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McStay: Loss of elite status for inter-county GAA was "inevitable" ( February 13, 2021)

New Zealand became one of the first countries to welcome back fans to sporting events this weekend. New Zealand was able to do so because of its success in eradicating the coronavirus. ( Jun 14, 2020 )

Its pretty obvious why Mcstay gets so much air time on RTE.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 523 - 13/02/2021 21:24:42    2331302

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Replying To brisbane:  "McStay: Loss of elite status for inter-county GAA was "inevitable" ( February 13, 2021)

New Zealand became one of the first countries to welcome back fans to sporting events this weekend. New Zealand was able to do so because of its success in eradicating the coronavirus. ( Jun 14, 2020 )

Its pretty obvious why Mcstay gets so much air time on RTE."
I heard McStay and thought he was perfectly reasonable. The numbers are too high at the moment. Health comes first.
Also we're amateur when it suits us, then elite another day.
Hopefully things will improve.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 557 - 14/02/2021 08:33:39    2331322

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Replying To gahfan:  "I heard McStay and thought he was perfectly reasonable. The numbers are too high at the moment. Health comes first.
Also we're amateur when it suits us, then elite another day.
Hopefully things will improve."
Do we need to point out to Kevin that we are not making comparisons with golf but team sports like soccer and rugby. Pity so many GAA people are conformists.

Kem (Armagh) - Posts: 5 - 14/02/2021 14:34:01    2331339

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Replying To gahfan:  "I heard McStay and thought he was perfectly reasonable. The numbers are too high at the moment. Health comes first.
Also we're amateur when it suits us, then elite another day.
Hopefully things will improve."
The Irish women's international rugby team live and work in the community. They are an amateur panel of players. They are looked upon as being elite athletes. Why? They are to travel to play in both France and Wales. The Wales game takes place on the 10th of April. There are very few full time clubs currently playing in the LOI. Most teams are either part time or fully amateur yet they are granted elite status. Did Kevin McStay highlight these glaring inconsistencies in the granting of elite status? Consistency of application is all people are asking for. It is not apparent at the moment.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5410 - 14/02/2021 15:18:49    2331342

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Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1312 - 14/02/2021 16:00:25    2331347

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
I'm watching the rugby right now and the Irish penalty taker, whatever his name is, missed an attempt in the first half that I think I would have put over.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 471 - 14/02/2021 16:37:21    2331350

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
And just now, on 70 minutes, the ball is dropping, an Irish player waits, unchallenged, ready to collect it, yet he still ends up fumbling it, spends the next few seconds chasing after it like Ricky balboa chasing after the chicken.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 471 - 14/02/2021 16:41:35    2331351

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
There are more footballers in Ireland than rugby players.
Its more difficult to become Irelands best footballer than it is to become Irelands best Rugby player.
Elite is a vague term.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 471 - 14/02/2021 16:47:45    2331353

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
Then why are you on GAA website commenting on GAA issues if it's so terrible. Go and get a life and look up something that you like.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 483 - 14/02/2021 16:52:53    2331354

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
What did ye think of that Mick? Best thing your beloved Irish rugby could do would be to pull out of the rest of the 6 Nations and pretend it was for the greater health of the nation before they finish with wooden spoon.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 554 - 14/02/2021 17:09:29    2331358

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
Go sling your troll's hook somewhere else mick.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5410 - 14/02/2021 17:11:54    2331359

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Replying To Greengrass:  "The Irish women's international rugby team live and work in the community. They are an amateur panel of players. They are looked upon as being elite athletes. Why? They are to travel to play in both France and Wales. The Wales game takes place on the 10th of April. There are very few full time clubs currently playing in the LOI. Most teams are either part time or fully amateur yet they are granted elite status. Did Kevin McStay highlight these glaring inconsistencies in the granting of elite status? Consistency of application is all people are asking for. It is not apparent at the moment."
in 2 months time. a lot can change before that maybe takes place.
Theyre being treated as elite athletes because sporting bodies deem they are.
There are very few clubs as a whole who are full time but many players are full time for the season and its primarily in the off season that theyre taking up other work which means on paper theyre not full time but in season theyre full time athletes.

