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The Future Of The Provincial Football Championships

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Well I hope that puts to rest the rhetoric that the provincial championships are a waste of time. As a Donegal man I'm disappointed, but delighted also for Cavan. I think today shows that the problem isn't the provincial championships, rather a crazy system that gives the big teams several second chances. Time to get rid of super 8s and maybe the qualifiers also.

DL_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 145 - 22/11/2020 18:52:15    2313155

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Replying To DL_Man:  "Well I hope that puts to rest the rhetoric that the provincial championships are a waste of time. As a Donegal man I'm disappointed, but delighted also for Cavan. I think today shows that the problem isn't the provincial championships, rather a crazy system that gives the big teams several second chances. Time to get rid of super 8s and maybe the qualifiers also."
Keep Ulster, Munster and Connaught. Ulster and Connaught are always great. Scrap the qualifiers, the super 8s. Scrap Leinster as it's a waste of everybody's time.

Or have Leinster as a standalone B championship without Dublin. The winners of this B championship dont have access to the all ireland series but the winners of this can then choose whether to play the Dubs or not for a place in an all ireland semi final or to not bother with the inevitable hiding.

Crackpot idea, yes but no more ridiculous than the stupid 8s.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 22/11/2020 19:22:18    2313222

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Replying To Daith:  "Keep Ulster, Munster and Connaught. Ulster and Connaught are always great. Scrap the qualifiers, the super 8s. Scrap Leinster as it's a waste of everybody's time.

Or have Leinster as a standalone B championship without Dublin. The winners of this B championship dont have access to the all ireland series but the winners of this can then choose whether to play the Dubs or not for a place in an all ireland semi final or to not bother with the inevitable hiding.

Crackpot idea, yes but no more ridiculous than the stupid 8s."
Could give Dublin a bye to a final or something along those lines, although I think the leinster teams themselves have to take responsibility. The standard of leinster counties, bar the Dubs, is attrocious. 10 or 15 years ago we had competitive teams from kildare, meath, louth, wexford etc. Now none of those counties are anywhere near the top table, bar Meath very maybe

DL_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 145 - 22/11/2020 19:51:57    2313287

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Set up a North Leinster Football provincial championship, with Meath, Louth Longford, Offaly and Westmeath along with Fingal and Dublin City. In the south leinster championship you have all the remaining Leinster teams plus South Dublin and Dun Laoighire/Rathdown. There will be then 5 provincial winners and have a premlinary all Ireland quarter final. It's time to split Dublin up and the most natural way is the county council boundaries. It will help the gas in Dublin aswell as there is more chance of good lads making the county team

Updlocal (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 22/11/2020 19:53:16    2313288

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Replying To Updlocal:  "Set up a North Leinster Football provincial championship, with Meath, Louth Longford, Offaly and Westmeath along with Fingal and Dublin City. In the south leinster championship you have all the remaining Leinster teams plus South Dublin and Dun Laoighire/Rathdown. There will be then 5 provincial winners and have a premlinary all Ireland quarter final. It's time to split Dublin up and the most natural way is the county council boundaries. It will help the gas in Dublin aswell as there is more chance of good lads making the county team"
Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown has 2 clubs!!!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 22/11/2020 19:57:59    2313297

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Why dont we send Galway back to Connaught in the hurling and restart that championship. Sure its up to sligo and leitrim to get to that level.

Its exactly the same as whats happening in Leisnter now.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 22/11/2020 20:00:15    2313301

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Replying To Updlocal:  "Set up a North Leinster Football provincial championship, with Meath, Louth Longford, Offaly and Westmeath along with Fingal and Dublin City. In the south leinster championship you have all the remaining Leinster teams plus South Dublin and Dun Laoighire/Rathdown. There will be then 5 provincial winners and have a premlinary all Ireland quarter final. It's time to split Dublin up and the most natural way is the county council boundaries. It will help the gas in Dublin aswell as there is more chance of good lads making the county team"
but would. you have a problem when Meath, with a population of nearly 200K play poor old Longford with a population of 40K????

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 22/11/2020 20:00:28    2313302

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Replying To DL_Man:  "Could give Dublin a bye to a final or something along those lines, although I think the leinster teams themselves have to take responsibility. The standard of leinster counties, bar the Dubs, is attrocious. 10 or 15 years ago we had competitive teams from kildare, meath, louth, wexford etc. Now none of those counties are anywhere near the top table, bar Meath very maybe"
I agree, the rest of Leinster is languising and falling further behind, standard is very poor.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 22/11/2020 20:03:27    2313307

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Replying To Updlocal:  "Set up a North Leinster Football provincial championship, with Meath, Louth Longford, Offaly and Westmeath along with Fingal and Dublin City. In the south leinster championship you have all the remaining Leinster teams plus South Dublin and Dun Laoighire/Rathdown. There will be then 5 provincial winners and have a premlinary all Ireland quarter final. It's time to split Dublin up and the most natural way is the county council boundaries. It will help the gas in Dublin aswell as there is more chance of good lads making the county team"
Eh no

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 22/11/2020 20:03:56    2313308

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Replying To arock:  "I agree, the rest of Leinster is languising and falling further behind, standard is very poor."
The standard in the rest of Leinster is on a par of a Ulster, Munster or Connaught. To say Kildare or Meath wouldnt be a match for Tipp or Cavan isnt true.

