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Replying To cavanman47:  "I'm as vocal about Dublin's advantages as anyone, but you know what. . .

The game will be in Croker. And I'm glad it will be.

That's where I want us to beat them."
Thats the spirit -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2096 - 23/11/2020 13:51:03    2313959

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "I'm on record as saying on this forum in recent weeks that Cavan have a formidable high ball game. We beat Down by sending in garryowens (sorry for the rugby terminology but you get what I'm saying) on top of their full back line (our penalty and a Tom Galligan mark are just two example that come to mind so that's 1-01 from the high ball).

Again, against Donegal, Madden's goal came from a high ball in on top of Patton and McGee that they fluffed. And Galligan picked up a scrap from a Donegal error and slotted one over. Again, another 1-01 from the high ball. There are more examples, but these just spring to mind.

The point I'm making is that we're not going to beat Dublin by running the ball into shooting positions. Dublin are too fast and strong to let you do that.

What I'd love to see is our lads sending high balls in on top of Madden and Galligan because we absoutely have the ability to cause Fitzsimons and those fellas big big problems if we do it.

I don't understand why other teams don't do this more often in fact. A 50/50 ball makes a 50/50 game."
There is some myth around Dublin and the high ball, im not sure where it came from i think Tyrone got joy out of it one league game and in my recollection that was the only time we struggled.

I've seen loads of counties try it, Galway with Comer, Donegal with Murphy, Tyrone with McShane, Kerry with Donaghy & Walsh, Mayo with O Shea, O Connor and Moran (to be fair Andy was great at winning his own ball). Nine times out of ten you are just giving Dublin back possession.

One of the maddest things i saw was the second final last year and Keane told Kerry to lump in the high ball for the first quarter, we gobble it up.

I think the problem with the high ball is you have to flood forward to support the second phase even if you win it, if you dont and break down you leave Dublin with pocession and acres of space. Dublin can kill you with 3/4 moves.

The high ball has its uses and you look you can always get a break from it, but Dublin have well test driven and dealing with a few Garryowen's strategies over the years.

I think and hope this could be a massively intense match if Cavan tackle like they did yesterday, the Dubs will bring the same, could be a ding dong.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3649 - 23/11/2020 13:55:18    2313967

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Neither of the two semis would sell out if things were normal, you'd be lucky to have 60k at each game."
Would totally disagree with that, i think both would be close to sell outs.

The two best supported counties in Ireland.

Against two teams who haven't been in All Ireland Semi finals in decades.

Sell outs, easy.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3649 - 23/11/2020 14:00:59    2313977

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Neither of the two semis would sell out if things were normal, you'd be lucky to have 60k at each game."
Cavan would bring huge numbers, absolutely massive. That semi would be a guaranteed sell out, without a doubt.

The other one maybe not a sellout but a good 60k.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1115 - 23/11/2020 14:10:32    2313989

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "Ye definitly have closed minds of why recent successes has been largly benefited from huge funds from Croke park. Which no other county can avail of. HUGE support resources. Hence the SemiPro tag. I couldnt give a ***** if you come from ballygobackwards. Hows that for open mindedness? But sure it the mighty Dubs. All is well."
And I couldn't give a ***** that you don't give a ***** if I come from Hackballscross. Dublin footballers are amateurs and you know it.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1311 - 23/11/2020 14:11:26    2313991

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "I'm on record as saying on this forum in recent weeks that Cavan have a formidable high ball game. We beat Down by sending in garryowens (sorry for the rugby terminology but you get what I'm saying) on top of their full back line (our penalty and a Tom Galligan mark are just two example that come to mind so that's 1-01 from the high ball).

Again, against Donegal, Madden's goal came from a high ball in on top of Patton and McGee that they fluffed. And Galligan picked up a scrap from a Donegal error and slotted one over. Again, another 1-01 from the high ball. There are more examples, but these just spring to mind.

The point I'm making is that we're not going to beat Dublin by running the ball into shooting positions. Dublin are too fast and strong to let you do that.

What I'd love to see is our lads sending high balls in on top of Madden and Galligan because we absoutely have the ability to cause Fitzsimons and those fellas big big problems if we do it.

I don't understand why other teams don't do this more often in fact. A 50/50 ball makes a 50/50 game."
Peter Keane thought the same thing before the replay last year.

It is long thought to be Dublin's Achilles heel.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13136 - 23/11/2020 14:18:17    2314004

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Would totally disagree with that, i think both would be close to sell outs.

The two best supported counties in Ireland.

Against two teams who haven't been in All Ireland Semi finals in decades.

Sell outs, easy."
Cavan and Dubs would be a sell out. Tipp and Mayo nó i would say. Tipp is hurling foremost and football a very poor second. Tipp v Mayo played in semi a few years ago and did nt sell out.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 574 - 23/11/2020 14:27:44    2314013

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I think if this was a normal year it would go close to selling out.

Cavan coming down to Croker for the first time in 23 years as Ulster Champions. They'd empty the county for it.

Dubs would come out in force too, a lot of Dubs with Cavan connections knocking about, meaning it'd go very close to selling out.

