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Replying To ecad123: "Ya can't understand why he did not let the game go on and then go back and give yellow to lawlor. He did not do anything not even the yellow. The rule should be applied. What they could do is if foul is committed then the forward can take all the steps he wants until the defender let's go then the normal rules apply in relation to steps. If no advantage then back for free after 5 seconds and give yellow card. If the defender does not let go and rugby tackles to the ground then straight red maybe even a penalty depending on location ie inside 21. But if Horgan applied the rules properly then Galway would have had the goal and lawlor would be on a yellow so he could not foul again. It just can't pay to foul." Agreed. There is no excuse now for a referee failing to give advantage to the attacker. He can allow five seconds and if no advantage accrues then he can call back the play, award the free and flash a card where appropriate. A similar blunder was made in last year's semi-final when Sean Cleere blew too quickly to give Seamus Callanan a free about two seconds before Jake Morris whipped the ball into the Wexford net. Luckily for Tipp, it didn't cost them the game but I think Fergal Horgan's early whistle certainly did Galway no favours last Saturday. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 541 - 18/11/2020 19:54:17 2311193 Link
Advantage should continue until the ball is cleared or the opposition gets it. It drives me MENTAL when referees blow it up, and it stops teams trying to score a goal if they have an overlap for example StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 18/11/2020 20:49:05 2311210 Link
Replying To ConnollyDub: "Well said. I have to be honest, I hate these comparisons to soccer players. Like wtf. Two completely different sports. It's like saying that goal Messi scored the weekend reminded me of Brian O Driscoll in his prime" And then I see Shefflin make the same comparison to Bergkamp on the Sunday Game! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 19/11/2020 12:27:39 2311374 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "And then I see Shefflin make the same comparison to Bergkamp on the Sunday Game!" And Harry Potter..... who didn't even play minor hurling. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2034 - 19/11/2020 12:44:07 2311378 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "And Harry Potter..... who didn't even play minor hurling." He probably could have been decent. He would have been the right type of fella to have in around the edge of the sqaure. You'd never know what he could conjour up. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 19/11/2020 13:34:16 2311398 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "Advantage should continue until the ball is cleared or the opposition gets it. It drives me MENTAL when referees blow it up, and it stops teams trying to score a goal if they have an overlap for example" Couldn't agree more, it's one of the most frustrating parts of our game that referees rarely play the advantage, not to mention the perpetrator pretty much getting off scot-free. Obviously this is not an issue for referees as Brian Gavin writing in the Examiner on Monday lauded Fergal Horgan for his performance on Saturday night, and never mentioned the Huw Lawlor incident. So high time the GAA instructed referees to play the advantage rule, and possibly the introduction of the black card/sin-bin in hurling. gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 19/11/2020 13:50:32 2311401 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "Couldn't agree more, it's one of the most frustrating parts of our game that referees rarely play the advantage, not to mention the perpetrator pretty much getting off scot-free. Obviously this is not an issue for referees as Brian Gavin writing in the Examiner on Monday lauded Fergal Horgan for his performance on Saturday night, and never mentioned the Huw Lawlor incident. So high time the GAA instructed referees to play the advantage rule, and possibly the introduction of the black card/sin-bin in hurling." I would agree. Do they use a certain time delay before they stop play ? If so it was short in this instance. Again you can learn from other sports. In hockey the ref puts his hand up for the foul but play continues until possession is lost or a score is got. Then when no advantage occurs the penalty starts from there. This increases the opportunity for the aggrieved team. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 19/11/2020 14:11:43 2311408 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "And then I see Shefflin make the same comparison to Bergkamp on the Sunday Game!" I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 19/11/2020 16:56:40 2311487 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "Couldn't agree more, it's one of the most frustrating parts of our game that referees rarely play the advantage, not to mention the perpetrator pretty much getting off scot-free. Obviously this is not an issue for referees as Brian Gavin writing in the Examiner on Monday lauded Fergal Horgan for his performance on Saturday night, and never mentioned the Huw Lawlor incident. So high time the GAA instructed referees to play the advantage rule, and possibly the introduction of the black card/sin-bin in hurling." Horgan made the right call on the burke incident, and when a player is in advantage and fouls the ball or overcarrys the ball it then becomes a free against him. Yes it is frustrating that you only get a split second to make a decision as a ref you only have one angle to view it from no slow motion. Just imagine burke having been fouled and then having a free against him for taking too many steps who would ye lynch then. SupermanSub (Galway) - Posts: 36 - 19/11/2020 19:57:12 2311537 Link
