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John small is criminally underrated in my opinion.Cant believe he doesnt have an allstar, as he is dublins best out and out defender for a while now
I think when you watch him live you get a greater appreciation, his speed and intensity are unreal, and he hits very hard every time

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 78 - 20/11/2020 14:30:13    2311710

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Replying To HuddHastings:  "John small is criminally underrated in my opinion.Cant believe he doesnt have an allstar, as he is dublins best out and out defender for a while now
I think when you watch him live you get a greater appreciation, his speed and intensity are unreal, and he hits very hard every time"
Agree with that. Also how donal keoghan hasn't a all star YET is a stain on that award.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17038 - 20/11/2020 14:40:33    2311714

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Agree with that. Also how donal keoghan hasn't a all star YET is a stain on that award."
Mainly because All-Stars are selected from the finalists each year and some from Semi Finals. That's always been the way really.

Lose on Sunday and he might not get one either.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3796 - 20/11/2020 14:51:17    2311718

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Replying To TheUsername:  "
Replying To bdbuddah:  "[quote=TheUsername:  "[quote=Crinigan:  "[quote=Dubsfan28:  ""Well they've the run of Croke by all accounts"

Did your mates 2nd cousin, who drank with a chap, who is a steward in Croker tell you that? ;)"
No but two coaches on opposition teams (Nally and Poacher) mentioned it in mainstream media as well as a former Wexford coach and at least one Westmeath player on Twitter in the last year.

Everyone also saw it with their own eyes last weekend when Dublin used Croke Park pitch as their personal training pitch after the match was over , which to be fair, it is at this stage. That doesn't make it right though."
I think its only fair its our home ground after all.

I wouldn't begrudge Meath doing similar in Navan."]People can play it down all they like but but even without supporters playing at home is still a huge advantage. Same routines before all games, less travel to the ground, used to the dimensions of the pitch, free takers familiar with surroundings etc.
This year, in the year of Covid and no capacity issues this game (& Dublin Laois game also) should have been played in a neutral venue."]Yep absolutely no beef there, id be on board with Dublin playing outside Croke Park more frequently, id go further, home away in Leinster, quarterfinal, semi finals, finals outside Croke Park id be a big fan of that.

But if people are saying one of Dublins home grounds is Croke Park and lets be honest it is, then i dont see the point of people getting their knickers in a twist about warm downs etc, i think its simple either accept its Dublin home ground and all that goes with that and have a crib, or it isnt and you are playing at neutral venue.

Doesnt make a material difference either way, it will still be in Dublin and there will always be a big blue wall on the Hill."]Well said Username. If Dublin want to warm down what's the problem. As for stewards not allowing other teams warm down I would guess that might be after the opening game and they trying to get pitch ready for next game. Dubs play in 2nd game so no prob after game. The losing team in 2nd game might not be bothered as they out of Regardless again it is not the Dublin teams fault Of course they will have a few perks here and there but don't we all at home. On the Dubs panel themselves though they are very grounded. I remember Éamonn Fitzmaurice said a few years ago after a drawn league game in Tralee v Dublin that was feisty Cluxton knocked on Kerry dressing room looking for a brush to clean up their own dressing room. Fitzmaurice told Cluxton that we have someone to do that but Cluxton said no that he l do it. It was their mess so they ll clean in up themselves. Now that's class.!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 688 - 20/11/2020 15:07:30    2311724

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "You're a bit all over the shop with this post and putting words in the mouth of Dub fans that I don't think are reflective of current thinking (in my opinion anyway):

But they have lost great defenders like Sullivan McMahon Brennan O Carroll McCaffrey

- Philly, ROC and Cian O'Sullivan (Cillian O'S plays for Meath) are still on the Dublin panel. Philly played against Laois last weekend. Their best days may be behind them but they're not write offs yet
- Brennan had value - he was tough, hard to get the ball off, positionally astute and had good distribution but was, for a while, considered a bit of a liability, hadn't great pace and I've never heard him described a great defender
- Jack McCaffrey - I'll give you JMC, he was / is quality

But for me they are no Tommy Drum.or kieth Barr or Paul Curran, Gerry Hargan or Paddy Christie or Cilliam Sullivan or Phily McMahon

- Keith Barr was a good player but not the best defender ever. His cavalier role in 1992 went a long way towards costing Dublin the All-Ireland
- Paddy was quality but had too many injuries to be considered "great"
- TD, PC and GH are all highly considered by Dubs (that I've talked to)

Im sure the Dubs will say Small.Muchian and McDaid are great defenders.