I think the only semi-final that Dublin played in over the last couple of years not to go near selling out was the Galway one in 2018 at which there were maybe 4/5 thousand from Galway only. In fairness they were coming off a very disappointing performance against Monaghan the week before and had the All-Ireland hurling final the week later.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13136 - 23/11/2020 14:28:23    2314014

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Replying To avonali:  "And I couldn't give a ***** that you don't give a ***** if I come from Hackballscross. Dublin footballers are amateurs and you know it."
So now I know your point lol How open minded of me. Amateurs with professional background teams paid by Croke Park. By any chance are you a Trump supporter?

HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 91 - 23/11/2020 15:40:21    2314071

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I think if this was a normal year it would go close to selling out.

Cavan coming down to Croker for the first time in 23 years as Ulster Champions. They'd empty the county for it.

Dubs would come out in force too, a lot of Dubs with Cavan connections knocking about, meaning it'd go very close to selling out.

I think the only semi-final that Dublin played in over the last couple of years not to go near selling out was the Galway one in 2018 at which there were maybe 4/5 thousand from Galway only. In fairness they were coming off a very disappointing performance against Monaghan the week before and had the All-Ireland hurling final the week later."
I agree Dublin and Cavan would be a sell out but although Mayo are the best supporters in the country Tipp are mainly into hurling. In 2016 Tipp and Mayo semi had about 53 000 at it and don't forget there was a minor game beforehand. Because of covid we are all mad for canes but money a big factor too. As you mentioned about Galway Mesamis I was at that game and was actually talking to a Galway couple at it with two kids. They were saying they could nt afford to go to every game between petrol feeding the kids etc. It cost them 200e to go to the game without buying a pint. Seldom is wonderful but for dual counties its very hard on supporters.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 574 - 23/11/2020 16:20:32    2314105

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Peter Keane thought the same thing before the replay last year.

It is long thought to be Dublin's Achilles heel."
It is an achilles heal for any team if you have strong men at FF with good hands. Which we do in the form of Galligan and Madden. It has worked thus far in every game for us, so I'd love to see us intensify it against your lads, drop bombs on that FB line and fight for every scrap and break. The problem is teams only do this for spells against Dublin and if it doesn't work out once or twice they revert to type. Stick with it and ask questions.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 404 - 23/11/2020 16:22:47    2314108

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Replying To TheUsername:  "There is some myth around Dublin and the high ball, im not sure where it came from i think Tyrone got joy out of it one league game and in my recollection that was the only time we struggled.

I've seen loads of counties try it, Galway with Comer, Donegal with Murphy, Tyrone with McShane, Kerry with Donaghy & Walsh, Mayo with O Shea, O Connor and Moran (to be fair Andy was great at winning his own ball). Nine times out of ten you are just giving Dublin back possession.

One of the maddest things i saw was the second final last year and Keane told Kerry to lump in the high ball for the first quarter, we gobble it up.

I think the problem with the high ball is you have to flood forward to support the second phase even if you win it, if you dont and break down you leave Dublin with pocession and acres of space. Dublin can kill you with 3/4 moves.

The high ball has its uses and you look you can always get a break from it, but Dublin have well test driven and dealing with a few Garryowen's strategies over the years.

I think and hope this could be a massively intense match if Cavan tackle like they did yesterday, the Dubs will bring the same, could be a ding dong."
It won't work if you haven't got the players to pull it off.

I'm saying we do, and I'm saying your fb line won't like it if we persist with it. There's no point in abandoning the tactic if Dublin mop it up once or twice. I'd like to see us do it for 70 minutes. Give your back line a creak in their necks from staring upwards and fight like hell for the scraps.

Not saying this is what we will do, but I think we should do it.

Running the ball against Dublin doesn't work, they're too athletic and strong.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 404 - 23/11/2020 16:26:21    2314110

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The aspect I greatly admire about Dublin is that they don't underestimate anyone,

Cavan will be seen as a stand alone game and nothing will be taken for granted.

They'll be absolute justified favourites but the focus will be on Cavan, nothing else and the fully warranted respect will be given to them.

You won't see Dublin looking too far ahead.

Cavan were very impressive against Donegal but need to come back down to earth now and focus on what's facing them.

The Meath game was very poor preparation for Dublin and Cavan have had all the proper test fitness in their legs, if they hit hard, battle for everything and get a bit of luck this should be Dublin's first meaningful challenge.

The extra week off might work better in Dublin's favour as it breaks up Cavan's superior big game momentum, so it's important for Cavan not to party much and really get into this challenge.

Because you can take it as a guarantee that Dublin's steely focus is now locked into the Cavan challenge ahead.

"Bring em on"

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20004 - 23/11/2020 16:53:09    2314135

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Replying To avonali:  "And I couldn't give a ***** that you don't give a ***** if I come from Hackballscross. Dublin footballers are amateurs and you know it."
You are wasting your time engaging with this, just dont reply.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4433 - 23/11/2020 18:54:28    2314202

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Boylesports have Dublin 1/100 and Cavan at 16/1 Dublin -13 is 10/11
they had us at 6/1 in the 2014 semi final, I had a nice few quid off them that day.
I've lost every bet with all these crazy results lately but 16/1 is some odds in a 3 horse race.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1067 - 23/11/2020 18:55:58    2314203

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Boylesports have Dublin 1/100 and Cavan at 16/1 Dublin -13 is 10/11
they had us at 6/1 in the 2014 semi final, I had a nice few quid off them that day.
I've lost every bet with all these crazy results lately but 16/1 is some odds in a 3 horse race."
20/1 on PP

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4122 - 23/11/2020 19:49:07    2314239

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