran Kilkenny
Ulster: Thomas Galligan

I'd be inclined to think Conor Sweeney and Thomas Galligan are frontrunners for FOTY even if they don't make it to the final. Their respective provincial campaigns have been more memorable and impressive than many All Ireland winning campaigns of this century.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 210 - 22/11/2020 21:18:56    2313455

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "I'd be comfortable enough in saying that McKiernan, Conor Sweeney, Thomas Galligan, and Paddy Durcan have all secured All Stars.

Munster Player of the Championship: Conor Sweeney
Connacht: Paddy Durcan
Leinster: Ciaran Kilkenny
Ulster: Thomas Galligan

I'd be inclined to think Conor Sweeney and Thomas Galligan are frontrunners for FOTY even if they don't make it to the final. Their respective provincial campaigns have been more memorable and impressive than many All Ireland winning campaigns of this century."
Hard to argue with your provincial picks, but FOTY tends to be weighted heavily towards the semi-final and final and I can't see this year being any different even if it's been different in almost every other way.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2307 - 23/11/2020 15:56:56    2314082

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I think depending on the semis and final if Dublin win it out they will get poty and rightly so. Maybe Kilkenny or even Scully who has been excellent.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3906 - 23/11/2020 16:06:34    2314095

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Replying To daytona11:  "I think depending on the semis and final if Dublin win it out they will get poty and rightly so. Maybe Kilkenny or even Scully who has been excellent."
Kilkenny has been excellent of course, but Dublin have had 3 gimmes so far, whereas Cavan have won 4 matches in consecutive weekends (each of which they trailed at half time) and three of them are all-time classics (none of these on home soil).

Dublin winning would be an incredible achievement yes, but unless Kilkenny (or anyone) puts in genuinely exceptional MOTM performances in the next two fixtures I don't think any Dublin player would match either of Galligan's or Sweeney's performances to date, even if they put in stinkers in the semi.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 210 - 23/11/2020 16:25:52    2314109

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "I'd be comfortable enough in saying that McKiernan, Conor Sweeney, Thomas Galligan, and Paddy Durcan have all secured All Stars.

Munster Player of the Championship: Conor Sweeney
Connacht: Paddy Durcan
Leinster: Ciaran Kilkenny
Ulster: Thomas Galligan

I'd be inclined to think Conor Sweeney and Thomas Galligan are frontrunners for FOTY even if they don't make it to the final. Their respective provincial campaigns have been more memorable and impressive than many All Ireland winning campaigns of this century."
You ré spot on Surely. Its a bit early to talk about pity. Last year Stephen Ó Brien Kerry was favourite for poty before the all ireland final after a smashing year. He did nt even get an all star in the end. The semis and final will be big factors.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1928 - 23/11/2020 16:30:04    2314118

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "Kilkenny has been excellent of course, but Dublin have had 3 gimmes so far, whereas Cavan have won 4 matches in consecutive weekends (each of which they trailed at half time) and three of them are all-time classics (none of these on home soil).

Dublin winning would be an incredible achievement yes, but unless Kilkenny (or anyone) puts in genuinely exceptional MOTM performances in the next two fixtures I don't think any Dublin player would match either of Galligan's or Sweeney's performances to date, even if they put in stinkers in the semi."
Wasn't the Antrim game in Breffni Park.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 270 - 23/11/2020 17:01:14    2314140

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "Kilkenny has been excellent of course, but Dublin have had 3 gimmes so far, whereas Cavan have won 4 matches in consecutive weekends (each of which they trailed at half time) and three of them are all-time classics (none of these on home soil).

Dublin winning would be an incredible achievement yes, but unless Kilkenny (or anyone) puts in genuinely exceptional MOTM performances in the next two fixtures I don't think any Dublin player would match either of Galligan's or Sweeney's performances to date, even if they put in stinkers in the semi."
Ah i think your being a bit romantic about it all. It will all depend on the Semis. I'd argue that you have proven the point we have been disussing on other thread re Leinster and unfair advantages. Meath , Kildare and Laois would be no gimmes for Ulster or Connaught or Munster opposution to be fair. Kilkenny has drove the Dubs to 10 leinsters and will be to the fore when the destroy Cavan.