Richard Hogan is a class act. hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 19/11/2020 21:12:03 2311555 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link" The comparison with soccer makes no sense. Hogan's skills were honed on the hurling field and in the handball alley and had nothing to do with soccer. That goal had all the signs of a top class handballer and hurler. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 19/11/2020 21:48:01 2311565 Link
Replying To hamsterdean: "Richard Hogan is a class act." He surely is. Tough day out the last time he was in Croke Park for a final. Would hate to have seen that as his last day in Croke Park. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 19/11/2020 21:52:38 2311570 Link
I concur with that.A class hurler and a class individual. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 19/11/2020 22:40:16 2311584 Link
I see Joe Canning is just 40 points behind King Henry in the all time scoring championship record.Patrick Horgan a futher 32 points behind in 3rd place.Id say Joe might overtake henry next year if he plays on. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 19/11/2020 22:46:05 2311585 Link
Replying To baire: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link" The comparison with soccer makes no sense. Hogan's skills were honed on the hurling field and in the handball alley and had nothing to do with soccer. That goal had all the signs of a top class handballer and hurler." The comparison makes great sense. Bergkamp writes in his biography about hours every day as a kid and adult spent with just a ball against his wall at home, mastering the control of the ball with all the different spins and bounces, he was addicted to it . I am sure Hogan was the same with ball and wall in Kilkenny, the Ajax of Hurling. conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 19/11/2020 22:52:19 2311586 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link" You have the wrong Bergkamp goal there boss! Its the Newcastle goal he would have been talking about! Anyway as regards richies goal it is up there with the very best. In terms of skill leading to a goal i cant remember anything similar. The closest was Seamus Callanan's point when he was going for goal (40 secs in). https://youtu.be/rMazbxAdhCA John Troy got one against Antrim too that was sheer class tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/11/2020 22:56:53 2311588 Link
Replying To gatha: "He surely is. Tough day out the last time he was in Croke Park for a final. Would hate to have seen that as his last day in Croke Park." His goal is up there with the greatest ones. Paul Flynn's long distance dipping free to the top corner of the net was the nearest in late years. However I do remember Eddie Keher doing a solo run along the wing in Croke, cutting in, receiving a blow to the head that had the blood streaming out of him and burying the ball in the net. Ran back out to his position with no trying to get the corner back sent off even though he should have been. I was there and think it was 72 but could be wrong. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 20/11/2020 00:12:03 2311595 Link
Replying To baire: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link" The comparison with soccer makes no sense. Hogan's skills were honed on the hurling field and in the handball alley and had nothing to do with soccer. That goal had all the signs of a top class handballer and hurler." I just watched Bergkamp's goal and I immediately saw the similarities. Of course they are two completely different sports so the specific skills they used are very different, but the obvious comparisons are the ones that Baire pointed out - one touch to instantly bring the ball under control, a second to flick it past the opponent and then the quick finish. And all done so fast that you don't really appreciate how brilliant it was until you watch the replay. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 20/11/2020 01:48:13 2311603 Link
Replying To SupermanSub: "Horgan made the right call on the burke incident, and when a player is in advantage and fouls the ball or overcarrys the ball it then becomes a free against him. Yes it is frustrating that you only get a split second to make a decision as a ref you only have one angle to view it from no slow motion. Just imagine burke having been fouled and then having a free against him for taking too many steps who would ye lynch then." He did not make the right call he should have let the play go, give the advantage and then give lawlor a ticking afterwards. Watch the Shane o Donnell goal v Galway in 2018 replay, when burke held him, he allowed more steps then the goal came out of it and he then went back to book him. Same ref. ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 20/11/2020 09:13:44 2311611 Link
Replying To tiobraid: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I can understand the comparison. Bergkamp's goal, like Hogan's, was a piece of sublime skill. They were also very similar in execution. Three touches, one to control, the next to beat your man, the final one to score. All done in the wink of an eye. Bergkamp using his right foot, Hogan his hurley. Bergkamp's goal from the 1998 World Cup: link Hogan's goal from last Saturday: link" You have the wrong Bergkamp goal there boss! Its the Newcastle goal he would have been talking about! Anyway as regards richies goal it is up there with the very best. In terms of skill leading to a goal i cant remember anything similar. The closest was Seamus Callanan's point when he was going for goal (40 secs in). https://youtu.be/rMazbxAdhCA John Troy got one against Antrim too that was sheer class" You're right. The Newcastle goal is the one. link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 20/11/2020 09:35:46 2311616 Link