The issue in Leinster is for the most part one team has benefited in areas we havent and this is the result.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 22/11/2020 20:07:43    2313319

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kilkenny have won 73 hurling titles, dublin about 60 football, for most of the last 100 years at best they might have one team to challange them, dublin, wexcford offaly and now galway give them a game, but i never heard anyone wanting to do away with the hurling cship

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2848 - 22/11/2020 20:09:41    2313327

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Replying To DL_Man:  "Could give Dublin a bye to a final or something along those lines, although I think the leinster teams themselves have to take responsibility. The standard of leinster counties, bar the Dubs, is attrocious. 10 or 15 years ago we had competitive teams from kildare, meath, louth, wexford etc. Now none of those counties are anywhere near the top table, bar Meath very maybe"
Like I said in another thread last week just put dublin in an eternal allireland final and let the rest of us play a championship to see who gets to play them, then have them tour 6 different counties every year like the barbarians do in Rugby.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/11/2020 20:10:25    2313328

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Eh no"
Then what's your solution? something has to be done. If you take a look at the premiership, big cities have 4 or 5 teams. London has spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham. What about all the good Dublin club players who would be on most county teams not getting within an asses roar of the current Dublin team.

Updlocal (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 22/11/2020 20:13:21    2313335

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Ulster, Connacht and Munster are great championships.....The only issue is Dublin and the other Leinster counties

Getting rid of provincial c'ship does not solve the Dublin power issue. Splitting Dublin might destroy the game, I'm not for it. I would wait 5 years to see how things materialise.

Tipp, Mayo and Cavan all deserve their crowns, what a great year this is

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1676 - 22/11/2020 20:13:59    2313338

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Scrap the leagues, nobody cares about them. Play the provincials in their place. Then open draw all ireland. Youll get the sheer drama of days like today and the provincials will still have a place. No qualifiers or super 8s, they dilute what is best about championship football. Finally. Promote dublin to their own special one team division so Meath dont have to play them for 10 years..

TobinsBeard (Meath) - Posts: 125 - 22/11/2020 20:14:54    2313341

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Replying To Updlocal:  "Set up a North Leinster Football provincial championship, with Meath, Louth Longford, Offaly and Westmeath along with Fingal and Dublin City. In the south leinster championship you have all the remaining Leinster teams plus South Dublin and Dun Laoighire/Rathdown. There will be then 5 provincial winners and have a premlinary all Ireland quarter final. It's time to split Dublin up and the most natural way is the county council boundaries. It will help the gas in Dublin aswell as there is more chance of good lads making the county team"
This sounds suspiciously like the old province of Meath?

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 22/11/2020 20:20:19    2313348

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Replying To DL_Man:  "Well I hope that puts to rest the rhetoric that the provincial championships are a waste of time. As a Donegal man I'm disappointed, but delighted also for Cavan. I think today shows that the problem isn't the provincial championships, rather a crazy system that gives the big teams several second chances. Time to get rid of super 8s and maybe the qualifiers also."
Unbelievable stuff today and I was very emotional even as a neutral watching tipp win today

BBC had a great interview with the Cavan manager too and he struggled to keep it together

Today really reminded me of why i love the GAA. It was a fantastic day for football

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1679 - 22/11/2020 20:28:38    2313363

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "Ulster, Connacht and Munster are great championships.....The only issue is Dublin and the other Leinster counties

Getting rid of provincial c'ship does not solve the Dublin power issue. Splitting Dublin might destroy the game, I'm not for it. I would wait 5 years to see how things materialise.

Tipp, Mayo and Cavan all deserve their crowns, what a great year this is"
Can we put Dublin in Connaught for those 5 years or rotate them around the provinces?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 22/11/2020 20:33:05    2313370

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3 of the provinces are alive and well in spite of talk about abolishing them and creating a token 2nd tier championship.

It's worth noting of the 4 semi-finalist only 1 will be playing div1 football next year (the greatest team ever), 1 will be playing in div2 and the final 2 will be playing in div3!

Finally the Leinster championship either needs emergency surgery or to be put out of its misery, the Gaa have to make that call.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/11/2020 20:40:59    2313387

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Replying To TobinsBeard:  "Scrap the leagues, nobody cares about them. Play the provincials in their place. Then open draw all ireland. Youll get the sheer drama of days like today and the provincials will still have a place. No qualifiers or super 8s, they dilute what is best about championship football. Finally. Promote dublin to their own special one team division so Meath dont have to play them for 10 years.."
You dont need to play every competition to completion before the next starts.
What does scrapping the leagues actually do?
Why does removing the overwhelming majority of games at inter county level help the inter county game?

Removing all these games from the calendar would be great for soccer and rugby and all other sports as you are removing so much from the biggest advertisements for the gaa ie the inter county game.

People complain about the media coverage gaa gets now. it would be 50 times less with your idea for the gaa calendar

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 22/11/2020 20:47:16    2313398

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