I think Cavan will get 1 all star perhaps but Tipp? Who have they bet of note? A division 3 Cork team?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3906 - 23/11/2020 17:31:50    2314156

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Replying To daytona11:  "Ah i think your being a bit romantic about it all. It will all depend on the Semis. I'd argue that you have proven the point we have been disussing on other thread re Leinster and unfair advantages. Meath , Kildare and Laois would be no gimmes for Ulster or Connaught or Munster opposution to be fair. Kilkenny has drove the Dubs to 10 leinsters and will be to the fore when the destroy Cavan.

I think Cavan will get 1 all star perhaps but Tipp? Who have they bet of note? A division 3 Cork team?"
It's all relative. When I talk of gimmes I don't mean to bring up inequities in the provincial championships. None of Dublin's games would be gimmes in any other province. I simply mean to put the performances of any potential footballer of the year or All Star into context.

The FOTY and All Star awards are romantic by nature, they're not decided by data analysts nor statisticians, so yes, I think you've sussed where I'm coming from. I don't think awards like these should follow strict precedents like FOTY should come from AI winners, or league winners get an All Star etc. (3 winners of FOTY in the 2010s came from non-Sam winning teams)

I think when you have exceptional candidates like Sweeney and Galligan who've both legitimately written their names in GAA history this month are more than worth a mention when the discussion of POTY comes around. In my opinion Dublin will stroll to another All Ireland, but I have no doubt that both Sweeney and Galligan in the form they showed this campaign would make Dublin a better team.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 210 - 23/11/2020 20:35:57    2314276

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Replying To daytona11:  "Ah i think your being a bit romantic about it all. It will all depend on the Semis. I'd argue that you have proven the point we have been disussing on other thread re Leinster and unfair advantages. Meath , Kildare and Laois would be no gimmes for Ulster or Connaught or Munster opposution to be fair. Kilkenny has drove the Dubs to 10 leinsters and will be to the fore when the destroy Cavan.

I think Cavan will get 1 all star perhaps but Tipp? Who have they bet of note? A division 3 Cork team?"
They should get a few based on their performances.
Sweeney and Fahey
Liam Casey, Comerford could get nominations..

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 23/11/2020 20:43:54    2314282

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Would be lovely to see Cavan and Tipp getting three or four All stars but that's not going to happen unless either or both reach the final. Dublin will get seven, the other finalist four, or three, depending on how much they lose by. The Provincial winners will get one each, the League winners probably one and, seeing as it's Christmas, there will be one surprise. They might put all the Dubs in a hat and pull out the three nominations for player of the year. If Carlsberg did Allstars it might be different but sadly they don't!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 23/11/2020 22:00:54    2314355

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I'm going to mention Ian Corbett for Centre back on this team ye are talking about..played very in the matches after football restart..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1238 - 23/11/2020 22:31:44    2314383

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Would be lovely to see Cavan and Tipp getting three or four All stars but that's not going to happen unless either or both reach the final. Dublin will get seven, the other finalist four, or three, depending on how much they lose by. The Provincial winners will get one each, the League winners probably one and, seeing as it's Christmas, there will be one surprise. They might put all the Dubs in a hat and pull out the three nominations for player of the year. If Carlsberg did Allstars it might be different but sadly they don't!"
Or they might ignore what happened on the field and wait for the ex Dublin players in the papers to tell them who should get POTY.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4422 - 24/11/2020 08:02:51    2314448

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Not exactly on topic but related. Where would you rank the teams now in the Championship? HS article last week ranked Cavan at 10, Tipp at 19, Donegal at 2 I'm not sure that the four remaining would be 1-4 but surely last week's results give rise to a Rethink.
Also I was bemused with Sean Cavanagh's comments on Cavan on Sunday night. He said at the start of the Championship they were ranked 7th in Ulster. I agree they were no one's favourites. but I would say they were in the middle group of 3 in Ulster first-tier Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan. Second Group, Armagh Cavan Down, Third Group Derry, Fermanagh Antrim. That Put them about 5th. Sorry for the rant - I just think Sean Cavanagh hasn't got a clue!!

