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Replying To KillingFields:  "What blog are you on about? Was it the website or just something in the forum as theyre not blogs...

Splitting Dublin shouldnt happen but if it was the only split that should ever happen is north/south based on the liffey.
Beyond admin of fees and few other admin areas most people dont really care/notice what local government area they are in. There would be no drive to support these areas etc which is huge part of the GAA."
A comment was brought up on a previous Hogan Stand forum topic that DLRD had 2 clubs and it was answered with posters who knew the area that they had far more (I don't really want to spend time reading over old comments on old topics to find this).
If the GAA go with splitting Dublin into north and south before any kind of identity is built up they will end up splitting again. When the GAA was formed Co. Dublin represented about 8% of the national population. Now, due to population growth the traditional Co. Dublin area represents about 20% of the national population.
Also in last 15 years the popularity of the GAA has hugely increased.
Ideally it would be nice not to split Dublin but it will be hard to ignore these statistics for much longer if Dublin continue to completely dominate.
I don't know all these areas very well but having lived in north co. Dublin and the city centre for a few years there is a very different feeling from north co. Dublin (Fingal) to Dun Laoghaire to the city centre. Give it a bit of time and an identity would build up for these teams. I have seen club mergers where people are well into supporting them. I have read that 3 of the main teams in Tralee came from one original club (Tralee Mitchels) which the Kerry co. board ordered to split. Each of these clubs developed their own identity.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 879 - 28/11/2020 21:05:55    2316308

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "A comment was brought up on a previous Hogan Stand forum topic that DLRD had 2 clubs and it was answered with posters who knew the area that they had far more (I don't really want to spend time reading over old comments on old topics to find this).
If the GAA go with splitting Dublin into north and south before any kind of identity is built up they will end up splitting again. When the GAA was formed Co. Dublin represented about 8% of the national population. Now, due to population growth the traditional Co. Dublin area represents about 20% of the national population.
Also in last 15 years the popularity of the GAA has hugely increased.
Ideally it would be nice not to split Dublin but it will be hard to ignore these statistics for much longer if Dublin continue to completely dominate.
I don't know all these areas very well but having lived in north co. Dublin and the city centre for a few years there is a very different feeling from north co. Dublin (Fingal) to Dun Laoghaire to the city centre. Give it a bit of time and an identity would build up for these teams. I have seen club mergers where people are well into supporting them. I have read that 3 of the main teams in Tralee came from one original club (Tralee Mitchels) which the Kerry co. board ordered to split. Each of these clubs developed their own identity."
An identity wouldn't build up and anyone who has lived in south Dublin will tell you that there is no more of a difference than between Ballyboden and Tallaght.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 263 - 28/11/2020 23:17:57    2316344

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The long term solution is mostly likely funding and help developing other counties in Leinster. The way Dublin where helped in 00's to ward off the advancing Rugby and Soccer in Dublin. The same approach might be taken for other Leinster counties other than Dublin, who are border line are close to self sufficient now.

But as a short term solution, what about sharing the love, and Dublin rotating for a 4 year period between provenience's ?

So move Dublin to Ulster next year, then Connaught, the following year Munster. the year after then back to Leinster.
For an experimental period 4 years ?

I think this might help Leinster teams to breath a bit. It would mean Leinster is not over before a ball is kicked. it would mean It would be toss of coin between 5 or 6 counties maybe more.

It would stop Dublin don't go ahead and canter to 19 out 20 Leinsters (while they still and wining a provincial title. And its not about stopping its about allowing for legitimate contest for Leinster teams.

For example Mickey Harte is the new Louth Manager. A Leinster without Dublin has Louth a realistic chance of winning the province ? Yes it possible, it could happen. It would allow for teams to aim for something.

And there is precedence for this Galway hurlers are allready in Leinster, And it has worked pretty well.

And its just something to try for a trial period of 4 years.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1221 - 06/12/2020 17:45:45    2319345

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Not necessarily, you be able to field 2nd and 3rd teams. Those sorts of teams can be very beneficial for providing pathways for players to progress to senior level or to get games at an appropriate level for them.

At juvenile level having more than 1 team at each age grade would be very useful. Pretty much every club can have an appropriate standard for each player. The cure way things are setup in can be the case that a player joins a club because of family ties but that club may not be good for their optimal development.

It could be a case that they're a small but strong club and the player isn't quite good enough to play at the level his club play at. It could be the case that the club isn't playing at a high enough level to push and develop the player.

Progression of a skill occurs right at the point where someone is at the limit of their capabilities. With bigger clubs there's more chance for everyone to find that point within the setup.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3135 - 27/11/2020 18:41:03
How many clubs only field 1 team at adult level now that by joining together they would have 2nds and 3rds.
Reducing number of clubs isnt needed. Join clubs to play senior grade to allow best players play at the highest level but allow clubs keep their own identity at lower grades.

The long term solution is mostly likely funding and help developing other counties in Leinster. The way Dublin where helped in 00's to ward off the advancing Rugby and Soccer in Dublin. The same approach might be taken for other Leinster counties other than Dublin, who are border line are close to self sufficient now.
But as a short term solution, what about sharing the love, and Dublin rotating for a 4 year period between provenience's?
So move Dublin to Ulster next year, then Connaught, the following year Munster. the year after then back to Leinster.
For an experimental period 4 years?
I think this might help Leinster teams to breath a bit. It would mean Leinster is not over before a ball is kicked. it would mean It would be toss of coin between 5 or 6 counties maybe more.
It would stop Dublin don't go ahead and canter to 19 out 20 Leinsters (while they still and wining a provincial title. And its not about stopping its about allowing for legitimate contest for Leinster teams.
For example Mickey Harte is the new Louth Manager. A Leinster without Dublin has Louth a realistic chance of winning the province ? Yes it possible, it could happen. It would allow for teams to aim for something.
And there is precedence for this Galway hurlers are allready in Leinster, And it has worked pretty well.
And its just something to try for a trial period of 4 years.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1203 - 06/12/2020 17:45:45
Just moving Dublin out of Leinster is missing the point. It would see a different winner of the leinster title but apart from that what else would it do. Leinster counties will still primarily be competing in division 3 and 4 of the national league.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 06/12/2020 19:27:20    2319426

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "The long term solution is mostly likely funding and help developing other counties in Leinster. The way Dublin where helped in 00's to ward off the advancing Rugby and Soccer in Dublin. The same approach might be taken for other Leinster counties other than Dublin, who are border line are close to self sufficient now.