I've yet to hear a single Dub say anything of the sort.
- Small is very consistent and very good at nullifying an opponent but had / has his disciplinary issues and wouldn't be considered the most dynamic
- McDaid has only really got a slot in the starting line up this year and he's 26/27
- I've a lot of time for Murchan but he hasn't 100% nailed down a spot in the Dublin team, which would be one of the criteria for greatness. He's only 24, to be fair

I know Muchiam great attacking wing back. But as defenders for Me Philiy McMahon woule be much better defender.

Philly is 6'0 and a powerhouse, Murchan is 5'7 and a speedster. You're comparing chalk and cheese. However, I'm struggling to think of anyone who's gotten the better of Murchan when he's played in the championship

Your overall argument appears to pick Dublin's (and others') best (or most high profile) defenders from a previous era and compare them with the perceived weaker links in the current defence. No team has 6 defenders who will go down as "greats" at any one time and you can't make a valid conclusion from comparing the strongest you cherry pick from various eras with some relative newcomers."
You are correct. No team has 6 great defenders. I've seen some great man marking defenders and great defenders. There is a difference as before the blanket defense and sweepers man marking was so important. On Dublin backs in the past I would ve have had great time for Hargan Christie at fb. Barr was good too and maybe unfairly judged on 92. Same as Paul Curran who got run around by Mickey Linden in 94 but as a half back was excellent. On the Dub defense today. I would rate Cian Ó Sullivan Mick Fitz as brilliant defenders. Cooper very good but tends to foul too much. Jack Mac superb. David Byrne good Murchan very good. I think Small a good footballer but a bit of a liability. Philly s best days are gone but Jamsie MC is just the real deal. Roc excellent before his hiatus. So far I'm mpressed with McDaid.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 688 - 20/11/2020 15:53:26    2311744

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Replying To HuddHastings:  "John small is criminally underrated in my opinion.Cant believe he doesnt have an allstar, as he is dublins best out and out defender for a while now
I think when you watch him live you get a greater appreciation, his speed and intensity are unreal, and he hits very hard every time"
Completely agree and he will be there for a while..

In general its setup quite like the Donegal V Cavan game. Dublin and Donegal will need a lot of things to go wrong to go out of the championship. The biggest weapon they have is the bench cause they have numerous savage options if things need fixing.

The only possible leveller is winter football :)

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 449 - 20/11/2020 16:22:31    2311760

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Replying To daytona11:  "Mainly because All-Stars are selected from the finalists each year and some from Semi Finals. That's always been the way really.

Lose on Sunday and he might not get one either."
Has mainly been the way but many players were selected for All Stars from counties who never got close to an AI. The selection has always been a farce but it has risen to new levels in recent years with a full back position given to a player who never played in that position and another last year given to a player who plays as forward (given as a defender position). It appears by selection that there is not one good player in 26/27 counties in the last few years.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 20/11/2020 16:23:46    2311762

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "
Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "You're a bit all over the shop with this post and putting words in the mouth of Dub fans that I don't think are reflective of current thinking (in my opinion anyway):

But they have lost great defenders like Sullivan McMahon Brennan O Carroll McCaffrey

- Philly, ROC and Cian O'Sullivan (Cillian O'S plays for Meath) are still on the Dublin panel. Philly played against Laois last weekend. Their best days may be behind them but they're not write offs yet
- Brennan had value - he was tough, hard to get the ball off, positionally astute and had good distribution but was, for a while, considered a bit of a liability, hadn't great pace and I've never heard him described a great defender
- Jack McCaffrey - I'll give you JMC, he was / is quality

But for me they are no Tommy Drum.or kieth Barr or Paul Curran, Gerry Hargan or Paddy Christie or Cilliam Sullivan or Phily McMahon

- Keith Barr was a good player but not the best defender ever. His cavalier role in 1992 went a long way towards costing Dublin the All-Ireland
- Paddy was quality but had too many injuries to be considered "great"
- TD, PC and GH are all highly considered by Dubs (that I've talked to)

Im sure the Dubs will say Small.Muchian and McDaid are great defenders.