Its completely different to the GAA.
There is many of the womens players who through the 7s set up are full time professional athletes or they work part time as development officers maybe 25 hours a week max and then are full time athletes beyond that

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2276 - 14/02/2021 17:17:12    2331360

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Nobody should be surprised by McStay comments as his analysis of games (something that he should know about) is at the same level as a poorly trained parrot. I was watching the 'professional' game today and was wondering if mistakes like not being able to throw the ball 2m accurately makes a game professional, or even being able to kick a penalty which would have been enough to win the match- even Killingsfield would have been able put it over the bar, assuming that he is as good at the free kicks as he is at posting!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2238 - 14/02/2021 17:27:43    2331361

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Replying To updwell:  "Then why are you on GAA website commenting on GAA issues if it's so terrible. Go and get a life and look up something that you like."
I have over 1600 posts on this so I'm no troll

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1312 - 14/02/2021 19:39:43    2331370

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Replying To KillingFields:  "in 2 months time. a lot can change before that maybe takes place.
Theyre being treated as elite athletes because sporting bodies deem they are.
There are very few clubs as a whole who are full time but many players are full time for the season and its primarily in the off season that theyre taking up other work which means on paper theyre not full time but in season theyre full time athletes.

Its completely different to the GAA.
There is many of the womens players who through the 7s set up are full time professional athletes or they work part time as development officers maybe 25 hours a week max and then are full time athletes beyond that"
Thanks for that killingFields. The most salient point you make is that, "They're being treated as elite athletes because sporting bodies deem they are." That is it in a nutshell. What people are looking for however is an equitable application of the definition of an elite athlete. The government speak about professional sports. The LOI is not a fully professional league. There are very few full time professional clubs. Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers are full time clubs. Sligo Rovers were and may still be. You make the point that other clubs pay full time wages for the duration of the season. I agree with you when you say that those clubs should be considered to be fully professional when the season is ongoing. There are clubs killingfields who are only part time during the season and there are also clubs who are fully amateur. Those players are holding down jobs during the season. None of the clubsfull time or part time operate the bubble system. Last year I checked the Irish international ladies rugby team. Only a small number of the squad were full time sevens players. The rest were either students or were working in the community. Some were treachery and others were healthcare professionals. I agree that things can change before April 10th but the fact is that the squad is training collectively now. You spoke about the sevens players being development officers. That also entails working in the community. I don't want as far as is possible to see anyone prevented from playing their sport. God knows both the participants and the supporters need sport. Live sport in the last three months of 2020 was a lifeline. I loved watching the rugby, The LOI and the championships. It did wonders for an awful lot of people. As I said earlier I don't believe the definition of elite sport has been equitably applied here.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5410 - 14/02/2021 19:58:20    2331374

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "I have over 1600 posts on this so I'm no troll"
You obviously don't like the GAA so why are you on a GAA website? Trolling maybe? I think rugby is the most overrated , over hyped borefest soulless game imaginable but I couldn't be bothered going on a rugby fan forum trolling.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 483 - 14/02/2021 20:17:34    2331376

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "I have over 1600 posts on this so I'm no troll"
Let us hope for your sake that counting never becomes elite! 1264 is not over 1600...

LaLu (Louth) - Posts: 216 - 14/02/2021 20:47:43    2331380

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "I have over 1600 posts on this so I'm no troll"
Let us hope for your sake that counting never becomes elite. 1264 posts is not over 1600...

LaLu (Louth) - Posts: 216 - 14/02/2021 20:52:45    2331381

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Replying To LaLu:  "Let us hope for your sake that counting never becomes elite. 1264 posts is not over 1600..."
Brilliant. Lol.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5410 - 14/02/2021 22:18:35    2331396

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "Fair play to the government for finally realising that the backward gaa is not elite. How can it compare to a professional game like rugby. Its been put in its place"
So you're not a fan of GAA? Yet here you are on this forum, lockdown is really getting to some peoples heads.

Justlooking123 (UK) - Posts: 11 - 15/02/2021 09:40:14    2331410

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