But as a short term solution, what about sharing the love, and Dublin rotating for a 4 year period between provenience's ?

So move Dublin to Ulster next year, then Connaught, the following year Munster. the year after then back to Leinster.
For an experimental period 4 years ?

I think this might help Leinster teams to breath a bit. It would mean Leinster is not over before a ball is kicked. it would mean It would be toss of coin between 5 or 6 counties maybe more.

It would stop Dublin don't go ahead and canter to 19 out 20 Leinsters (while they still and wining a provincial title. And its not about stopping its about allowing for legitimate contest for Leinster teams.

For example Mickey Harte is the new Louth Manager. A Leinster without Dublin has Louth a realistic chance of winning the province ? Yes it possible, it could happen. It would allow for teams to aim for something.

And there is precedence for this Galway hurlers are allready in Leinster, And it has worked pretty well.

And its just something to try for a trial period of 4 years."
Wouldn't mind at all, they done it in hurling. Out of Ulster, Leinster could take Antrim and Fermanagh in return to help bring them on.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 558 - 06/12/2020 20:01:21    2319448

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "The long term solution is mostly likely funding and help developing other counties in Leinster. The way Dublin where helped in 00's to ward off the advancing Rugby and Soccer in Dublin. The same approach might be taken for other Leinster counties other than Dublin, who are border line are close to self sufficient now.

But as a short term solution, what about sharing the love, and Dublin rotating for a 4 year period between provenience's ?

So move Dublin to Ulster next year, then Connaught, the following year Munster. the year after then back to Leinster.
For an experimental period 4 years ?

I think this might help Leinster teams to breath a bit. It would mean Leinster is not over before a ball is kicked. it would mean It would be toss of coin between 5 or 6 counties maybe more.

It would stop Dublin don't go ahead and canter to 19 out 20 Leinsters (while they still and wining a provincial title. And its not about stopping its about allowing for legitimate contest for Leinster teams.

For example Mickey Harte is the new Louth Manager. A Leinster without Dublin has Louth a realistic chance of winning the province ? Yes it possible, it could happen. It would allow for teams to aim for something.

And there is precedence for this Galway hurlers are allready in Leinster, And it has worked pretty well.

And its just something to try for a trial period of 4 years."
Worst idea ever I heard sure rotate meath around the provinces too let the rest of us breath after all ya beat wicklow by 28 points and put 5 past kildare.. what ya want an easy leinster title with Dublin gone?

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 06/12/2020 20:14:36    2319456

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Worst idea ever I heard sure rotate meath around the provinces too let the rest of us breath after all ya beat wicklow by 28 points and put 5 past kildare.. what ya want an easy leinster title with Dublin gone?"
No irsihcelt absolutely not I understand your frustration. But meath Beating wicklow by such a margin is a freak result . Check recent meath v wicklow results they where close affairs.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1221 - 06/12/2020 21:34:39    2319517

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Worst idea ever I heard sure rotate meath around the provinces too let the rest of us breath after all ya beat wicklow by 28 points and put 5 past kildare.. what ya want an easy leinster title with Dublin gone?"
No irsihcelt absolutely not I understand your frustration. But meath Beating wicklow by such a margin is a freak result . Check recent meath v wicklow results they where close affairs.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1221 - 06/12/2020 21:34:45    2319518

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Wouldn't mind at all, they done it in hurling. Out of Ulster, Leinster could take Antrim and Fermanagh in return to help bring them on."
Grand one happy customer

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1221 - 06/12/2020 21:38:39    2319522

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Wouldn't mind at all, they done it in hurling. Out of Ulster, Leinster could take Antrim and Fermanagh in return to help bring them on."
Grand one happy customer

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1221 - 06/12/2020 21:38:44    2319523

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By the time the leinster championship kicks of in 2021 it will be 3 years since Dublin have conceded a goal in the leinster championship and that was against wicklow I'm proud to say let that sink in Haha

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 08/12/2020 03:29:52    2320080

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Merge with Munster championship- it's been a waste of time for 80 years

You could have a Dublin V Kerry provincial final every year with an odd cameo from Cork and Meath

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 820 - 09/12/2020 06:33:51    2320531

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Merge with Munster championship- it's been a waste of time for 80 years

You could have a Dublin V Kerry provincial final every year with an odd cameo from Cork and Meath"
Great idea

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2528 - 09/12/2020 09:48:54    2320555

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Merge with Munster championship- it's been a waste of time for 80 years

You could have a Dublin V Kerry provincial final every year with an odd cameo from Cork and Meath"
Did you miss the munster final this year

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1367 - 09/12/2020 12:07:18    2320603

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Did you miss the munster final this year"
Yes

Haven't watched a Munster final in 10 years

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 820 - 09/12/2020 22:01:04    2320883

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Merge with Munster championship- it's been a waste of time for 80 years

You could have a Dublin V Kerry provincial final every year with an odd cameo from Cork and Meath"
That's not too bad. With 3 Prov Champs, the bye could rotate.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1999 - 11/12/2020 19:23:17    2321431

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