I've yet to hear a single Dub say anything of the sort.
- Small is very consistent and very good at nullifying an opponent but had / has his disciplinary issues and wouldn't be considered the most dynamic
- McDaid has only really got a slot in the starting line up this year and he's 26/27
- I've a lot of time for Murchan but he hasn't 100% nailed down a spot in the Dublin team, which would be one of the criteria for greatness. He's only 24, to be fair

I know Muchiam great attacking wing back. But as defenders for Me Philiy McMahon woule be much better defender.

Philly is 6'0 and a powerhouse, Murchan is 5'7 and a speedster. You're comparing chalk and cheese. However, I'm struggling to think of anyone who's gotten the better of Murchan when he's played in the championship

Your overall argument appears to pick Dublin's (and others') best (or most high profile) defenders from a previous era and compare them with the perceived weaker links in the current defence. No team has 6 defenders who will go down as "greats" at any one time and you can't make a valid conclusion from comparing the strongest you cherry pick from various eras with some relative newcomers."
You are correct. No team has 6 great defenders. I've seen some great man marking defenders and great defenders. There is a difference as before the blanket defense and sweepers man marking was so important. On Dublin backs in the past I would ve have had great time for Hargan Christie at fb. Barr was good too and maybe unfairly judged on 92. Same as Paul Curran who got run around by Mickey Linden in 94 but as a half back was excellent. On the Dub defense today. I would rate Cian Ó Sullivan Mick Fitz as brilliant defenders. Cooper very good but tends to foul too much. Jack Mac superb. David Byrne good Murchan very good. I think Small a good footballer but----. Philly s best days are gone but Jamsie MC is just the real deal. Roc excellent before his hiatus. So far I'm mpressed with McDaid."
That's a pretty fair analysis of the current Dublin defence. In fairness to PC, he was injured in the lead up to the 1994 final and should never have played. Mind you, Mickey Linden gave most opponents the run around. He was pure quality.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 550 - 20/11/2020 16:37:47    2311769

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "You're a bit all over the shop with this post and putting words in the mouth of Dub fans that I don't think are reflective of current thinking (in my opinion anyway):

But they have lost great defenders like Sullivan McMahon Brennan O Carroll McCaffrey

- Philly, ROC and Cian O'Sullivan (Cillian O'S plays for Meath) are still on the Dublin panel. Philly played against Laois last weekend. Their best days may be behind them but they're not write offs yet
- Brennan had value - he was tough, hard to get the ball off, positionally astute and had good distribution but was, for a while, considered a bit of a liability, hadn't great pace and I've never heard him described a great defender
- Jack McCaffrey - I'll give you JMC, he was / is quality

But for me they are no Tommy Drum.or kieth Barr or Paul Curran, Gerry Hargan or Paddy Christie or Cilliam Sullivan or Phily McMahon

- Keith Barr was a good player but not the best defender ever. His cavalier role in 1992 went a long way towards costing Dublin the All-Ireland
- Paddy was quality but had too many injuries to be considered "great"
- TD, PC and GH are all highly considered by Dubs (that I've talked to)

Im sure the Dubs will say Small.Muchian and McDaid are great defenders.

I've yet to hear a single Dub say anything of the sort.
- Small is very consistent and very good at nullifying an opponent but had / has his disciplinary issues and wouldn't be considered the most dynamic
- McDaid has only really got a slot in the starting line up this year and he's 26/27
- I've a lot of time for Murchan but he hasn't 100% nailed down a spot in the Dublin team, which would be one of the criteria for greatness. He's only 24, to be fair

I know Muchiam great attacking wing back. But as defenders for Me Philiy McMahon woule be much better defender.