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 52 - 24/11/2020 14:12:50    2314695

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Jesus theres some ridiculous stuff being thrown in there by people. I haven't seen enough football to say who should or shouldn't be included, but its always based on the winners getting 6-8 of the 15 places, finalists get 4/5 whether reasonable or not and semi finalists 1 each. No one else outside of that will be mentioned.

So whoever plays well in the last three games in the championship are all that matter. Being honest, Dublin could end up with 9 or 10 with the way they've blown teams away and I'd expect that to continue over Cavan and Mayo/Tipp.

I'll be accused of bias with this one but i'd hope that Jordan Morris from Meath is in the discussion for Young player of the year.

Since Lockdown
v Dublin (sub) 0-2
v Monaghan (sub) 0-7 (3f)
v Wicklow 3-4 (2 pen,1f)
v Kildare 1-1(1f)
v Dublin 0-4 (1f)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1155 - 24/11/2020 15:23:17    2314740

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Replying To brian:  "Jesus theres some ridiculous stuff being thrown in there by people. I haven't seen enough football to say who should or shouldn't be included, but its always based on the winners getting 6-8 of the 15 places, finalists get 4/5 whether reasonable or not and semi finalists 1 each. No one else outside of that will be mentioned.

So whoever plays well in the last three games in the championship are all that matter. Being honest, Dublin could end up with 9 or 10 with the way they've blown teams away and I'd expect that to continue over Cavan and Mayo/Tipp.

I'll be accused of bias with this one but i'd hope that Jordan Morris from Meath is in the discussion for Young player of the year.

Since Lockdown
v Dublin (sub) 0-2
v Monaghan (sub) 0-7 (3f)
v Wicklow 3-4 (2 pen,1f)
v Kildare 1-1(1f)
v Dublin 0-4 (1f)"
It's just slightly different this year.

I can't see Tipp and Cavan's provincial wins not netting them 1 each as an absolute minimum.

Then take into account that Cavan have played 4 games (more than anyone so far), and the same players have been particularly outstanding throughout all 4 (the 2 Galligans, McKiernan, Faulkner). I think no matter what happens v dublin, 2 of those will get all stars, and possibly 3.

With Dublin, assuming they do win it, I'd have to say that the usual suspects have been outstanding (Con, Rock, Fenton, Kilkenny, Scully). Cooper has probably been the only outstanding back, because their backing hasn't been asked any questions. So if they got only 7 or 8 it wouldn't be a shock.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4422 - 24/11/2020 17:21:18    2314814

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OP was about the team on the provincial championships... The Allstars and POTY... now that's a different matter and will decided from here on in as has been the case in previous years.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5386 - 24/11/2020 18:05:59    2314842

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "I'd be comfortable enough in saying that McKiernan, Conor Sweeney, Thomas Galligan, and Paddy Durcan have all secured All Stars.

Munster Player of the Championship: Conor Sweeney
Connacht: Paddy Durcan
Leinster: Ciaran Kilkenny
Ulster: Thomas Galligan

I'd be inclined to think Conor Sweeney and Thomas Galligan are frontrunners for FOTY even if they don't make it to the final. Their respective provincial campaigns have been more memorable and impressive than many All Ireland winning campaigns of this century."
Wouldnt that be great if both were even nominated?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2990 - 25/11/2020 00:06:50    2315069

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I think Kevin Fahey for Tipp might get in if the All Star team was picked now

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2990 - 25/11/2020 00:08:36    2315070

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