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Replying To brisbane:  "Good man yourself derailing the chat from duff to immigration. maybe if you spent less school hours online getting triggered you would not be running around 3 provinces. Set up another discussion if you want and stop derailing this GAA one."
Running around schools triggered lol.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 19:39:05    2527768

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You seem to be arguing against my post, but whether you realise it or not, you're actually backing it up.

In general, GAA clubs - even those in cities - were able through their own hard work over the years to put themselves in position to apply for Sports Capital Grants, and to put together strong enough applications to be awarded those grants.

In general, soccer clubs didn't do nearly so well, and that's what falls at their own door.

And yes, I know there are lots of other sports and other sporting organisations, but still, when the soccer community refers to "other sports getting more money", it's usually a fairly safe bet that they're referring to gaelic games more than anything else."
To imply gaa clubs put in hard work and clubs from 9ther sports didnt is nonsense

Ajd soccer clubs dont primarily or anyrhing near blame gaa more thaj other sports

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 23/02/2024 22:50:55    2527791

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Replying To KillingFields:  "To imply gaa clubs put in hard work and clubs from 9ther sports didnt is nonsense

Ajd soccer clubs dont primarily or anyrhing near blame gaa more thaj other sports"
Soccer crowd are always whinging about the "Gah getting everything"

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1950 - 24/02/2024 11:52:15    2527833

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Replying To KillingFields:  "To imply gaa clubs put in hard work and clubs from 9ther sports didnt is nonsense

Ajd soccer clubs dont primarily or anyrhing near blame gaa more thaj other sports"
Meant to reply to this the other day.

I neither said nor implied that other sports didn't put in hard work over the years. I simply pointed out that generally speaking, their work didn't get them to the stage where they'd qualify for Sports Capital Grants in the way that so many branches of the GAA have managed.

And if you really think that large portions of the soccer community don't have the GAA foremost in their minds when they complain about "other sports getting more than us", well then, things must be very different where you live than they are in most of the country.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/02/2024 00:04:25    2528161

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Meant to reply to this the other day.

I neither said nor implied that other sports didn't put in hard work over the years. I simply pointed out that generally speaking, their work didn't get them to the stage where they'd qualify for Sports Capital Grants in the way that so many branches of the GAA have managed.

And if you really think that large portions of the soccer community don't have the GAA foremost in their minds when they complain about "other sports getting more than us", well then, things must be very different where you live than they are in most of the country."
In Dublin too. Always whinging about how the "gah" is keeping back the Tan football.

They hate us, and I for one and many Dub Gaels are glad to reciprocate. Love seeing their team being beaten, although that's long ceased to be any sort of a novelty :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 26/02/2024 00:33:30    2528164

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Meant to reply to this the other day.

I neither said nor implied that other sports didn't put in hard work over the years. I simply pointed out that generally speaking, their work didn't get them to the stage where they'd qualify for Sports Capital Grants in the way that so many branches of the GAA have managed.

And if you really think that large portions of the soccer community don't have the GAA foremost in their minds when they complain about "other sports getting more than us", well then, things must be very different where you live than they are in most of the country."
Any sports in particular? You have to own grounds or have long term lease kn land to do developmwnt work under sports capital grants. Many sports clubs dojt have that. Gaa were lucky in lots of country to get given land etc. Mant other sports not that lucky...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 26/02/2024 07:38:12    2528180

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Any sports in particular? You have to own grounds or have long term lease kn land to do developmwnt work under sports capital grants. Many sports clubs dojt have that. Gaa were lucky in lots of country to get given land etc. Mant other sports not that lucky..."
Wow.

You claimed in a previous post that I'd implied that other sports clubs had never done any hard work to develop their grounds and facilities.

But now you're not only implying, but actually stating, that in many cases the achievements of GAA people in doing so was down to just "luck" as much as or even more than the work they put in.

I'd consider that insulting to all the people who put in that work.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/02/2024 13:18:12    2528320

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Wow.

You claimed in a previous post that I'd implied that other sports clubs had never done any hard work to develop their grounds and facilities.

But now you're not only implying, but actually stating, that in many cases the achievements of GAA people in doing so was down to just "luck" as much as or even more than the work they put in.