Philly is 6'0 and a powerhouse, Murchan is 5'7 and a speedster. You're comparing chalk and cheese. However, I'm struggling to think of anyone who's gotten the better of Murchan when he's played in the championship

Your overall argument appears to pick Dublin's (and others') best (or most high profile) defenders from a previous era and compare them with the perceived weaker links in the current defence. No team has 6 defenders who will go down as "greats" at any one time and you can't make a valid conclusion from comparing the strongest you cherry pick from various eras with some relative newcomers."
I said I could be clutching at straws. I expected your comments. The Dublin defence had an aura about it in 2015 2016 2017 great great defenders. Your marking Phily McMahon the guy is a household name. Certain defenders had an aura Mick Lyons Niall Callahane Ciaran McGeeney. John Small is a good quality defender. But he is not at the level of Tommy Drumm Paul Curran James Mccarthy. He might become that level. But he is not as legendary and have the aura as Philiy McMahon. If your 19 and you were marking Phily McMahon in 2016 that was scary. John Small might become as great as McMahon but he doesnt have the aura. As I said maybe I am clutching straws. We have to believe there is a chance. Its highly unlikely. I think rationally we dont win. But emotions and passions and the rivalry of old I have to believe we have a chance. If I was outside Meath I would say we dont have a chance. No one gave Cork but because of the rivalry Cork stuck in and won. I know we could lose by 15. If I take emotional out of it, it looks like 8 to 12 point win for Dublin. But its no crime to believe in your county. Surely we are allowed to shout support and believe. Whats the point in turning up. So I an looking for some cinks in this Dublin machine. Maybe I am clutching at straws. Maybe Dessie Farrell Dublin is weaker then Galvins Dublin. Or maybe Dessie Farrell is Bob Paisley and Jim Galvin was Bill Shankley. Meaning Farrell will be more sucessful.

Regards great defences I can think of many great great defence with 5 or 6 great defenders. Take kerry defence of 00s. Compare it to now. Not one current kerry defender wud get on the team. 3 footballer of the year. Moyihan T O Se M O Se. Three incredible defenders. Two O Ses are two of the greatest defenders ever. Moyihan is the greatest defender I ever saw. Paul McGrath of gaelic football. Tom Sullivan excellent defender. So was Mike Mccarthy and was so Aidan O Mahoney. Brillant defenders. Dublin team defence that won 5 in a row with one of the greatest defences ever. Quality defenders like Cooper Firzimons Mcarthy O Carroll McMahon. Meath defence of 87 88. 2 footballers of the year. Michael O Muirtigh said footballer of tge year Robbie O Malley was the best corner back he ever saw player. Martin O Connell another footballler of the year, was voted greatest left half back of all time, only modern player on team of millenium. Mick lyons was the greatest full back of 80s and one of the great full backs of all time and the most legendary full back time. Liam Harnan was toughest Meath defender but brillant hard as nails defender who was rarely passed or bettered. Terry Ferguson was quality all star defender one of the best corner backs of his generation. Kevin Foley was quality defender also tough as nail and thd hardest working defender ever to play for Meath. I have never seen a player win so much breaking ball. Underated quality defender. Meath defence of 80s was one of the all time great defences.

Kerry defence of 70s 80s John O keefe is one of the greatest full backs of all time. Paudi O Se is one greatest defenders of all time. Jimmy Deenihan one of the great corner backs of his generation. Tadgh kennelly was for me greatest kerry centre back of the last 50 years along with Moyihnan
Tom Spillane was underated but was a top class great defender. Sean Walsh was a brillant full back. And I never mentioned Ger Lynch Mick Spillane Tommy Doyle quality defenders.

Dublin team of 70s. Sean Doherty is the toughest and hardest full back of the last 50 years. A great full back. Kevin Moran if he stayed would have become the reatest centre back ever to play the game. Tommy Drum was the classiest best Dublin defender ever until James Mccarthy. Pat O Neill was tough as nails, brillant defender. Kelleher was tight tough brillant corner. Tyrone team of 00s. Late Cormac McAllen was becoming one of the greatest players ever to play for Tyrone. Was a great defender. Ryan McMenanin another great defender. One of the great corner backs of the last 30 years. Harte Gormley Jordan is one of the greatest half back lines of the last 30 years. Jordan was class, Gormley was underated one of best centre backs of last 20 years. And Harte also underated at his peak best attacking number 5 in the country. There also other other legendary defences Offaly team of the early 70s led by Paddy McCormack considered to be toughest hardest and best defence ever to come of leinster by many. Won 2 Sams and hammered kerry in an All Ireland final. Kerry defence of 50s led by greatest number 5 ever Sean Murphy also is considered one of the all time great defences. Only for Meath beating them in 54 they would have won 4 in a row. They won Sam in 1952 1953 1955. Cavan team of 40s 50s had one great all time defences with great like Smyth, O Reilly and greatest Ulster defender ever possibly John Joe Reilly.

Dublin 2010s ( 1 footballer of the year)
James Mccarthy Cillian Sullivan Rory O Carroll Phily mcMahon Ger Brennan Jack Mccaffrey Johnny Cooper
Tyrone 00s
Cormac McAllen Ryan McNemin Philip Jordan Conor Gormley Davy Harte
Kerry 00s ( 3 footballers of the year Moynihan T O Se M O Se)
Seamus Moyihan Tomas O Se Marc O Se Tom Sullivan Mike Mccarthy Aiden O Mahoney
Meath 80s ( 2 Footballers of the year O Malley O Connell)
Mick lyons Martin O Connell Robbie O Malley Liam Harnan Terry Ferguson
Kerrys late 70s early 80s ( 1 Footballer of the year O Keefe)
John O Keefe Paudi O Se Tadgh Kennelly Jimmy Deenihan Tom Spillane Sean Walsh Ger Power ( Power was a wing back for while)
Dublin late 70s early 80s ( 1 Footballer of the year Drum)
Tommy Drum Sean Doherty Kevin Moran Pat O Neill Gerry Hargan Robbie kelleher

Just regards Keith Barr. Barr was a brillant defender. Yes in 92 the half back line attacked to much. But Barr was class. Tough skilful brillant defender. That half back line Curran Barr Heery is one the great half back lines of the last 30 year. Curran along with Drumm and Mcarthy are Dublins greatest ever defenders. Paul Curran was a class act of a defender he could do anything. And Eamon Heery very underated. Tough as nails. But brillant defender. Top class. I dont care anyone says Curran Barr and Heery would walk on to current Dublin team. That Dublin defence was brillant. Hargan only for Mick lyons would have best best full back in Ireland. And Mick kennedy to this day is the goughest corner back I ever saw. But also brillant natural defender. Its my just opinion. Im sure others have different opinions. Thats my last message for a while. Im sure many will be happy with that.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1046 - 20/11/2020 17:23:22    2311784

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "You are correct. No team has 6 great defenders. I've seen some great man marking defenders and great defenders. There is a difference as before the blanket defense and sweepers man marking was so important. On Dublin backs in the past I would ve have had great time for Hargan Christie at fb. Barr was good too and maybe unfairly judged on 92. Same as Paul Curran who got run around by Mickey Linden in 94 but as a half back was excellent. On the Dub defense today. I would rate Cian Ó Sullivan Mick Fitz as brilliant defenders. Cooper very good but tends to foul too much. Jack Mac superb. David Byrne good Murchan very good. I think Small a good footballer but----. Philly s best days are gone but Jamsie MC is just the real deal. Roc excellent before his hiatus. So far I'm mpressed with McDaid."
That's a pretty fair analysis of the current Dublin defence. In fairness to PC, he was injured in the lead up to the 1994 final and should never have played. Mind you, Mickey Linden gave most opponents the run around. He was pure quality."]Oh I did nt know that about PC Kurt and anyway half back was better suited to him rather than corner but for sure Mickey Linden was awesome and one of those players that were nearly unmarkable.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 688 - 20/11/2020 17:32:29    2311788

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In just over 24 hours the greatest team to ever play the game will be beat by a magnificent Meath team.
Well that's my belief anyway. :).
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17038 - 20/11/2020 17:52:00    2311794

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Very last post before I go I had to add this. What about great hurling defences with so many all time great defenderrz. My 6 fav hurling teams ever are Galway 87 88 Clare 95 97 Offaly 80s 90s kilkenny 00s Tipp 60s and 80s. So many great defenders.