I'd consider that insulting to all the people who put in that work."
Im saying gaa were lucky to have access to tge land. Not that they didnt work hard for it and im saying it not to dismiss the gaa. I would and do say it about many rugby clubs as well. Lucky they got access to land in many areas but many other sports clubs set up far later than many gaa or rugby clubs have it much harder to access and pay for land to develop facilities and by not owning land or have long term leases on land they find it impossible to get capital grants for facilites.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 26/02/2024 13:24:55    2528325

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Im saying gaa were lucky to have access to tge land. Not that they didnt work hard for it and im saying it not to dismiss the gaa. I would and do say it about many rugby clubs as well. Lucky they got access to land in many areas but many other sports clubs set up far later than many gaa or rugby clubs have it much harder to access and pay for land to develop facilities and by not owning land or have long term leases on land they find it impossible to get capital grants for facilites."
You first said GAA were lucky to get given land, not lucky to have access to it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. Going by this and your input on at least one thread, you seem to have a bit of an anti-GAA agenda of your own.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/02/2024 14:18:44    2528354

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You first said GAA were lucky to get given land, not lucky to have access to it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. Going by this and your input on at least one thread, you seem to have a bit of an anti-GAA agenda of your own."
Edit to above: I meant to say at least one other thread. But I've made my point anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/02/2024 16:29:17    2528396

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You first said GAA were lucky to get given land, not lucky to have access to it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. Going by this and your input on at least one thread, you seem to have a bit of an anti-GAA agenda of your own."
Hahaha if i had an anti gaa agenda i wouldnt be a member of my club, have worked in my club. Bother my hole on this site.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 26/02/2024 17:26:23    2528422

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Replying To KillingFields:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "You first said GAA were lucky to get given land, not lucky to have access to it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. Going by this and your input on at least one thread, you seem to have a bit of an anti-GAA agenda of your own."
Hahaha if i had an anti gaa agenda i wouldnt be a member of my club, have worked in my club. Bother my hole on this site."
Every club, my own included, has a certain number of people who do a certain amount of work for the club, but who still frequently give out about the GAA in general.

Basically, having a pro-GAA agenda in one way doesn't stop a person from having an anti-GAA agenda in another, and I think you're quite possibly one of those who has a bit of both.

Good night.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/02/2024 23:15:39    2528518

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "You first said GAA were lucky to get given land, not lucky to have access to it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. Going by this and your input on at least one thread, you seem to have a bit of an anti-GAA agenda of your own."
Hahaha if i had an anti gaa agenda i wouldnt be a member of my club, have worked in my club. Bother my hole on this site."
Every club, my own included, has a certain number of people who do a certain amount of work for the club, but who still frequently give out about the GAA in general.

Basically, having a pro-GAA agenda in one way doesn't stop a person from having an anti-GAA agenda in another, and I think you're quite possibly one of those who has a bit of both.

Good night."]If i had such an anti gaa agenda i wouldnt actively choose to use this site to the frequency i do
Being critical of some aspects of the gaa doesnt mean i am anti gaa.
I am very critical of some things in rugby and wouldnt and couldnt be considered anti rugby...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 27/02/2024 10:10:43    2528555

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In Waterford we tend not to crow as much about our legacy of pride in all sports with a special allegiance to gaelic games. Last week we celebrated Thomas Francis Meagher day. He flew the tri-colour at Wolf Tone house on the quay a whopping 176 years ago. We all know the meaning of that flag and though some inclusiveness still to be done its symbolism is strong. Our neighbours have responsibility for it not reaching a higher platoon. We ourselves have a certain amount of responsibility with intransigence towards our Northern brothers and sisters. The GAA is and can be a beacon of light. Inclusiveness is the only way.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 04/03/2024 19:34:51    2529818

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Replying To Canuck:  "In Waterford we tend not to crow as much about our legacy of pride in all sports with a special allegiance to gaelic games. Last week we celebrated Thomas Francis Meagher day. He flew the tri-colour at Wolf Tone house on the quay a whopping 176 years ago. We all know the meaning of that flag and though some inclusiveness still to be done its symbolism is strong. Our neighbours have responsibility for it not reaching a higher platoon. We ourselves have a certain amount of responsibility with intransigence towards our Northern brothers and sisters. The GAA is and can be a beacon of light. Inclusiveness is the only way."
I was watched the Andrew Trimble program the other day and what was interesting was that there is also a story that TFM wanted to go even further in that reconciliation spirit and would have had a red hand in the middle of the tricolour and another flag that was Green/Orange/Blue which the Blue representing those of Scottish heritage. It make sense as the Orange represented those who supported the Protestant King but it must be remembered that he was Church or England/Established Church and most of the Protestants in NI were non conformists and still are today.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 05/03/2024 01:40:52    2529867