Galway team of 80s. A great team. Joe Cooney is my fav hurler ever after Brian Whelan and Tommy Walah. Conor Hayes a colosus of a full back. Slyvie linnane is the toughest corner back in football or hurling ever. Also a great defender. Finnerty keady McIAlerney. Greatest half back line in hurling or football. Finnerty was tough but a force of nature. The late Tony keady was a magician with a stick, possibly Galways greatest ever hurler along with Canning, Cooney, Connonlly. McAlerney was a brillant swashbuckling wing back. My fav team ever outside Meath is Clare 95 97. Two lohans. Frank was a quality corner back. Brian Lohan was the best full back I ever saw. Seanie McMahon was one of the best centre backs I ever saw. A Daly was a real leader warrior and a modern day Ger loughnane. Loughnane was a great defender in his day. The underated Liam Doyle. Offaly teams 80s had toughest hurling defender I ever saw with Coughlans Delaney and Fluery. Offaly team of 90s had a great defence. Brian Whelan one of the greatest hurlers ever. Martin Hamny best man marker in the game. Kinihan was top class full back very underrated. Whelan Rigney Martin the most underated half back line ever class. The battles between Hubert Rigney and kilkennys John Power were unreal in the 90s. Tipp teams of 60s had great half backs like Wall and Gaynor. And of course hell kitchen thr greatest full back line ever in the gaa eg Doyle Carey Maher. John Doyle is hurlings greatest corner back. And of course the brillant Cork team of 00s. Diarmaid O Sullivan was a rock, was the rock, a great full back. Murphy and Sherlock were excellent corner backs. And of Curran Gardiner and O Alpin is one of the great half backs lines of last 30 year, all great defenders. And of course kilkenny team of 00s with Tyrell, Hogan, Tennyson, Kavanagh and the brillant Noel Hickey and two greatest defenders of the last 20 years JJ Delaney Tommy Walsh. I would add P Maher of Tipp to that list. But Tommy Walsh along with Brian Whelean are the two hurlers I admire most Two greatest defender in football or hurling.
My point is so many great hurling and football teams have so many great defenders and great defences. I find sometimes great defenders r underated dont get the same credit as forwards. And i was corner back myself so I got to stand up for all the great defenders. You cannot win in hurling or football multiple All Irelands without many many great defenders.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1046 - 20/11/2020 18:08:13    2311799

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Replying To royaldunne:  "In just over 24 hours the greatest team to ever play the game will be beat by a magnificent Meath team.
Well that's my belief anyway. :).
Hon the royal"
We will have to teach you to do a smiley face :)

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 20/11/2020 18:12:34    2311801

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Replying To royaldunne:  "In just over 24 hours the greatest team to ever play the game will be beat by a magnificent Meath team.
Well that's my belief anyway. :).
Hon the royal"
Best of luck to Meath I hope ye give them a run for their money this time, I haven't actually watched Dublin yet in the Championship, the last game I paid much attention to was their league game with Galway, are Dublin still as strong without Connolly and McCaffrey? 2 great players to lose even for this great Dublin team I think but I suppose they still have a very strong panel to pick from.
Looking forward to sitting down to watch this tomorrow evening, hope it's close and you never know in this strange year what can happen.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1087 - 20/11/2020 18:23:50    2311804

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Very last post before I go I had to add this. What about great hurling defences with so many all time great defenderrz. My 6 fav hurling teams ever are Galway 87 88 Clare 95 97 Offaly 80s 90s kilkenny 00s Tipp 60s and 80s. So many great defenders.

Galway team of 80s. A great team. Joe Cooney is my fav hurler ever after Brian Whelan and Tommy Walah. Conor Hayes a colosus of a full back. Slyvie linnane is the toughest corner back in football or hurling ever. Also a great defender. Finnerty keady McIAlerney. Greatest half back line in hurling or football. Finnerty was tough but a force of nature. The late Tony keady was a magician with a stick, possibly Galways greatest ever hurler along with Canning, Cooney, Connonlly. McAlerney was a brillant swashbuckling wing back. My fav team ever outside Meath is Clare 95 97. Two lohans. Frank was a quality corner back. Brian Lohan was the best full back I ever saw. Seanie McMahon was one of the best centre backs I ever saw. A Daly was a real leader warrior and a modern day Ger loughnane. Loughnane was a great defender in his day. The underated Liam Doyle. Offaly teams 80s had toughest hurling defender I ever saw with Coughlans Delaney and Fluery. Offaly team of 90s had a great defence. Brian Whelan one of the greatest hurlers ever. Martin Hamny best man marker in the game. Kinihan was top class full back very underrated. Whelan Rigney Martin the most underated half back line ever class. The battles between Hubert Rigney and kilkennys John Power were unreal in the 90s. Tipp teams of 60s had great half backs like Wall and Gaynor. And of course hell kitchen thr greatest full back line ever in the gaa eg Doyle Carey Maher. John Doyle is hurlings greatest corner back. And of course the brillant Cork team of 00s. Diarmaid O Sullivan was a rock, was the rock, a great full back. Murphy and Sherlock were excellent corner backs. And of Curran Gardiner and O Alpin is one of the great half backs lines of last 30 year, all great defenders. And of course kilkenny team of 00s with Tyrell, Hogan, Tennyson, Kavanagh and the brillant Noel Hickey and two greatest defenders of the last 20 years JJ Delaney Tommy Walsh. I would add P Maher of Tipp to that list. But Tommy Walsh along with Brian Whelean are the two hurlers I admire most Two greatest defender in football or hurling.
My point is so many great hurling and football teams have so many great defenders and great defences. I find sometimes great defenders r underated dont get the same credit as forwards. And i was corner back myself so I got to stand up for all the great defenders. You cannot win in hurling or football multiple All Irelands without many many great defenders."
We now have the tipp hurling team of the 60s making an appearance..on a football 2020 leinster Final thread ! I dont know whether to laugh or cry!
Im choosing to laugh hard..

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 20/11/2020 18:31:00    2311806

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Replying To royaldunne:  "In just over 24 hours the greatest team to ever play the game will be beat by a magnificent Meath team.
Well that's my belief anyway. :).
Hon the royal"
Hon the royals

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 461 - 20/11/2020 18:42:32    2311807

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Best of luck to Meath I hope ye give them a run for their money this time, I haven't actually watched Dublin yet in the Championship, the last game I paid much attention to was their league game with Galway, are Dublin still as strong without Connolly and McCaffrey? 2 great players to lose even for this great Dublin team I think but I suppose they still have a very strong panel to pick from.
Looking forward to sitting down to watch this tomorrow evening, hope it's close and you never know in this strange year what can happen."
Thanks tirchonaill already looking forward to an all Ireland semi final, probably against yourselves.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 461 - 20/11/2020 18:47:15    2311809

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Best of luck to Meath I hope ye give them a run for their money this time, I haven't actually watched Dublin yet in the Championship, the last game I paid much attention to was their league game with Galway, are Dublin still as strong without Connolly and McCaffrey? 2 great players to lose even for this great Dublin team I think but I suppose they still have a very strong panel to pick from.
Looking forward to sitting down to watch this tomorrow evening, hope it's close and you never know in this strange year what can happen."
McCaffrey is a huge loos to any team but Mucrhan is showing he could be as good in time.

Connolly didn't play a lot in the last few years so really isn't much of a loss.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3796 - 20/11/2020 19:10:37    2311813

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Thanks tirchonaill already looking forward to an all Ireland semi final, probably against yourselves."
Ye it'll be a tough game against Donegal, we owe them one ;-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8586 - 20/11/2020 19:25:11    2311818

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Best of luck to Meath I hope ye give them a run for their money this time, I haven't actually watched Dublin yet in the Championship, the last game I paid much attention to was their league game with Galway, are Dublin still as strong without Connolly and McCaffrey? 2 great players to lose even for this great Dublin team I think but I suppose they still have a very strong panel to pick from.
Looking forward to sitting down to watch this tomorrow evening, hope it's close and you never know in this strange year what can happen."
Yeah, never know. Strange year surely.Cavan will probably beat donegal.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 120 - 20/11/2020 20:27:00    2311833

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