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Im saying gaa were lucky to have access to tge land. Not that they didnt work hard for it and im saying it not to dismiss the gaa. I would and do say it about many rugby clubs as well. Lucky they got access to land in many areas but many other sports clubs set up far later than many gaa or rugby clubs have it much harder to access and pay for land to develop facilities and by not owning land or have long term leases on land they find it impossible to get capital grants for facilites."
You make you own luck, it's not the fault of the GAA that it's members were on the ball and are more astute at creating the facilities needed for their members. There's also a thing called inflation.... the cost of facilities are always relative to a time... just because same appear to cost less now doesn't mean they were easier to obtain financially. Try develop a GAA club in Dublin and you'll see how much it costs... how much it costs to build anything in 2024.... other clubs are hardly in a unique suitation. Anyhow... what's your real point? A bit of the green eye monster is it?

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1023 - 05/03/2024 08:16:51    2529875

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Replying To Square_B:  "You make you own luck, it's not the fault of the GAA that it's members were on the ball and are more astute at creating the facilities needed for their members. There's also a thing called inflation.... the cost of facilities are always relative to a time... just because same appear to cost less now doesn't mean they were easier to obtain financially. Try develop a GAA club in Dublin and you'll see how much it costs... how much it costs to build anything in 2024.... other clubs are hardly in a unique suitation. Anyhow... what's your real point? A bit of the green eye monster is it?"
Its not that their members were on the ball but many clubs in gaa and rugby founded at times when land prices werent nwar what they are now
Costs are relative to the time to an extent but its nowhere near as simple as saying gaa or rugby were more astute than people from other bodies.

Im not jealous at all. If you cant grasp my op than i dont think i can spell it out more clearly. Up to you to figure it out. If you can.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 05/03/2024 09:21:03    2529879

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its not that their members were on the ball but many clubs in gaa and rugby founded at times when land prices werent nwar what they are now
Costs are relative to the time to an extent but its nowhere near as simple as saying gaa or rugby were more astute than people from other bodies.

Im not jealous at all. If you cant grasp my op than i dont think i can spell it out more clearly. Up to you to figure it out. If you can."
No one can grasp your OP as it's pure nonsensical. The price of land was always prohibitive particularly in cities but not prohibitive in relation to the total cost of developing facilities. That's why there's no GAA club with their own facilities within the bounds of the North & South Circular Roads in Dublin. Lots of clubs got land for free from councils and other sources... lots had to purchase what they have at a cost (one I am aware of, Ballyboden St Enda's handed out 750k for 12 acres in the last 5 years). A club in Dublin I am aware of, has recently got land for free from a developer on the provisio that it's used as playing pitches for a GAA club. They will still have to spend at least a million to lay pitches on it and raise the money to do it like lots of clubs have to do up and down the country.

In short, so what? Any of the newer, progressive clubs I am aware of in Dublin will get the land they need eventually, might not be where they started out but they will get what they need. Land is still a small cost compared to the actual cost of developing grounds, proper facilities etc and the cost of keeping them maintained and so forth.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1023 - 05/03/2024 11:55:41    2529912

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Replying To zinny:  "I was watched the Andrew Trimble program the other day and what was interesting was that there is also a story that TFM wanted to go even further in that reconciliation spirit and would have had a red hand in the middle of the tricolour and another flag that was Green/Orange/Blue which the Blue representing those of Scottish heritage. It make sense as the Orange represented those who supported the Protestant King but it must be remembered that he was Church or England/Established Church and most of the Protestants in NI were non conformists and still are today."
Don't get the red hand in the middle. The white signifies peace between both. Maybe a two hand shake or fist pump. (joking). Or taking out the white and making it green and orange.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 06/03/2024 15:19:40    2530089

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Replying To Canuck:  "Don't get the red hand in the middle. The white signifies peace between both. Maybe a two hand shake or fist pump. (joking). Or taking out the white and making it green and orange."
It might have been a nod to the Ulster Scots but the irony is even today the red hand predates their arrival and I believe it was mention of the use of it by King James in their coat of arms that gave the attachment to it. The original use of the flag is gone now anyway and if there ever were to be unity a flag should represent the different traditions and the point that came out in the program was that its an Ulster Scots tradition. They may be politically unionist but that doesn't define their tradition.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 08/03/2024 04:33:24    2530252

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